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8/10/2014 10:12am
hillbilly wrote:
After seeing the vid it wasnt stewarts fault.

Guy was wearing black,Stewart was right behind that other car.

I doubt he ever saw him.

APLMAN99 wrote:
So when you said he should go to prison, you had him convicted without knowing jack shit about it? Sounds legit...... This is definitely a tragedy...
So when you said he should go to prison, you had him convicted without knowing jack shit about it? Sounds legit......


This is definitely a tragedy. Stewart isn't going to get much benefit of the doubt from those that already don't like him but it doesn't take much effort to realize that the visibility probably contributed greatly to this ending this way. The 45 car nearly clipped the kid, most likely shielding him from being seen by the cars behind at the same time. Add to that some dirt on your face shield, some glare from the lights, and the dark race suit and helmet and you have a pretty bad situation all the way around.
You really are a fucking idiot sometimes.

Re read, 2 versions i knew,ONE of those he should go to prison.
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8/10/2014 10:12am
If any charges are made, Tony's history of heated episodes will hurt his defense.

Did Tony even cause the crash? Did he put his front wheel to Ward's rear and push him to the wall??
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8/10/2014 10:18am
TripleFive wrote:
"Nobody, not fans, spectators, or media knows what happened. Only Tony knows" -Kasey Kahne
There is go pro type footage,from Stewart's car,well,he carries one says a crew member.

That would tell a lot more.
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8/10/2014 10:40am
TripleFive wrote:
"Nobody, not fans, spectators, or media knows what happened. Only Tony knows" -Kasey Kahne
hillbilly wrote:
There is go pro type footage,from Stewart's car,well,he carries one says a crew member.

That would tell a lot more.
Hey Hillbilly you got a straight thinking head. this video is slightly better & different.

have your volume up @ regular speed. this one is right from Yahoo news, I don't know if it was doctored or what???

this is some serious shit here. TONY CLEARLY

blips the throttle in this one, then clips him with right rear. why is this different?


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8/10/2014 10:56am
Same vid
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8/10/2014 11:10am
Old-Man wrote:
Same vid
can't hear Tony in first video rev over him. this one Tony's car revs... doctored sound???
first one, looks like maybe not Tony's fault.

this one directly above looks like manslaughter. impact is different with volume up @ normal speed
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8/10/2014 11:37am
Tragic ACCIDENT is what that is all around. A person is dead and no matter what, Tony will be scared by this. It's times like this where you see just how truly ignorant a lot of people are. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. With how often a person get's out of their race car and goes after and or attacks a moving vehicle that can kill them if struck. So anyone that say's Tony went back down into that turn to deliver the kill shot is a moron. And no matter what he did, I'm comfortable with he didn't mean to hurt or kill him.

It was a racing situation that happens way way to often in motor sports and last night it got someone killed.

Shame on racing for not stopping this outdated act/practice of aggressive retaliation during an actual event.
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Tragic ACCIDENT is what that is all around. A person is dead and no matter what, Tony will be scared by this. It's times like this...
Tragic ACCIDENT is what that is all around. A person is dead and no matter what, Tony will be scared by this. It's times like this where you see just how truly ignorant a lot of people are. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. With how often a person get's out of their race car and goes after and or attacks a moving vehicle that can kill them if struck. So anyone that say's Tony went back down into that turn to deliver the kill shot is a moron. And no matter what he did, I'm comfortable with he didn't mean to hurt or kill him.

It was a racing situation that happens way way to often in motor sports and last night it got someone killed.

Shame on racing for not stopping this outdated act/practice of aggressive retaliation during an actual event.
Best Post in this tragic thread.
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8/10/2014 12:32pm
TripleFive wrote:
"Nobody, not fans, spectators, or media knows what happened. Only Tony knows" -Kasey Kahne
hillbilly wrote:
There is go pro type footage,from Stewart's car,well,he carries one says a crew member.

That would tell a lot more.
h&m_cycle wrote:
Hey Hillbilly you got a straight thinking head. this video is slightly better & different. have your volume up @ regular speed. this one is right...
Hey Hillbilly you got a straight thinking head. this video is slightly better & different.

have your volume up @ regular speed. this one is right from Yahoo news, I don't know if it was doctored or what???

this is some serious shit here. TONY CLEARLY

blips the throttle in this one, then clips him with right rear. why is this different?


