ANY JS7 News?

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Edited Date/Time 11/7/2014 12:52pm
Been too busy to check in much lately. Is Bubba cleared to race SX or will Mookie be the only Stewart on the gate at A1?
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11/6/2014 4:20pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2014 4:21pm
Dont worry, you havent missed anything. There will be 6 topics per page until A1 on how he should or should not have been let race once the information comes out Grinning
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11/6/2014 7:22pm
Alvear999 wrote:
Dont worry, you havent missed anything. There will be 6 topics per page until A1 on how he should or should not have been let race...
Dont worry, you havent missed anything. There will be 6 topics per page until A1 on how he should or should not have been let race once the information comes out Grinning
Stamp It...
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With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
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Yes just in! He is a bad ass!

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11/6/2014 9:05pm
JeepnMike wrote:
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe...
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
Malcolm to back up James?

Other than being brothers, just don't see those two in the same zipcode..
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11/6/2014 9:05pm
I`ve said it multiple times here- I`ll be surprised if the verdict is out before New Years. I hope it is, but usually it takes 8 month or more for a verdict to come out and that`s when you`re not fighting it. James does, so it might take even more time.
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11/6/2014 9:11pm
JeepnMike wrote:
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe...
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
Outsider wrote:
Malcolm to back up James?

Other than being brothers, just don't see those two in the same zipcode..
I read it here man.. It has to be true Laughing Actually, more often than not those kind of rumors spilled here end up being true.. Most of the time to my dismay.
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11/6/2014 11:26pm
kongols wrote:
I`ve said it multiple times here- I`ll be surprised if the verdict is out before New Years. I hope it is, but usually it takes 8...
I`ve said it multiple times here- I`ll be surprised if the verdict is out before New Years. I hope it is, but usually it takes 8 month or more for a verdict to come out and that`s when you`re not fighting it. James does, so it might take even more time.
We will hear something before then.

I have a feeling we will hear something before christmas.
11/6/2014 11:28pm
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
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TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
Santa is checking his list twice, and rumour has it that James is on the naughty list TWICE this year. I'd say he has no hope of receiving his Turbo Man.

As for A1, I'm sure he'll be there otherwise the R-word will come lashing out.
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11/7/2014 4:14am
TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
FIM International Disciplinary Court
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11/7/2014 4:41am
And then an appeal by WADA at the CAS if they don't agree with the FIM penalty. Seeing as all the leaks a cpl of weeks ago suggested he'd been granted an Adderall TUE and was cleared to race, I would think its highly likely that WADA will appeal if he escapes a ban. In that case he'd be allowed to race now, but would face another hearing and a ban in about 9 months to a year. If that happens and WADA were to win, he'd be stripped of all points earned in the 2015 season.
We heard from some kind of reliable source that he had the hearing with the FIM a couple of weeks ago. I find it strange that none of the moto journalists are following this up to find out what the outcome was? Even if its just to say 'we contacted JS and he refused to comment'..
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11/7/2014 4:56am
Feld should penalize the FIM
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11/7/2014 5:13am
TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty.
The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle the implementation of the tests as well as the penalties.
The appeal was held in Switzerland, which is home to the WADA, a couple of weeks ago.

Although unprecedented in our sport if you look to the NFL...which has a similar # of games has SX has races...a similar situation would yield a 4 game suspension.
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11/7/2014 5:53am
TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
NeKawBoy wrote:
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty. The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle...
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty.
The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle the implementation of the tests as well as the penalties.
The appeal was held in Switzerland, which is home to the WADA, a couple of weeks ago.

Although unprecedented in our sport if you look to the NFL...which has a similar # of games has SX has races...a similar situation would yield a 4 game suspension.
You are wrong.
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11/7/2014 5:58am
TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
NeKawBoy wrote:
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty. The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle...
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty.
The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle the implementation of the tests as well as the penalties.
The appeal was held in Switzerland, which is home to the WADA, a couple of weeks ago.

