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It was good to hear his side, he gave up a LOT and seemed very calm, smart and well spoken. He had nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose imo.
Patriot!
What information has been released that harms US national security? If you can't answer this question then you have no business calling him a traitor.
What should he have done differently?
No law abiding US citizen should fear or have reason to not trust the government. If so, the 'government' has overstepped its role and should be replaced/changed.
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Who specifically has been harmed?
Patriot
None of us have a clue what damage has been done, it's not like the enemy is going to send us a telegram with the information they've gleaned from this mess.
But just to put it in perspective, other than major nations like Russia and China, who else would even think we had such capability?
That you can't figure it out or don't have it in black and white where the damage is, doesn't mean no harm has been done. As the old saying goes, you only hear about the spy agency failures, not the successes.
What should he have done differently? Kept his damn mouth shut, that's what. He didn't reveal anything the more intelligent among us didn't already know about. What he did do is expose that capability to the entire world. You can start with the damage THAT alone has done.
"But just to put it in perspective, other than major nations like Russia and China, who else would even think we had such capability?"
and then
"He didn't reveal anything the more intelligent among us didn't already know about."
William Binney gave us most of this information almost a decade ago, and very few people paid attention. I think the United States needed a messenger like Snowden, a villain in the eyes of the government.
I don't know about you, but I feel an obligation to speak up when I witness an injustice.
I MIGHT be more persuaded by the people who believe Snowden is a traitor if the NSA had any evidence at all that their methods worked. Like Snowden mentioned, the CIA, FBI, and other agencies had all of the information they needed to foil the 9/11 plot, they just couldn't pull their heads out of their asses far enough to put the pieces together.
When we built the first atomic bomb in this country, the folks working on that didn't find it necessary to tell the world what they were doing. Doing so would have been a really bad idea, don't you think? Just disclosing the fact that we had that capability would have put the entire program at risk.
Snowden is no different than the Rosenbergs in regards to the damage he's done.
Don't hate the Truth.
I am about halfway through part one of this. So far it seems to be a complete depiction of events.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets
You are absolutely NUTS!
The Rosenbergs conspired to sell atomic secrets to the soviets. They were doing this for their own gain at the detriment of every US citizen. Snowden turns over information (documenting a mass usurpation of constitutional guarantees) that has been vetted to news agencies.
I have a feeling you are trolling me. There is no way that you can think those two situations are comparable.
If Snowden wasn't the first to disclose this, (he wasn't), and the efforts of others who didn't disclose classified info actually brought about changes, (they did), what did Snowden really accomplish, besides divulging classified info?
Do you really think Snowden is the only person working at NSA that saw a problem and spoke up? Do you honestly believe all these other career people just sat on their hands? He had options. He chose the wrong one and the end result of changes to the program would have been the same without him.
Part two of the PBS program above brings up an interesting point though. Much of what the NSA is doing simply piggybacks on work the private sector is already doing.......If it's not a Constitutional violation for the private sector, how can it be so for the government??????
First, you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth - either Snowden compromised security or he released info that everyone already knew, it can't be both.
Second, and most importantly, the constitution restrains the government. A private employer can fire you for your beliefs and Google can keep track of your search history - the United States government can do neither.
If CIA or military take's him out he deserved it. He's a traitor. He betrayed his country. If he was this moraly straight then he should have never taken that job. Now it looks like he acted like a spy who infiltrated top secret institution of USA defense and then ran away.
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I don't know how many of you have seen this spying in action, but it's terrifying how easy it is to piece together whatever story you want about someone when you have every detail about their entire lives to work with. Creative editing of all these bits of information can make a case against anyone.
He served his country by bring to light a gross subversion of the Fourth Amendment.
I just want to be clear about something; do you believe that appraising US citizens to the fact that their Fourth Amendment rights are being violated en masse is not justified in light of the possibility that terrorists will forgo communicating digitally in fear of their communications being intercepted?
You believe that the actual harm, the damage to the privacy of every citizen, is outweighed by hypothetical possibilities?
Or let's try a different tact. Were you not aware this was happening before Snowden?
Snowden is a traitor of the highest order who also happens to be an attention whore.
No. Why does this matter?
Is he the only person that disclosed classified information?
No. William Binney did almost a decade ago. Again, I don't see why this matters. A whistle was blown in the past but it obviously garnished very little attention. It was time for another whistle, only this time with the documented evidence to blow the lid off.
Snowden might have betrayed his position, but he sure as hell did not betray his country. The government is violating the constitutional rights of every US citizen. What they are doing is a crime. If the founders wanted to put security before liberty they would have.
Do you think the American public has a right to know that the NSA is spying on them?
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