"We need more guns to make us safer"?

BigAl wrote:

300,000,000 people. There is going to be issues from time to time. There are a lot bigger problems in the country than gun violence, they just...

300,000,000 people. There is going to be issues from time to time.

There are a lot bigger problems in the country than gun violence, they just aren't sensationalized by the media

What problems o you feel née addresse?

88YZ125 wrote:

The problems that need addressing are gun violence in America. Why are our numbers so high comparative with other countries that have high gun ownership? There...

The problems that need addressing are gun violence in America. Why are our numbers so high comparative with other countries that have high gun ownership? There are countries that have higher gun-related violence, but when you look at many European countries and places like Canada it becomes evident that America has a problem. What is it about American society and culture that has produced these numbers?

A part of the problem is the liberal gun laws in America, which vary from state to state. Why, for example, are there states that do not require permits to purchase guns? Or, require registering guns? Why, for example, are there not magazine capacity limits on guns in certain states?

BigAl wrote:

Apparently you know little about firearms. First, the purchase of firearms is regulated by the federal government. State laws must meet or exceed the requirements set...

Apparently you know little about firearms.


First, the purchase of firearms is regulated by the federal government. State laws must meet or exceed the requirements set forth by the Feds. Pretty much all state laws are the same, except for some super liberal cities or areas. Lets see, New York, Philly, DC, Chicago all have the strictest gun laws in the USA. Your solution doesn't seem to work.

I'm not sure about other countries. I'd say North Korea, china, Russia, other socialist Utopias have better statistics maybe. Stupid constitution, what's it good for.

You are not going to change "gun violence". If you break down gun violence, you would not like what you see. I'll leave that alone.

Magazine capacities. Code talk for assault rifle ban. 3 ten round magazines vs a 30 round? Maybe we could sell beer in 2 packs and it would cut down drunk driving....

BigAl wrote:

Apparently you know little about firearms. First, the purchase of firearms is regulated by the federal government. State laws must meet or exceed the requirements set...

Apparently you know little about firearms.


First, the purchase of firearms is regulated by the federal government. State laws must meet or exceed the requirements set forth by the Feds. Pretty much all state laws are the same, except for some super liberal cities or areas. Lets see, New York, Philly, DC, Chicago all have the strictest gun laws in the USA. Your solution doesn't seem to work.

I'm not sure about other countries. I'd say North Korea, china, Russia, other socialist Utopias have better statistics maybe. Stupid constitution, what's it good for.

You are not going to change "gun violence". If you break down gun violence, you would not like what you see. I'll leave that alone.

Magazine capacities. Code talk for assault rifle ban. 3 ten round magazines vs a 30 round? Maybe we could sell beer in 2 packs and it would cut down drunk driving....

88YZ125 wrote:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina...

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia. Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming are all states that either do not require a state permit or require gun registration. in most cases, it's both.

While the purchase of firearms is regulated by the federal government, state laws are independent of federal laws, and "this does not confer any de jure immunity against prosecution for violations of the federal laws. However, state and local police departments are not legally obligated to enforce federal gun law as per the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Printz v. United States."

State laws do vary and are very much not the same from state to state: "State level laws vary significantly in their form, content, and level of restriction. Forty-four states have a provision in their state constitutions similar to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The exceptions are California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York. In New York, however, the statutory civil rights laws contain a provision virtually identical to the Second Amendment. Additionally, the Supreme Court of the United States has held that the protections of the Second Amendment apply against state governments and their political subdivisions (such as in McDonald v. Chicago)."

hvaughn88 wrote:

Toasters don't plug themselves in, "load" the toast by themselves, and then push down the button by themselves.

88YZ125 wrote:

Of course not, toasters are the mechanism for toasting toast. Likewise, guns are the mechanism for killing people.

domoguchi wrote:

I have owned. Guns my whole life and never killed anyone with them. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Don't blame the forks because your...

I have owned. Guns my whole life and never killed anyone with them. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Don't blame the forks because your fat.. If people used their own brain for its intended purpose and stopped to think things through they would be far less inclined to post bullshit stats that makes look uneducated.....my guns will never leave my hands, I maintain the god given right to protect my family and property...the swedes can kiss my god loving, gun toting American Ass !

88YZ125 wrote:

If guns don't kill people, people kill people, does that mean that toasters don't toast, toast; toast, toasts, toast? Of course guns kill people, and America...

If guns don't kill people, people kill people, does that mean that toasters don't toast, toast; toast, toasts, toast?

Of course guns kill people, and America has a problem with gun violence which needs to be addressed.

newmann wrote:

My son, I and the neighbor went and burned through about 600 rounds of ammo today with nine different guns, both handguns and rifles and not...

My son, I and the neighbor went and burned through about 600 rounds of ammo today with nine different guns, both handguns and rifles and not a single person or animal were killed or injured. Well, I did get a Glock slide across the top of my thumb and bled a little...

domoguchi wrote:

No, I doesn't mean that at all however we have established you're a fucking idiot ...

newmann wrote:

As are hatchets, hammers, knives, swords, baseball bats, rope, pills, heroin, fireplace pokers.....

newmann wrote:

As are hatchets, hammers, knives, swords, baseball bats, rope, pills, heroin, fireplace pokers.....