Although unprecedented in our sport if you look to the NFL...which has a similar # of games has SX has races...a similar situation would yield a 4 game suspension.
kongols wrote:
You are wrong.
Which part?
I have no inside information...I've just put bits and pieces together from what I've heard and read.
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11/7/2014 6:03am
NeKawBoy wrote:
Which part?
I have no inside information...I've just put bits and pieces together from what I've heard and read.
WADA only does testing. FIM International Disciplinary Court gives out penalties.
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11/7/2014 6:04am
Fraser wrote:
And then an appeal by WADA at the CAS if they don't agree with the FIM penalty. Seeing as all the leaks a cpl of weeks...
And then an appeal by WADA at the CAS if they don't agree with the FIM penalty. Seeing as all the leaks a cpl of weeks ago suggested he'd been granted an Adderall TUE and was cleared to race, I would think its highly likely that WADA will appeal if he escapes a ban. In that case he'd be allowed to race now, but would face another hearing and a ban in about 9 months to a year. If that happens and WADA were to win, he'd be stripped of all points earned in the 2015 season.
We heard from some kind of reliable source that he had the hearing with the FIM a couple of weeks ago. I find it strange that none of the moto journalists are following this up to find out what the outcome was? Even if its just to say 'we contacted JS and he refused to comment'..
JS7 mentioned in an interview that he hasn't said anything due to either a gag order or advice from his attorney.
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11/7/2014 6:12am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2014 6:13am
14.4.1 Neither the FIM nor a CONU nor an FMN shall publicly
identify a Rider whose Sample has resulted in Adverse Analytical
Findings, or who is alleged to have violated other Articles of
these Anti-Doping Rules, until the Rider has been duly notified
in accordance with article 7.1.3 or it has been determined in a
hearing in accordance with Article 8 that an anti-doping rule violation
has occurred, or such hearing has been waived, or the assertion of
an anti-doping rule violation has not been timely challenged or the
Rider has been Provisionally Suspended. Once a violation of these
Anti-Doping Rules has been established, it shall be publicly reported
within 20 days. The FIM or the CONU or the FMN must also report
within 20 days appeal decisions on an anti-doping rule violation. The
FIM or its FMN shall also, within the time period for publication, send
all hearing and appeal decisions to WADA.

14.4.2 In any case where it is determined, after a hearing or
appeal, that the Rider or other Person did not commit an anti-doping
rule violation, the decision may be disclosed publicly only with the
consent of the Rider or other Person who is the subject of the decision.
FIM or its FMN shall use reasonable efforts to obtain such consent,
and if consent is obtained, shall publicly disclose the decision in its
entirety or in such redacted form as the Rider or other Person may
approve.
14.4.3 Neither the FIM nor its CONUs or FMNs, nor the WADA
accredited laboratory, nor any official of either, shall publicly comment
on the specific facts of a pending case (as opposed to general
description of process and science) except in response to public
comments attributed to the Rider, other Person or their representatives.




This will prolong decision for a couple of month
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11/7/2014 6:15am
RedBull, Suzuki, Feld and, fans vs WADA = Who's idea was it to have drug testing in the first place?
If James gets suspended or banned or, punished in any way other than a monetary fine,,,,,, I'll be shocked if he isn't on the gate at A1.
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Fraser wrote:
And then an appeal by WADA at the CAS if they don't agree with the FIM penalty. Seeing as all the leaks a cpl of weeks...
And then an appeal by WADA at the CAS if they don't agree with the FIM penalty. Seeing as all the leaks a cpl of weeks ago suggested he'd been granted an Adderall TUE and was cleared to race, I would think its highly likely that WADA will appeal if he escapes a ban. In that case he'd be allowed to race now, but would face another hearing and a ban in about 9 months to a year. If that happens and WADA were to win, he'd be stripped of all points earned in the 2015 season.
We heard from some kind of reliable source that he had the hearing with the FIM a couple of weeks ago. I find it strange that none of the moto journalists are following this up to find out what the outcome was? Even if its just to say 'we contacted JS and he refused to comment'..
IWreckALot wrote:
JS7 mentioned in an interview that he hasn't said anything due to either a gag order or advice from his attorney.
Thank you.

I doubt very seriously though, that James would be practicing like he has been if he didn't at least have very high expectations to be on the line at A1, or hasn't gotten an official word yet himself.
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11/7/2014 7:15am
TripleFive wrote:
Is it definitely the FIM that has the ultimate say on the penalty?
NeKawBoy wrote:
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty. The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle...
It is my understanding the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) will hand down the penalty.
The FIM hires the WADA as an impartial testing facility to handle the implementation of the tests as well as the penalties.
The appeal was held in Switzerland, which is home to the WADA, a couple of weeks ago.

Although unprecedented in our sport if you look to the NFL...which has a similar # of games has SX has races...a similar situation would yield a 4 game suspension.
"Although unprecedented in our sport if you look to the NFL...which has a similar # of games has SX has races...a similar situation would yield a 4 game suspension."