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I hear that sound,man,i aint sure.

A go pro would settle it ,if he turned right and tried to roost him I'd think it would be trouble for Tony.

Last nite I read 90 minutes or so of tweets and posts coming from there.

Some folks were in a vantage point that made them say he turned right . Ever tweet said he did it on purpose.

No vid did i see till this morning. But, even knowing Tony is a hothead I just dont see why he would be mad for what i saw there.

If there was history and the go pro goes missing then that would not be good.

Plus,

They just had a hell o crash at the Glen,dodged another death. Nascar in damage control over Newman's remarks about barriers.
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8/10/2014 12:37pm
I wonder if they have radio recorded
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8/10/2014 12:41pm
I wonder if they have radio recorded
No radios in those cars.

May have made the difference.
8/10/2014 12:42pm
As to the young man getting hit, I can't really tell what happened so I'll keep silent on that. Tragic all the way around. I'm wondering about the original hit where Stewart wrecked him. That just looked like racing to me, but I know nothing about sprint cars. Can anyone elaborate as to why the guy got so angry?
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When you are in the drivers seat sometimes it looks worse the. It does from the outside, it was not that bad from that view but tony did not leave him a heap of room,

Getting out and trying to yell at someone from the high side is not that wise,

Rip fellow racer ,
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8/10/2014 1:08pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 1:11pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
Hey Hillbilly you got a straight thinking head. this video is slightly better & different. have your volume up @ regular speed. this one is right...
Hey Hillbilly you got a straight thinking head. this video is slightly better & different.

have your volume up @ regular speed. this one is right from Yahoo news, I don't know if it was doctored or what???

this is some serious shit here. TONY CLEARLY

blips the throttle in this one, then clips him with right rear. why is this different?


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That's the same video I've seen everywhere else and how do you know that blip of the car came from Tonys car? Just because it's the car on screen doesn't mean it's picking up the sound from his car. I'm interested in hearing Bobby's take on this.
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8/10/2014 1:31pm
Driven a midget not a winged sprint ,
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Yep , for sure , just unbelievable how quick they react
8/10/2014 1:43pm
Keep in mind, that sound of a car throttling up is not necessarily from Tony's car. The vide was shot from across the track - could have easily been from a much closer car.
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I think a lot of you guys who are making opinions haven't been around Sprint Car Racing all that much. I have been to several races and know a lot of local drivers. In my opinion, it is by far the most exciting form of racing besides motocross. I was actually at Knoxville last night and heard about this incident on my way home.

First off, you need to understand how much different those cars are than any other form of racing. Your view to the side is very minimal and your view to the rear is nonexistent. The majority of their steering comes from the rear tires by way of throttle control.

The initial contact is something that happens quite often. When drivers go inside, they always fade wide on the exit of the turn unless they know there is someone beside them. Kevin was trying to make the pass on Tony around the outside and got squeezed out, possibly intentionally, but most likely unintentionally.

At this point, I understand the anger. You're a 20 year old most likely doing this on your own dollar and a millionaire ends your night. I think most people would be pretty pissed off about that.

That being said, you NEVER run out into the middle of the track to show your anger while the cars are in motion. While under yellow, those cars are still going between 40 and 60 MPH depending on the track. Visibility in sprint cars is far from great, as I said above. Kevin was in a black suit with a black car behind him on a dirt track. Also remember the car in front of Tony narrowly avoided Kevin, giving Tony even less time to spot him and react. He would have been VERY hard to see.

I watched the video a million times and here is my opinion on the whole incident. Stewart did rev his engine right before he hit the guy, which could have been a message to Kevin, but most likely it was an attempt to move away from him. Right when Tony revved it, his back end slid out a little bit, most likely steering to avoid Kevin, which was at the exact moment he took another step forward toward Tony's car. Neither one anticipated the other to move at all, and since they both did, that's what caused the contact and eventual death. When contact was made, it forced Tony's car to pull right, which would look terrible to anyone not familiar with Sprint Car Racing.

