dent on side of cylinder block(water pump side)??

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hey guys.
did a rebuild on my bike. when putting it all back together, i noticed a dent/chip in the metal of the main cylinder block where the head gasket goes(around the cam chain tunnel area).
in the photo is where the chip/dent is exactly. its not the exact photo of my cylinder on the bike but where the red circle is in the photo is exactly where the dent is and where it ends. the rest of the metal surface behind it is fine.

it's definitely deep enough to get a finger nail in it and deep enough to be able to seal up with putty or something. the cylinder head with the head gasket has been torqued down to spec but the head gasket hasn't quite bonded into the dent fully.

im just wondering, should i bother to even get this fixed or not?(i can take the cylinder back apart if need be).
and is there any way dust could get in, perhaps from underneath the head gasket/where the chip is(where the gasket doesn't quite seal with the uneven/dented surface)?
sorry if its a silly question but just wanting to make sure. i want no further issues with the bike.

Bike is a KTM EXC 2004

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7/15/2014 11:32pm
Was it a pry mark or was it dropped ? Gasket sealer should take care of it depending on how bad it is as its the cam chain tunnel and not the cylinder so it should not blow out.
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7/15/2014 11:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2014 11:40pm
definitely hasn't been dropped. its more like a pry mark. like a little divot or chip.
the head gasket and cylinder head is already on and torqued down.
did you mean the put a light bead of silicone/gasket sealer around the cylinder head gasket area to help seal it? because that's what i was thinking of doing but wasn't too sure if i should or not.
7/15/2014 11:44pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2014 11:46pm
pdee4t wrote:
definitely hasn't been dropped. its more like a pry mark. like a little divot or chip. the head gasket and cylinder head is already on and...
definitely hasn't been dropped. its more like a pry mark. like a little divot or chip.
the head gasket and cylinder head is already on and torqued down.
did you mean the put a light bead of silicone/gasket sealer around the cylinder head gasket area to help seal it? because that's what i was thinking of doing but wasn't too sure if i should or not.
Get it good and clean and put sealer around the cam tunnel but you will need to pull the head, don't put it around the cylinder itself. It is not a high pressure area so you should be fine depending on how deep it is. I have seen people put JB weld in small divots and then sand them smooth and use sealer but that depends when the problem is and you would need to take the head back off to do it. Give it a shot and just look to see if you get a oil leak.
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7/15/2014 11:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2014 11:56pm
its hard to describe how big the divot is.
its only at the front/outside of the cylinder. behind the divot is still all flat and smooth. there's about half a width of metal behind it.
its deep enough to feel with a finger nail and deep enough to be able to "patch" the divot with silicone or JB Weld.

why couldn't i put silicone around the head gasket area where the divot is? if that'll keep dust out and will stop it from leaking out? cos i don't particularly want to take it all back apart if i can avoid it.

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7/16/2014 12:00am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 12:03am
Is this a joke?

Silicone it on the outside and see if it leaks. That area shouldn't see any significant crankcase pressure like others have said. The spot either leaks or it doesn't. You probably only ride the thing a couple of hours at a time at most. You aren't flying it to the moon either. Seriously, it's a 2004 and it probably leaks worse somewhere else already.

Ride it, add oil to it if you need to, and get over it.
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7/16/2014 12:12am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 12:21am
dirthead1 wrote:
Is this a joke? Silicone it on the outside and see if it leaks. That area shouldn't see any significant crankcase pressure like others have said...
Is this a joke?

Silicone it on the outside and see if it leaks. That area shouldn't see any significant crankcase pressure like others have said. The spot either leaks or it doesn't. You probably only ride the thing a couple of hours at a time at most. You aren't flying it to the moon either. Seriously, it's a 2004 and it probably leaks worse somewhere else already.

