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hillbilly
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Edited Date/Time 2/1/2014 8:02am
With what happened a few years back,I'm surprised they don't give a rider something to land on.

How much could extra tuff blocks laid out in a way to save a man cost?Less than a lawsuit I bet.

And,since they did away with the bowls for a few and now bring them back gradually would that not be negligent?

Track builder knows the risk and that area is just like before,concrete.

It would be so easy, and luck will run out again,for someone.
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1/30/2014 9:02am
bro, you say bowl turns?

i want my turn

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The first time I raced Baltimore Arenacross I noticed that if I happened to fly off a bowl turn, I would be greeted by some concrete and some metal railings directly on the other side. Ouch.

This observation came into sharp relief on the final lap of my first moto when I lost control of my bike at the end of the whoop section.
As I whiskey throttled my RM250 out of the whoops and into the turn, flailing behind my bike like a flag on a pole, I made the decision to eject rather than get tossed to a painful landing on said concrete.
The landing into the face of the turn sucked, but much better than ragdolling into concrete.
Since then I have wondered how this could be improved in Supercross.
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peelout wrote:
bro, you say bowl turns? i want my turn [img]https://stonerdays.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/sexy-pot-pictures-1.jpg[/img]
bro, you say bowl turns?

i want my turn

I like you peelout.

I hope you can handle my blend,reclinertard
hillbilly
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The first time I raced Baltimore Arenacross I noticed that if I happened to fly off a bowl turn, I would be greeted by some concrete...
The first time I raced Baltimore Arenacross I noticed that if I happened to fly off a bowl turn, I would be greeted by some concrete and some metal railings directly on the other side. Ouch.

This observation came into sharp relief on the final lap of my first moto when I lost control of my bike at the end of the whoop section.
As I whiskey throttled my RM250 out of the whoops and into the turn, flailing behind my bike like a flag on a pole, I made the decision to eject rather than get tossed to a painful landing on said concrete.
The landing into the face of the turn sucked, but much better than ragdolling into concrete.
Since then I have wondered how this could be improved in Supercross.
It is a unnecessary risk.

10 by 10 tuffblocks arranged where you'd get a piece of one

A catch net would be a dnf if tangled in it.

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1/30/2014 10:55am
There would then be no room to move equipment or safety crews around the track.
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1/30/2014 11:21am
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with football, basketball, baseball, nascar, indy etc. etc. That's why when people get injured in a sport you don't see people sue others on negligence often because people know the risks involved in their type of sport before participating.
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1/30/2014 11:31am
bandwagon wrote:
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with...
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with football, basketball, baseball, nascar, indy etc. etc. That's why when people get injured in a sport you don't see people sue others on negligence often because people know the risks involved in their type of sport before participating.
Yeah
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1/30/2014 11:33am
enketchum wrote:
There would then be no room to move equipment or safety crews around the track.
Brilliant
1/30/2014 11:40am
I was at Indy in 2005 waiting for my practice to start when Goerke launched his bike into the stands. He came up short on the finish line triple (the last time I ever saw a triple for the finish line and also which was quickly made into a double shortly after). He was going to land in the stands no matter what. He cleared the tarped area of the stands by at least 10 rows and took out a dozen or seats. Only a net was going to keep him from landing in row P.
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bandwagon wrote:
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with...
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with football, basketball, baseball, nascar, indy etc. etc. That's why when people get injured in a sport you don't see people sue others on negligence often because people know the risks involved in their type of sport before participating.
With that line of thinking y not line the track with barbed wire....
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bandwagon wrote:
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with...
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with football, basketball, baseball, nascar, indy etc. etc. That's why when people get injured in a sport you don't see people sue others on negligence often because people know the risks involved in their type of sport before participating.
With that line of thinking y not line the track with barbed wire....
This is reality, not fantasy.
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Helmets should be optional
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bandwagon wrote:
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with...
Nobody tells the rider they have to race, it's a decision made by each individual rider who know the inherited risks upon doing so. Same with football, basketball, baseball, nascar, indy etc. etc. That's why when people get injured in a sport you don't see people sue others on negligence often because people know the risks involved in their type of sport before participating.
This type of thinking is why the rules for mandatory safety equipment haven't been updated since God's dog was a puppy.

I would like to see bowl turns virtually eliminated as I think flat turns and off cambers make for much better racing.
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Fill the Bowl Man!

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I miss having a variety of bowl turns and flat 180 turns. The flat 180 turns always give the riders trouble and open up the option for an inside line and seem to be great for passing.
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2/1/2014 8:02am
What will happen is a rider will get hurt bad or die, track builders react by doing away with them like last time,

Then bring back gradually,same as it ever was

Muddy creek had a jump in early 2000,s that was a blind landing 110ft table top with a 6 ft tall peak halfway on the tabletop

This peak made the landing very blind,it also was had to get over for guys that had no business trying it.

They parked the emt there because it was constant carnage.

We tried to get it changed for some time but did not.

I always pitted there just to help flag or drag bike,bodies out of way.

One morning a 16 yr old at his 1st race ,1st time away from parents with his bike(came with friends parents)

He clips the 6ft peak and endos into landing for the full table,since he knew no better he went back to his bike.

As i jump up waving a kid hits the takeoff,the flagger had moved to much toward the fallen kid to be seen,

I watch in horror as the kid gets hit front wheel to sternum,it ripped his aorta,he died right there while i watched his eyes,

Eyes with terror in them,I

The next race all the local promoters came out,stood on that jump,6ft peak removed now,and told of how they build these jumps for us to be able to race the big races and are going to continue to do so.

It made me mad and sick.

They put a stone there and name it SCOTTY'S HILL, in a few years the stone was covered by dirt,forgotten with a bigger jump.

I almost killed a young man by landing on him,I was almost killed later that year by getting landed on,

Almost dieing changes nothing,dieing changes everything,

Something could be done,but a riders life is just not that important to the big scene,it just that simple.

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