That punishment is handed down by the NFL, and is the result of collective bargaining between the players' association and ownership. JS7 doesn't have that protection.
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11/7/2014 7:18am
Jimmy will be ready.



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There's still no word from JS and there's still no statement on the FIM press release site. I think that means therefore that he's still suspended either pending another appeal after his original date with the FIM Disciplinary Court,or maybe his hearing is done and we're waiting on the final penalty to be decided. Either way there has to be some kind of statement and clarity soon surely
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11/7/2014 7:39am
JeepnMike wrote:
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe...
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be a possible fill in, has his own career & needs to take good opportunities when they come along.
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11/7/2014 7:48am
JeepnMike wrote:
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe...
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
Moto75 wrote:
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be...
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be a possible fill in, has his own career & needs to take good opportunities when they come along.
I forget who here said it... I don't care enough to go find the post. So you with your insider knowledge of the sport, are saying that BEFORE Malcom had a ride which is news 2 days ago, that it is totally unfathomable that Malcom could have been talked about as filling in for James if he was suspended?
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11/7/2014 7:53am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2014 8:40am
RedBull, Suzuki, Feld and, fans vs WADA = Who's idea was it to have drug testing in the first place? If James gets suspended or banned...
RedBull, Suzuki, Feld and, fans vs WADA = Who's idea was it to have drug testing in the first place?
If James gets suspended or banned or, punished in any way other than a monetary fine,,,,,, I'll be shocked if he isn't on the gate at A1.
It has been mentioned that ALL of the team managers wanted the drug testing, and are 100% behind it.............until one of their riders is in violation.


I don't see how any of this is good for the sport, a big fiasco for a prescription drug you can get an "okey dokey" for with a TUE.
11/7/2014 8:14am
JeepnMike wrote:
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe...
With James practicing and Malcom on a new team making it impossible for Malcom to be a backup at Yoshimura Suzuki, it would be a safe guess (IMO) that James will be cleared to race at A1.
Moto75 wrote:
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be...
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be a possible fill in, has his own career & needs to take good opportunities when they come along.
JeepnMike wrote:
I forget who here said it... I don't care enough to go find the post. So you with your insider knowledge of the sport, are saying...
I forget who here said it... I don't care enough to go find the post. So you with your insider knowledge of the sport, are saying that BEFORE Malcom had a ride which is news 2 days ago, that it is totally unfathomable that Malcom could have been talked about as filling in for James if he was suspended?
It's not unfathomable, just not rational. You should consider that SX testing has been going on for over a month already. The only thing James can do at this point is prepare as normal; it would be foolish if he didn't. It doesn't make any sense for two riders to be preparing for the same ride when one definitely has an offer to ride elsewhere.

As Moto75 said, Mookie has his own career; foregoing a TLD ride in favor being James' potential backup doesn't make any sense at all.
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11/7/2014 8:20am
Moto75 wrote:
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be...
LOL... Suzuki is used to being a one man team. Without JS, they would still have Bagget. Malcom wasn't getting paid to sit around & be a possible fill in, has his own career & needs to take good opportunities when they come along.
JeepnMike wrote:
I forget who here said it... I don't care enough to go find the post. So you with your insider knowledge of the sport, are saying...
I forget who here said it... I don't care enough to go find the post. So you with your insider knowledge of the sport, are saying that BEFORE Malcom had a ride which is news 2 days ago, that it is totally unfathomable that Malcom could have been talked about as filling in for James if he was suspended?
TripleFive wrote:
It's not [i]unfathomable[/i], just not rational. You should consider that SX testing has been going on for over a month already. The only thing James can...
It's not unfathomable, just not rational. You should consider that SX testing has been going on for over a month already. The only thing James can do at this point is prepare as normal; it would be foolish if he didn't. It doesn't make any sense for two riders to be preparing for the same ride when one definitely has an offer to ride elsewhere.

As Moto75 said, Mookie has his own career; foregoing a TLD ride in favor being James' potential backup doesn't make any sense at all.
Roczen going to Suzuki and not Kawasaki is irrational! Grinning

I never said anything about Mookie sitting there waiting to see what happens with James. All I said was backing up what was once already said here and that he could have been a potential fill-in assuming Mookie didn't get signed, and James was suspended. That is fathomable.

If we didn't speculate here, this place would be dry right?
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11/7/2014 8:46am
NeKawBoy wrote:
Which part?
I have no inside information...I've just put bits and pieces together from what I've heard and read.
kongols wrote:
WADA only does testing. FIM International Disciplinary Court gives out penalties.
YOU are wrong.

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