Ride it, add oil to it if you need to, and get over it.
lol.
its kinda funny how some people are quick to dismiss a topic/issue/question by just focusing on the year or age of the bike therefore labelling the issues as totally irrelevant and like nothing matters just because of the year/age of the bike.....but to some others, such as myself, despite the year of the bike or how old the bike is, we care about our bikes, its our pride and joy and we want to be able to ride with no further issues(seeing as ive had plenty of them with the bike thus far).
some people actually care about their bikes and pride and joys a lot. just because some people don't like to make sure and check up on things, doesn't mean others don't. ive spent a lot on it, therefore am trying to avoid any major issues for a while, thus why i wanted to ask and make sure.

the old mindset of ride it, put oil in it might be how some people go about it, but to some others, we like to make sure everything is all good and fine.

i was more concerned about dust being able to get in or not......not so much oil leaks.

don't be so rude and dismissive next time. some actual friendly help and advice would be more appreciated next time.
7/16/2014 1:06am
Its sounds pretty minor and you would have oil going out before you have dust going in , can you take a pic of it with it put together? You may be able to just seal it from the outside without taking it back apart ,just because the gasket may not seal at the very outside edge does not mean its not sealing on the rest of the surface. I have sealed some pretty good sized gouges but the key is make sure it is clean and oil free and then let it dry , then fire it up and see if it worked.
7/16/2014 1:09am
If the red mark is the only surface that ain't perfectly flat then you wont have any issues.
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7/16/2014 1:11am
If the red mark is the only surface that ain't perfectly flat then you wont have any issues.
yeah the red mark in the picture is the only surface that ain't perfectly flat due to the divot.

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7/16/2014 1:13am
lostboy819 wrote:
Its sounds pretty minor and you would have oil going out before you have dust going in , can you take a pic of it with...
Its sounds pretty minor and you would have oil going out before you have dust going in , can you take a pic of it with it put together? You may be able to just seal it from the outside without taking it back apart ,just because the gasket may not seal at the very outside edge does not mean its not sealing on the rest of the surface. I have sealed some pretty good sized gouges but the key is make sure it is clean and oil free and then let it dry , then fire it up and see if it worked.
ok cool.
there are no oil leaks currently from it. was just concerned about dust possible getting in.
how would i seal it without taking it back apart if i end up needing to though...by using the sealant around the edge?
7/16/2014 1:17am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 1:17am
If nothing comes out the surface is sealed. Like lostboy said, you have more chance of oil coming out then dust going in. If nothing comes out nothing will go in.

stop worrying and go rip the shit out of that old thumper
7/16/2014 11:42am
lostboy819 wrote:
Its sounds pretty minor and you would have oil going out before you have dust going in , can you take a pic of it with...
Its sounds pretty minor and you would have oil going out before you have dust going in , can you take a pic of it with it put together? You may be able to just seal it from the outside without taking it back apart ,just because the gasket may not seal at the very outside edge does not mean its not sealing on the rest of the surface. I have sealed some pretty good sized gouges but the key is make sure it is clean and oil free and then let it dry , then fire it up and see if it worked.
pdee4t wrote:
ok cool. there are no oil leaks currently from it. was just concerned about dust possible getting in. how would i seal it without taking it...
ok cool.
there are no oil leaks currently from it. was just concerned about dust possible getting in.
how would i seal it without taking it back apart if i end up needing to though...by using the sealant around the edge?
Its hard to say without seeing it, take a pic and post it.
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7/16/2014 11:17pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 11:17pm


this isn't from the bike exactly....but this is exactly what the chip/divot looks like and exactly how deep and how big it is.

the divot goes from the very outside edge of the cylinder where the red dot is in the original photo from post #1... to about half way(width wise/toward the cam chain tunnel area).
behind it(where the divot ends and where there is about half a width of flat even surface), the head gasket seals perfectly and the surface is flat.
7/17/2014 12:50am
Non issue, go ride it and you should be fine
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7/17/2014 1:26am
ok cool.
thanks Smile
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7/17/2014 10:24am
I use this on my head gaskets.
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7/18/2014 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2014 4:04pm
Squirt a blob of this in there from the outside. You are probably OK already, but this may help close off the area. make sure to use the 1270"B"

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