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Nobody is saying they are fine if you get seriously injured or killed....in fact, my argument is that you shouldn't be allowed on roads without bike lanes/shoulders (and ticketed if you don't stay in-not on or next to the white line-in bike lane or on the shoulder) so that you DON'T get seriously injured or killed. Or seriously injure drivers as they are forced to go into the other lane to go around you.
But, since bikes are allowed on roads without bike lanes...bikers should be considerate human beings and ride single file, as far off the road as possible, so as not to impede traffic. That is just the respectful, decent and considerate thing to do.
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then come back on this board and tell us your opinion.see the unseen things a motorist cannot.
cyclist ,at least 95 percent of them are motorist also.we see it from both sides.
example...try riding up to 30mph in anaerobic state and try to stay straight,very close to edge ,at same time bike gets twitchy deverting away from shit in the road and prick motorists that never read the drivers test booklet that mentions cyclist share the roadways...
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So I'll see your 3 months...and raise you 24 months. lol
I still stand behind my position....
another was a fellow familyman biker got killed while in bike lane divided by speed bumps....man in van said said oh, I wasn't paying attention....
its funny how when u do everything right,the biker is still the issue.
how many times does it take before ones dead because a driver in a car feels invinsable
by the way, unless a driver hits and runs,they usually don't get in trouble after killing a biker,unless they r drunk.
even the driver that killed a biker on top of a bridge that had a shoulder almost if not as wide as a drive lane....pinned against the bridge wall!oh,i wasn't paying attention...holly fuck!
so,i guess I do have an issue w/ motorist that never read the handbook and or feel a biker is their go to vent object..
funny how they give you room when u look back(eye to eye) prior to them passing u.lol..not paying attention,my ass.
Impatience is the biggest problem I see with drivers when I'm road riding. On PCH there are many placed where there are lanes that merge in from the side, or turning lanes open to the side. That means I end up crossing back and forth between them, or have to work with traffic. There are a lot of really impatient drivers out there. Is it an inconvenience to have to slow momentarily for a cyclist? Sure. Do they have a brake pedal and a gas pedal, and a steering wheel that turns both left and right? Yep. But it sort of amazes me that they get so bent about what's really a minor inconvenience.
The guy that killed the biker is an idiot.
You have an issue with motorists that don't read the handbook...I have an issue with cyclists that are inconsiderate and entitled jerks (those that ride right on the white line, two up-or more-and expect the bigger, heavier cars to go around them). Are we even yet?
I have no issue "slowing momentarily"...but when I have to slow for several minutes so two dudes can ride side by side down a road with no bike lane, because I can't go around them for oncoming traffic...that's an issue. I won't run them off the road, or brush them with my mirror...but its an issue.
that's what yet another car owner told me while on my bike...
even had a mid age guy in convertible brake ck. an organized group ride! fucked up drivers think all the metal they are in makes them almighty.
bad apples on both sides at times,but you get it.
pot holes...don't even get me started on potholes.lol
motorist would not love 40 rider 1 lane of bikes.
keep in mind,whoever pulls a group,or someone who has a problem in pace line...will eventualy pull into a"2nd lane" .
here's another problem,if all stuck 100percent in bike lane,passing motorist gives you minimum room while passing..not all motorists,but ....a cyclist still has that uncomfortable feeling of a car coming close to them at all times in those situations. when stuck out a bit from bike lane,it actually gives the cyclist a bit of "look,here I am ,you can see me not 100percent in the narrow bike lane,proceed w/caution.
if its 3 or more abreast,i feel it should be patrolled by pace care/ms event/charity ride deals for example.but for regular shop group rides? no. unless the roads r desolate.
*not all bike lanes are the same. some are cleanare not...road gutters ....some are huge.and most of the time,none.
You get to sit side-by-side with your passengers. Why can't the cyclists have the same ability to enjoy the company?
How about you and your passengers sit in a single file line? Fair? Most cars are single occupant only anyways......
Take the time to read through the discussion, and you can clearly see that I advocate riding as far to the right as possible, and doing everything you can NOT to hinder motorists.
BUT, why not equal treatment? Most road lanes are 12'. Most cars are 8' wide. So, in a typical road section, 24' are dedicated to motor travel (of which they only need 16"), and bicyclists can HOPE for a 3' lane. How about leveling the playing field?
If you stay in your lane, then motorists have zero right to intrude on your space illegal, aggressively, or otherwise, and the ones that do should be prosecuted accordingly. The opposite is true, too (if bikes illegally enter the car lanes). It should be shared according to the letter of the law. That goes for both, and I bet that anyone here with a logical argument in them will agree....so you don't need 3 pages of arguing over nothing.
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Cyclists shouldn't be allowed in the traffic lane for the same reason 85 beginners aren't allow on the moto track with big bike pros....the speed disparity between the two is just go great to be acceptable (the same should be true of cyclists in traffic lanes).
I ride several days a week around lunchtime. Anyone who wants to stop by and critique my riding style can go for it.
As crazy as it sounds, most people who "ride the white line" do so because that is the smoothest and fastest line out there. The paint fills up some of the divots of the pavement, and it is fast and smooth. Just the wrong place to be, IMO.
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