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That'd be all well and good, but the person who started that is probably a Republican, who's about as big government, deficit spending, corporate owned just like the Dems. Dumb and dumber. I just can't tell which is worse.
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If it were real, the guy that wrote it would have to be about the dumbest SOB ever. It would simply open him up to wrongful termination lawsuits.
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The stupid is strong in this one.

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72kiteboarder wrote:
If it were real, the guy that wrote it would have to be about the dumbest SOB ever. It would simply open him up to wrongful...
If it were real, the guy that wrote it would have to be about the dumbest SOB ever. It would simply open him up to wrongful termination lawsuits.
No shit he/she would have sixty lawsuits on his/her hands that would be a sure loser.
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As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.
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DPR250R 2/3/2013 9:41pm
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Mr. G wrote:
As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.
What is holding you back? Do it.
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Might as well keep them working, welfare and unemployment benefits are merging before our very eyes.
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The bottom graphic in the top post is ignorant.

The Consitution is "high level requirements." They are supposed to be short and sweet. How to actually execute the requirements is always a paperwork pile. The happens outside of government as much as in. It's part of what I do right now. You have to read one-liners and break it down into something people can understand and track.

If you don't like breaking down requirements into something people can use (paperwork, red tape) than just do away with the Constitution and be like Somalia, the world's greatest anarchy!
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I thought you Fresno/Berkely types actually prefer Anarchy. Wink
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Mr. G wrote:
As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.
How 'bout if it's because of their skin color?
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Mr. G wrote:
As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.
jtomasik wrote:
How 'bout if it's because of their skin color?
How 'bout if it's not, yet they claim it is because they've been trained to play that card in order to get their way?
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TFS wrote:
The bottom graphic in the top post is ignorant. The Consitution is "high level requirements." They are supposed to be short and sweet. How to actually...
The bottom graphic in the top post is ignorant.

The Consitution is "high level requirements." They are supposed to be short and sweet. How to actually execute the requirements is always a paperwork pile. The happens outside of government as much as in. It's part of what I do right now. You have to read one-liners and break it down into something people can understand and track.

If you don't like breaking down requirements into something people can use (paperwork, red tape) than just do away with the Constitution and be like Somalia, the world's greatest anarchy!
So all the laws and regulations that the federal government has passed are good and necessary? I think the graphic points out that government has gone too far and that there can be too much government. If you think that's ignorant than you must think that the Constitution is ignorant.
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jtomasik 2/4/2013 7:11am
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Mr. G wrote:
As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.
jtomasik wrote:
How 'bout if it's because of their skin color?
reded wrote:
How 'bout if it's not, yet they claim it is because they've been trained to play that card in order to get their way?
There are legal avenues that the employer can use to prove the dismissal had nothing to do with it. But, let's say there weren't any laws regarding race. My question to G (and yourself, if you'd like) is whether it's ok to fire someone simply because of their race? Let's say they do a good job at the place of employment. But, let's say that the product is frowned upon by that person's race. Is it ok to get rid of the person simply because they were born of the same race?
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jtomasik wrote:
How 'bout if it's because of their skin color?
reded wrote:
How 'bout if it's not, yet they claim it is because they've been trained to play that card in order to get their way?
jtomasik wrote:
There are legal avenues that the employer can use to prove the dismissal had nothing to do with it. But, let's say there weren't any laws...
There are legal avenues that the employer can use to prove the dismissal had nothing to do with it. But, let's say there weren't any laws regarding race. My question to G (and yourself, if you'd like) is whether it's ok to fire someone simply because of their race? Let's say they do a good job at the place of employment. But, let's say that the product is frowned upon by that person's race. Is it ok to get rid of the person simply because they were born of the same race?
While I agree with your question and premise, the problem legally here would be "how was the person hired in the first place if racism exists?"

Unless say the company hired new management who then fired all people of color, then the scenario becomes valid.

