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This time in Oregon. Reynolds High School in Troutdale. Across the Columbia river pretty much from Washougal.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-gunman-kills-student-school-shooting-17053…
Student killed at Reynolds High, shooter also dead .
http://www.kgw.com/news/Breaking-Reports-of-gunfire-at-Reynolds-High-Sc…
Live news stream right here at this link.
http://www.kgw.com/live-stream
http://news.yahoo.com/police-gunman-kills-student-school-shooting-17053…
Student killed at Reynolds High, shooter also dead .
http://www.kgw.com/news/Breaking-Reports-of-gunfire-at-Reynolds-High-Sc…
Live news stream right here at this link.
http://www.kgw.com/live-stream
Just glad the shooter is dead and that there wasn't a high amount of casualties.
Crazy fuckers out there.
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The solution to these shootings is in the homes of each and every American...with parents that love, and teach, and encourage their children (well adjusted, well parented children aren't doing these things).
Want to fix America? Start in the home...the home is the most basic and fundamental unit of our society...a bunch of homes make a neighborhood, a bunch of neighborhoods make a community, several communities make a city, cities make counties, counties make states, and states make our nation.
Trying to fix our nations problems at the national level is only treating the symptoms...same with the state, county and city levels...you are just treating the symptoms of the problem...to address the actual problem, you have to fix the family.
If we just had one more law this stuff would stop......
The NRA will argue that it's everybody's right to own a gun whether they're on drugs, nuts, sane or otherwise. It's America. In some counties, even if you're known to be a complete and utter fucking loon who threatens everyone they meet, it's actually illegal for you to NOT own a gun.
And most here will support that, because they're afraid somebody will take their gun. Which any sane and reasonable person knows won't happen, but some people get very worked up about shit like that and toss reason aside because they're fearful of everything from their government to their shadow. Such is life. God bless America!
Here's an interesting story in regards to the NRA...that pissed me off!
I know when Brandon Webb first started to run for the NRA board that the looney tunes came out in full force.
Brandon Webb is a great guy and a smart guy.Highly knowledgeable about many weapons
and he is very well trained. In fact he trained Chris Kyle & Marcus Luttrell - he was their sniper school instructor.
They looney tunes called him a wolf in sheep's clothing ect... (you can google some of the hate stuff -google is filled with it.
The guy has probably forgotten more about cqb/assessment/self defense then most gun owners know.
Here is a read about Webb.
Brandon Webb knows a thing or two about guns. Over the course of his 13-year career in the U.S. military, Webb served as a Navy SEAL with challenging combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan under his belt. He was also a course manager for the SEAL Sniper program, where he trained special operations legends such as Chris Kyle, the most lethal sniper in U.S. history, and Marcus Luttrell, the subject of the new Hollywood blockbuster Lone Survivor.
Brandon: "“I definitely expected healthy criticism,” Webb said. “What I didn’t expect was to have people lash out at me, my family, and to put my service to this country into question.”
From an outsider’s perspective, it would certainly seem puzzling that those whom Webb seeks to represent would become his most vocal critics. After all, Webb is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment; he supports concealed carry rights, opposes magazine capacity limits, and believes that Americans should be allowed to own any personal firearm short of WMDs given the proper training, including fully automatic weapons.
What sets Webb apart from his critics is his opinion that the NRA should take a stronger leadership position in drafting legislation, such as improving background checks(The NICS system is a mess -FE) and addressing America’s flawed mental health care system. Critics have charged that Webb’s willingness to compromise opens the way for the further erosion of gun rights, while Webb argues that failing to participate more actively in the legislative process would result in even greater erosion, especially at the state level.
“Compromise comes in many forms, and many who’ve been critical of me are automatically triggered to think that this means a Second Amendment compromise,” Webb explained. “This is not the case. What I’m talking about is engaging in a dialogue that protects our rights but leaves room to have an intelligent conversation on important issues.”"
You can read the rest here.
http://ivn.us/2013/12/26/silent-majority-navy-seal-sniper-speaks-gun-mo…
IMO
The guy is really an advocate for improving our current systems so that they work right!
Adding Mental Health shit, like records to NICS would be a good step.
He's also an advocate of a better trained society when it comes to fighting off the bad guys.
I don't see a problem with any of that.....
The training shouldn't even be an issue - it should be a given and not even have to be forced.