In the video, it does appear Tony is traveling a little faster than the car in front of him. This is most likely due to the attempt to avoid him by turning left. Unfortunately, the camera moves right when we needed it to be still, so it can't be clear exactly what happened. This whole novel of a post is just my opinion, but I hope it cleared some things up. I know Tony would never do it on purpose. It's a really sad situation where Kevin's, or possibly Kevin and Tony's, temper(s) caused the death of Kevin.
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8/10/2014 2:55pm
Tony either:
1) never saw the driver on the track and contact was purely accidental. This also assumes the engine rev was from another vehicle. Or
2). Tony knew he had hit the #13 the lap prior, saw the driver on the track, and tried to "send a message" by accelerating past the driver (engine rev attributed to Stewart), which kicked out the rear end and made contact.

Mistake #1 was the kid exiting the vehicle and confronting the other driver. However, If scenario #2 is plausible, then it's a case of criminal negligence, regardless of the young racer's antics. At this point we need FTE's position and what Tony Stewart might expect in both criminal and civil court.

Regardless of the outcome, Stewart is no longer a team owner and multi-time NASCAR champion. He is now that guy who hit and killed a fellow racer.
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LoudLove wrote:
Tony either: 1) never saw the driver on the track and contact was purely accidental. This also assumes the engine rev was from another vehicle. Or...
Tony either:
1) never saw the driver on the track and contact was purely accidental. This also assumes the engine rev was from another vehicle. Or
2). Tony knew he had hit the #13 the lap prior, saw the driver on the track, and tried to "send a message" by accelerating past the driver (engine rev attributed to Stewart), which kicked out the rear end and made contact.

Mistake #1 was the kid exiting the vehicle and confronting the other driver. However, If scenario #2 is plausible, then it's a case of criminal negligence, regardless of the young racer's antics. At this point we need FTE's position and what Tony Stewart might expect in both criminal and civil court.

Regardless of the outcome, Stewart is no longer a team owner and multi-time NASCAR champion. He is now that guy who hit and killed a fellow racer.
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8/10/2014 3:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2014 6:38am
hillbilly wrote:
No radios in those cars.

May have made the difference.
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8/10/2014 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2014 4:00pm
From that video it looks like Tony's car doesn't swerve until the guy is wrapped up around the tire. A rear tire suddenly being jacked up like that is probably enough to cause the car to abruptly change direction. I don't think those things even run any rear suspension.
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8/10/2014 4:05pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2014 6:38am
Ebs wrote:
From that video it looks like Tony's car doesn't swerve until the guy is wrapped up around the tire. A rear tire suddenly being jacked up...
From that video it looks like Tony's car doesn't swerve until the guy is wrapped up around the tire. A rear tire suddenly being jacked up like that is probably enough to cause the car to abruptly change direction. I don't think those things even run any rear suspension.
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8/10/2014 5:51pm
Stewart's 20 year history of ego & aggressiveness will create a firestorm around this event. It does not take wild speculation to imagine him using the car to intimidate the other driver. In fact, other drivers in that race have all but said as much. This may not end in criminal prosecution, but the financial and PR damaged will be high.
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When I watched it on a computer for the first time, I actually saw the 20 year old running back up to the top of the track just before he was struck by Stewart. I don't think Stewart ever saw him. I hadn't seen that before. Kevin obviously ran down in front of him in order to show his frustration and quickly realized Stewart wasn't moving. Stewart had probably saw the car and assumed he was still inside it, like he should have been. Like I said in my first post, he had on a black suit at night time on a dirt track with a black car and the night sky as a background. I highly doubt Stewart even saw him. If you guys ever get a chance, just sit inside of a sprint car one day and you'll know what I mean. Sprint cars are so much different from anything most of us have ever driven. Unless you know sprint cars, you shouldn't be making accusations on here.
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8/10/2014 6:33pm
Black helmet, black firesuit.... no way he could be seen.
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If Stewart was to be charged a tried for something imagine what the typical empty nester house wife juror would see a think of all the possible explanations said here. All they would see is a guy dressed in black walking towards the line were cars are racing in the dark and then getting hit by one. You can talk about all the throttle blips and swerves you want but really what happened is what you would expect to happen if you essentially walk up to the edge of a freeway at night dressed in black.

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