2002 RM 250 Spark Plug Help

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I recently bought a 2002 RM 250 that runs good but looked to be neglected for a good while. I paid $800 for it as a little winter project. I pretty much replaced or rebuilt the important things such as suspension, bearings, sprockets, chain, bars, levers, and a few other things. The bike ran decent but seemed to run out of fuel or spark when you open the throttle fully. So I figured I would replace the spark plug just to eliminate that as a problem. This is where my issue comes. I bought a NGK BR8EG (this is what my local shop gave me and said the bike called for stock). I got the NGK plug home and immediately realized it was longer then the plug the previous owner had in the bike. I figured the previous owner didn't know what he was doing and put the shorter plug in the bike. I was kind of happy because I figured the shorter plug is why the bike was running like crap. So I put the NGK plug in the bike and slowly turned the engine over and everything seemed fine and the piston did not seem to hit the plug. So I fire the bike up and it barely runs (will idle for a few seconds but immediately stalls). After removing the new longer plug I found that it was smashed shut. So I reinstalled the old "shorter" plug and adjusted the power valve a bit and now the bike runs great. I was immediately mad at the shop for giving me the wrong spark plug but after doing some research online it seems that the RM 250 does call for a BR8EG. I suppose my question would be is this the correct plug if so why would it have gotten smashed shut. Is there a possibility that an aftermarket part such as a high compression head or some kind of domed piston would cause the engine to require a shorter then stock plug. Sorry for the lengthy post and if I sound like a noob (I am new to these big two strokes). Thanks for any info. Smile
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3/12/2014 6:13am
someone probably machined the head and cylinder and it really runs the ES plug with a spacer under it, the HS plug is most likely to short, take the head off and screw both plugs in and see where they end up, the end of the plug threads should be flush with the inside of the head
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3/12/2014 6:24am
I know this probably sounds dumb but what do you mean by "ES" and "HS" plug?
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3/12/2014 6:26am
ES or EG the E is the thread lenght
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3/12/2014 6:28am
go on NGK site they explain everything , the B is the sockect size, the 8 heat range, E thread lenght, S,G EGV matieral the electrode is made from

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Oh I see. I guess I never really thought the individual numbers meant anything! Thanks man I am going to read up on it now. When you say I probably need the "ES" plug with a spacer under it, does this mean an extra washer?
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3/12/2014 8:38am
I am not sure about your bike, but in the past when Pro Circuit did head work on some bikes they did for me they included a spark plug spacer to be used under the plug.

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I see, there was no type of spacer or anything under the plug when I got it. It seems to run good with the shorter plug that is in it now so I suppose that is what I will run.
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3/13/2014 12:41pm
put_chug,

I just put in a new top end on my 01 RM 250 ( Same Model as your 02) , Check the top of the Piston for any marks and Yes the NGK BR8EG Plug is correct. Your head has probably been decked for more compression and anyone correct me if I'm wrong...You may need higher octane fuel...check your reeds...air filter..idle screw...Air Screw.

Yes you would need a shorter plug or plug spacer as mentions by everyone else.



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3/13/2014 12:55pm
Pull the head and check how deep the plug goes. Use the correct plug BR8EG and make a spacer. Check to make sure that it didn't compromise the piston when you slammed it into the spark plug. If you even think it is damaged, replace it. It will be a lot cheaper than the piston shitting itself.
put_chug
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3/13/2014 5:37pm
Thanks guys. But when you say make a spacer for the spark plug what should I use? Can you buy thicker collapsible washers or should I get a couple off of other plugs, thanks!
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put_chug wrote:
Thanks guys. But when you say make a spacer for the spark plug what should I use? Can you buy thicker collapsible washers or should I...
Thanks guys. But when you say make a spacer for the spark plug what should I use? Can you buy thicker collapsible washers or should I get a couple off of other plugs, thanks!
If anything...take your old spark plug and order that just to be safe...I've look up on adding washer but can't find anything reputable.
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3/13/2014 6:07pm
The spacers I have used were made out alloy to the thickness needed for the plug to clear. Using additional washers increase the risk of leakage.

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put_chug wrote:
Thanks guys. But when you say make a spacer for the spark plug what should I use? Can you buy thicker collapsible washers or should I...
Thanks guys. But when you say make a spacer for the spark plug what should I use? Can you buy thicker collapsible washers or should I get a couple off of other plugs, thanks!
The ones that I have had were made from aluminum.

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