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deegan711 12/24/2012 7:24am
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herlings hands down its stupid how easy he makes it look, southwick is like hard pack compared to belgium but i got to say i think the americans would fair better if they had more DEEP sand tracks but still not on par with someone who was born in the sand, like said before to come from last and to pass gp and ama riders like they were stood still is amazing
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 12/25/2012 1:50pm
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Is that track Mol? I've heard that's the gnarliest sand track around.
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MXMattii 12/25/2012 1:51pm
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Is that track Mol? I've heard that's the gnarliest sand track around.
That track is indeed Mol aka De Keiheuvel. Very hard track! It's pity that I haven't this with English commentary
Muscle-Milk-KTM 12/25/2012 1:53pm
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Is that track Mol? I've heard that's the gnarliest sand track around.
MXMattii wrote:
That track is indeed Mol aka De Keiheuvel. Very hard track! It's pity that I haven't this with English commentary
Why don't they hold the Belgium GP there now?
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Is that track Mol? I've heard that's the gnarliest sand track around.
MXMattii wrote:
That track is indeed Mol aka De Keiheuvel. Very hard track! It's pity that I haven't this with English commentary
Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Why don't they hold the Belgium GP there now?
Giving a GP costs allot of money and they are making the local club is making some money with the organization of a round in the Belgian Championship. I also don't know for sure if it is still possible with the "greenies" because this track is in the dunes and with parking space and stuff like that.

In my dreams I would like to see the MXDN there!
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Bellone 12/25/2012 5:06pm
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I wish Herlings would man up and line up against the boy's at A1.
TeamPropainTurbo38t 12/25/2012 5:22pm
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You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo. No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey...
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo.

No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey was even able to catch him at all, broke the laws of reality. It was insane how much time he was taking out of everybody and there's not a rider in the world other than Herlings who could track down a holeshotting Cairoli round Lommel after crashing round the first turn and starting in almost dead last. OK he didn't win. But considering the above he had no business winning. The fact he got anywhere near the lead is in itself ridiculous.
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why would he ride 3-4 sec faster if he didn 't need to? On the other hand....name one person that had Ricky covered EVER if Ricky didn't make his own bad luck. Dave
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Herlings. And he's only gonna get quicker. To all the people saying RC, who would win out of Herlings vs RC if they were both 18...
Herlings. And he's only gonna get quicker.

To all the people saying RC, who would win out of Herlings vs RC if they were both 18?

And if it was at a "real" sand track?

If Bane was born in the darkness, Jeffrey Herlings was born in the sand.
Well, Herlings should come to Southwick which is an EASY sand track and shut everyone up.....no?
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UpTiTe wrote:
Theres no real sand in the AMA nationals anymore, but when there was, a lot of our guys were fast. But Hannah was a beast in...
Theres no real sand in the AMA nationals anymore, but when there was, a lot of our guys were fast. But Hannah was a beast in the sand.
Oh boy was he.
2strokerider 12/28/2012 1:42pm
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Motocross83 wrote:
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo. No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey...
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo.

No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey was even able to catch him at all, broke the laws of reality. It was insane how much time he was taking out of everybody and there's not a rider in the world other than Herlings who could track down a holeshotting Cairoli round Lommel after crashing round the first turn and starting in almost dead last. OK he didn't win. But considering the above he had no business winning. The fact he got anywhere near the lead is in itself ridiculous.
TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why...
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why would he ride 3-4 sec faster if he didn 't need to? On the other hand....name one person that had Ricky covered EVER if Ricky didn't make his own bad luck. Dave
robbie reynard, sebastien tortelli..
2strokerider 12/28/2012 1:43pm
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1-forty-8 wrote:
Herlings. And he's only gonna get quicker. To all the people saying RC, who would win out of Herlings vs RC if they were both 18...
Herlings. And he's only gonna get quicker.

To all the people saying RC, who would win out of Herlings vs RC if they were both 18?

And if it was at a "real" sand track?

If Bane was born in the darkness, Jeffrey Herlings was born in the sand.
TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Well, Herlings should come to Southwick which is an EASY sand track and shut everyone up.....no?
he wants to race southwick, he's said it a few times (ktm wouldnt let him last year) - do you think he wouldnt win at southwick?

DC said (after seeing herlings race at valkenswaard) that herlings could race southwick and win both classes
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Hanaa80 12/28/2012 1:48pm
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125 wrote:
Some places are sandier than others. In the U.S., we call them "beaches" and scantily clad women walk around on them. In tiny little, over-developed European...
Some places are sandier than others. In the U.S., we call them "beaches" and scantily clad women walk around on them. In tiny little, over-developed European countries you call them "race tracks" because there really is nowhere else to build a track.

Belgium has 5 tracks in the entire country? Such a shame. Shame, indeed.
Well, Belgium is a tiny country after all. Not much room for race tracks.

Motocross83 12/28/2012 2:21pm
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Motocross83 wrote:
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo. No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey...
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo.