88YZ125 wrote:

The difference being that in the majority of killings, it's a firearm that is used, not a fireplace. The issue is on gun-violence that is taking...

The difference being that in the majority of killings, it's a firearm that is used, not a fireplace. The issue is on gun-violence that is taking, on average, about 88 deaths a day in the U.S. How many people die a die from swords?

domoguchi wrote:

No, I doesn't mean that at all however we have established you're a fucking idiot ...

88YZ125 wrote:

Thanks for the kind words. However, there is a problem with gun violence since there are on average about 88 deaths per day in the U.S...

Thanks for the kind words. However, there is a problem with gun violence since there are on average about 88 deaths per day in the U.S. that are the result of firearms.

newmann wrote:

As are hatchets, hammers, knives, swords, baseball bats, rope, pills, heroin, fireplace pokers.....

88YZ125 wrote:

The difference being that in the majority of killings, it's a firearm that is used, not a fireplace. The issue is on gun-violence that is taking...

The difference being that in the majority of killings, it's a firearm that is used, not a fireplace. The issue is on gun-violence that is taking, on average, about 88 deaths a day in the U.S. How many people die a die from swords?

domoguchi wrote:

Great weapon....nice..

BigAl wrote:

More people killed by hammers/clubs each year than rifles

88YZ125 wrote:

No, more people [url=http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/02/paul_broun_says_hammers_and_baseball_bats_kill_more_people_than_guns_is.html]are not [/url] killed by hammers and clubs than by [url=http://fusion.net/story/3991/no-hammers-dont-kill-more-people-than-guns/]firearms[/url] This isn't a discussion only about rifles, it's about gun violence on...

No, more people are not killed by hammers and clubs than by firearms This isn't a discussion only about rifles, it's about gun violence on the whole and America has a problem on that front.


I'm not against gun ownership and I agree that the problem is much deeper than changing current gun laws. However, tightening up on gun laws has been shown to lower gun related violence.

Skippie wrote:

Because NY and Chicago are known for their low gun violence.

88YZ125 wrote:

Of course not, toasters are the mechanism for toasting toast. Likewise, guns are the mechanism for killing people.

88YZ125 wrote:

You can't say that tighter gun laws are not working in places like Chicago and NY since there may very well be much higher rates without...

You can't say that tighter gun laws are not working in places like Chicago and NY since there may very well be much higher rates without the restrictions. Besides, where are the guns coming from:

It is true that Chicago, a city which has very strict gun laws, also has a high level of gun violence. However, the case of Chicago does not support the claim that restrictive gun laws are ineffective. Instead, it shows the need for more widespread laws. People who want guns can simply go outside of Chicago, obtain them with ease, and bring them back into the city. Consider the fact that between 2008 and 2012, Chicago police recovered 1,375 guns that were used in criminal activities. Almost 20% of these guns came from a single store, Chuck’s Gun Shop, located a few miles outside of the Chicago city limits in Riverdale, Illinois. Strict gun laws in one city will be ineffective if the laws of the state in which that city is located are lax, as is the case in Illinois.

Third, the data show that strict gun laws reduce violent crime. For example, there is a correlation between restrictive laws and lower homicide rates with and without firearms, both within the United States and internationally. Moreover, a recent study published in the Southern Medical Journal found that the presence of a gun in a home is twelve times more likely to lead to the death of a member of the household or a visitor than an intruder.

hvaughn88 wrote:

Toasters don't plug themselves in, "load" the toast by themselves, and then push down the button by themselves.

88YZ125 wrote:

Of course not, toasters are the mechanism for toasting toast. Likewise, guns are the mechanism for killing people.

hvaughn88 wrote:

Right...but what's your point? That's like saying cars get speeding tickets, not drivers.

motoracer633 wrote:

And now we have the bogus 'obama is letting the UN take your guns' meme trolling around facebook and stoking fear in people who don't have...

And now we have the bogus 'obama is letting the UN take your guns' meme trolling around facebook and stoking fear in people who don't have any idea what it is they are proposing. It doesn't apply to the US. What is wrong with background checks? I don't think guns themselves are the problem, IMO it's almost all gang culture, but making it harder for straw buyer's would help in my opinion.
It seems to me that the fear mongering by pro-gun groups doesn't help educate their base. The left has their own crazies and the moderates and normal gun owners are stuck in the middle.

motoracer633 wrote:

And now we have the bogus 'obama is letting the UN take your guns' meme trolling around facebook and stoking fear in people who don't have...

And now we have the bogus 'obama is letting the UN take your guns' meme trolling around facebook and stoking fear in people who don't have any idea what it is they are proposing. It doesn't apply to the US. What is wrong with background checks? I don't think guns themselves are the problem, IMO it's almost all gang culture, but making it harder for straw buyer's would help in my opinion.
It seems to me that the fear mongering by pro-gun groups doesn't help educate their base. The left has their own crazies and the moderates and normal gun owners are stuck in the middle.

motoracer633 wrote:

From what i understood, you can buy or easily buy a gun at a gun show and get around some of it or get someone to...

From what i understood, you can buy or easily buy a gun at a gun show and get around some of it or get someone to buy it for you. Or take the transaction to the parking lot? I would just like to tighten up on the ways people unlike yourself get weapons. Law abiding people aren't who needs to be regulated. Obviously you know more about the process than i do.