People should want to get the best possible training money can buy if they're going to carry or arm themselves with semi-autos,Title 2 stuff like destruction devices,machine guns ect..
There's tons of great private schools out there.
Most are ran by Veterans whom have served and come from the Special Operations community.
Me thinks you're not seeing the big picture here. I'm not some vehemently anti-gun person. I admittedly don't like them and really don't see a need for them in my society, but to each their own. However, putting dangerous weapons into the hands of some people is as dumb as selling C4 or semtex to every shithead who wants to set off some fireworks.
It's also dangerous to prescribe dangerous psych meds to people who aren't being seen regularly by their physician to monitor their progress. I think that has quite a bit to do with your crazy expensive health care system that treats symptoms with drugs and doesn't give a shit about treating the underlying problems. There's no profit in healing compared to treating the symptoms for the life of the patient.
Banning either one isn't the solution. Finding a rational middle ground that keeps dangerous things out of the hands of those that abuse them might have a better end result. That takes some effort though.
If they weren't being prescribed drugs and were instead under the care of a psychologist would you blame the psychologist?
You have a combination of mentally unstable people and dangerous weapons with a lack of oversight of both. You could eliminate the problem with proper care for the mentally unstable and/or removing their access to weapons that make a massacre event easy.
Blaming one without the other shows a bias in thinking that removes a viable option from the table. Of course when you're getting your medical information from a source named "ammoland" it's pretty tough to say there's no bias in your thinking.
Here's the lowdown:
It takes a mentally ill person to commit senses slaughter, and if you are mentally ill, chances are you will be on an anti-depressent.
Here's a college mantra you might have missed:
"correlation is not causation"
edit: didnt' see Rooster's post, looks like he's got this covered.
Taking guns away is just treating in a symptom without addressing the actual problem.
Fatigue is a common symptom of most cancers...does it make sense to just address the symptom (fatigue) and expect to solve the problem? Of course not...that's why taking away guns (or even making them more difficult to get) won't solve this problem either.
Government, and their laws, aren't the answer.
A psycho kid running around a school with a knife will need more time and effort to kill than the kid with the guns.
Pit Row
Really?
Go tell your bullshit to these people & their families.
Plus the 264 victims that sought treatment at area hospitals.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/boston_marathon…
If crazy fuckers want to kill/harm mass amounts of people,they'll find a way....
And just an FYI - there's plenty of other methods then "knives".
They used bombs in the Columbine massacre also.
In fact...
48 -- Carbon Dioxide bombs
27 -- Pipe bombs
11 -- 1.5 gallon propane bombs
7 -- gas or napalm bombs
2 -- 20 pound propane bombs
Yep, guns are the problem, not mentally defective humans.
Weapons & Gear they used.
See link.... http://acolumbinesite.com/weapon.html
Here's Dylan's car from a Car Bomb that they set off.
Here's the wiki page also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
Let's not forget Oklahoma City either.
In that domestic massacre,168 people were killed.
Fuck that, you can peel the bombs from my cold dead hands!
And it's not like people in the hood are blowing each other up, but they're shooting the shit outta each other with the very guns y'all love so much.
Without any hassle.
Hell,you can go buy stuff at a store and make them - no background check needed.
Maybe we need crock-pot control & control all the ingredients?
But let's not blame the crazy person plotting & planning the attack.
Let's blame the crock-pot & ingredients.
I took guns out of the equation.
Still many fatalities.
I blame peoples actions- not the objects.
I saw in another post somebody quoted a number of I think it was 289 people that have been killed in these mass killings of late. So we rounded up to an even 300, and by your admission in your post instead of 300 Dead it would only be 90.
There were 20 elementary school children killed at Newtown. According to you without guns it would have only been six. While still tragic they would be 14 children alive today but they are not. They were shot dead in their school.
Actually....
Bombs aren't hard to make at all.
They even can work in a more convenient way to take out a lot of soft targets.
Look at Oklahoma City( the most extreme case) - it wasn't anything genius.
McVeigh killed 168 people.
There wouldn't have been nearly that many casualties - if he were to use an AK or AR.
Having to go through the building & negotiate anything in his path ect...
He wouldn't have been able to walk away either like he did.
As for the shootings in the hood.
There's lot's of other ways people get murdered also in the hood.
Again I blame the peoples actions - not the objects.
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