No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey was even able to catch him at all, broke the laws of reality. It was insane how much time he was taking out of everybody and there's not a rider in the world other than Herlings who could track down a holeshotting Cairoli round Lommel after crashing round the first turn and starting in almost dead last. OK he didn't win. But considering the above he had no business winning. The fact he got anywhere near the lead is in itself ridiculous.
TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why...
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why would he ride 3-4 sec faster if he didn 't need to? On the other hand....name one person that had Ricky covered EVER if Ricky didn't make his own bad luck. Dave
AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why would he ride 3-4 sec faster if he didn 't need to?

Well of course, ultimately the question we don't know is.... if he'd had to, could Tony have beaten Jeffrey if they'd completed the first lap together side by side (or with Jeffrey at least with a top 10 start)? Admittedly it's impossible to know for sure until they face off again. But I just can't quite get over how much time Jeffrey took out of Tony. The more you re-watch the race the less and less believable it is; even with AC not giving his all. I think in the end JH ran out of steam and sure, no doubt AC upped his game just enough.

On the other hand....name one person that had Ricky covered EVER if Ricky didn't make his own bad luck. Dave

As 2strokerider said, Sebastian and Robbie both spring to mind. But of course I agree Ricky was amazing. I don't know how he'd fare round a place like Lommel in his prime (or how James Stewart would today) but everywhere else he was phenomenal.
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AC222 and Herlings at this moment.

AMA Motocross has an open invitation to Herlings. Tomac and Baggett are waiting.
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AC222 and Herlings at this moment.

AMA Motocross has an open invitation to Herlings. Tomac and Baggett are waiting.
Im not saying hes the best ever but Matt Goerke can get around a sand track better than most! and the kid does not know the word quit! Ill say put that kid in the sand and he will make a race of it no matter who is there.Matt rides with is hart on his sleeve

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Didnt Goerke win an O/A at Southwick? FL boys love sand
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Laughing my ass off with the RC doubter statements. Please watch youtubes
thrillbillie91 12/28/2012 2:51pm
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Motocross83 wrote:
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo. No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey...
You have to say Jeffrey Herlings by a country mile imo.

No doubt Cairoli is also very good as we all know. But the fact Jeffrey was even able to catch him at all, broke the laws of reality. It was insane how much time he was taking out of everybody and there's not a rider in the world other than Herlings who could track down a holeshotting Cairoli round Lommel after crashing round the first turn and starting in almost dead last. OK he didn't win. But considering the above he had no business winning. The fact he got anywhere near the lead is in itself ridiculous.
TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why...
Just remember......AC didn't NEED to ride that hard so why should he. He's a smart dude....he knew when Herlings was close and picked up the pace.....why would he ride 3-4 sec faster if he didn 't need to? On the other hand....name one person that had Ricky covered EVER if Ricky didn't make his own bad luck. Dave
i'd say tortelli....ricky said himself that seb had him covered at times (as said above)

i dont think anyone else has put it to the top mx1 guy AC this year and ama450 guy RV (last year in france) at just making 18
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thrillbillie91 wrote:
i'd say tortelli....ricky said himself that seb had him covered at times (as said above) i dont think anyone else has put it to the top...
i'd say tortelli....ricky said himself that seb had him covered at times (as said above)

i dont think anyone else has put it to the top mx1 guy AC this year and ama450 guy RV (last year in france) at just making 18
Can anyone put up a video or a link to some results were tortelli has beaten RC? i've never come across a video on youtube, so i'm just curious Smile
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By the way... I cannot wait to the GH US MXDN. The Euros look like they throw one hell of party. Going to be awesome to experience this race.
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TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:
Well, Herlings should come to Southwick which is an EASY sand track and shut everyone up.....no?
Yea but Southwick isn't Southwick enough or something like that.
thrillbillie91 12/28/2012 4:14pm
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check out some early 2000 nationals i'm sure tony blazer has put some up on youtube, 01,02 tortelli def had the speed and in post race interviews rc used to talk about it....check red bud 01 when he ran out of gas
and one of the 2000 mx des nations motos where tortelli finished the deal

also 99 glen helen ..... that moto reminds me of lierop this year with JH on another planet
thrillbillie91 12/28/2012 4:27pm
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and most people in 99-00 supercross season Wink no disrespect to the goat he paid his dues those years
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thrillbillie91 wrote:
check out some early 2000 nationals i'm sure tony blazer has put some up on youtube, 01,02 tortelli def had the speed and in post race...
check out some early 2000 nationals i'm sure tony blazer has put some up on youtube, 01,02 tortelli def had the speed and in post race interviews rc used to talk about it....check red bud 01 when he ran out of gas
and one of the 2000 mx des nations motos where tortelli finished the deal

also 99 glen helen ..... that moto reminds me of lierop this year with JH on another planet
I have seen the races. What you have failed to realize is that RC has a next gear. He has proven it through his career. Seb couldnt keep RC in sight in 2002. Lets not forget 2003...... and so on
thrillbillie91 12/28/2012 4:43pm
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i'm a massive goat fan but you have to respect the guys who took it too him, even vohland in 99 on the 125

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