So, rephrasing, If as "Mr. G wrote: As a business owner you should be able to fire any employee for any reason.", can a new corporate leader fire all people of color within their organization without cause, simply, "because he wanted to?"
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flarider 2/4/2013 7:27am
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Or add to that, can new management fire all the Jews within a company, for no other cause than their being Jewish?
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flarider wrote:
Or add to that, can new management fire all the Jews within a company, for no other cause than their being Jewish?
I'm guessing if it is management of a Mosque they could have a case. Smile
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TFS wrote:
The bottom graphic in the top post is ignorant. The Consitution is "high level requirements." They are supposed to be short and sweet. How to actually...
The bottom graphic in the top post is ignorant.

The Consitution is "high level requirements." They are supposed to be short and sweet. How to actually execute the requirements is always a paperwork pile. The happens outside of government as much as in. It's part of what I do right now. You have to read one-liners and break it down into something people can understand and track.

If you don't like breaking down requirements into something people can use (paperwork, red tape) than just do away with the Constitution and be like Somalia, the world's greatest anarchy!
borg wrote:
So all the laws and regulations that the federal government has passed are good and necessary? I think the graphic points out that government has gone...
So all the laws and regulations that the federal government has passed are good and necessary? I think the graphic points out that government has gone too far and that there can be too much government. If you think that's ignorant than you must think that the Constitution is ignorant.
A strawman is when you answer something that was not said.

No one said that red tape is flawless. The point is simply that you can not expect a one-pager to remain a one-pager once you go about executing the requirements. This applies to organizations inside and outside of government. If I see this in the private industry, do I blame government for that too? Smile

I am aware that there are debatable issues on how much is too much. The toon didn't address that. It just pushed your buttons (but not mine). Smile

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Great, gay marriage is therefore legal.....done
End of discussion
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flarider wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/02/03/394971_249993211800531_895688023_n_805418.jpg[/img] [i]"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that...


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Great, gay marriage is therefore legal.....done
End of discussion
Yep, and same with plural marriage.
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flarider wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/02/03/394971_249993211800531_895688023_n_805418.jpg[/img] [i]"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that...


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Great, gay marriage is therefore legal.....done
End of discussion
Racer92 wrote:
Yep, and same with plural marriage.
Yup
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Hey, I just noticed Teefus is back. Smile
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TFS wrote:
A strawman is when you answer something that was not said. No one said that red tape is flawless. The point is simply that you can...
A strawman is when you answer something that was not said.

No one said that red tape is flawless. The point is simply that you can not expect a one-pager to remain a one-pager once you go about executing the requirements. This applies to organizations inside and outside of government. If I see this in the private industry, do I blame government for that too? Smile

I am aware that there are debatable issues on how much is too much. The toon didn't address that. It just pushed your buttons (but not mine). Smile
A strawman is when you answer something that was not said.

The toon didn't say that the government should be a one pager. The cartoon made a point by being a little absurd. It's kind of how political cartoons work. You shouldn't take them too literally.

BTW the cartoon didn't push my buttons, you did.
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jtomasik wrote:
How 'bout if it's because of their skin color?
reded wrote:
How 'bout if it's not, yet they claim it is because they've been trained to play that card in order to get their way?
jtomasik wrote:
There are legal avenues that the employer can use to prove the dismissal had nothing to do with it. But, let's say there weren't any laws...
There are legal avenues that the employer can use to prove the dismissal had nothing to do with it. But, let's say there weren't any laws regarding race. My question to G (and yourself, if you'd like) is whether it's ok to fire someone simply because of their race? Let's say they do a good job at the place of employment. But, let's say that the product is frowned upon by that person's race. Is it ok to get rid of the person simply because they were born of the same race?
Yea I see what you mean. If some business owner is a racist they probably would not have hired the person to begin with. Now if the situation is a new manager came into position that was a racist and had the power to fire you could get an unfair situation if the owner is not sharp enough to spot it.

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