Unions losing GAIN!!! Romney is right

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How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the US.
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And where did the "lyin bastard Romney" thread go? Didn't even take a pit stop at the dungeon? LOL
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10/30/2012 7:16am
newmann wrote:
How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the...
How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the US.
That's how the free market works, right? Sell to the highest bidder?


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newmann wrote:
And where did the "lyin bastard Romney" thread go? Didn't even take a pit stop at the dungeon? LOL
Yeah, what happened to that? I linked to this same story yesterday (from Bloomberg News) on that thread, and now it's gone.

How does that happen?

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Yep, instead of running an efficient profitable ship, just let it go all to shit. Good stuff. Next thing, we can get the Chinese to build us a bridge across San Francisco Bay.....oh wait.
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newmann wrote:
And where did the "lyin bastard Romney" thread go? Didn't even take a pit stop at the dungeon? LOL
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Yeah, what happened to that? I linked to this same story yesterday (from Bloomberg News) on that thread, and now it's gone. How does that happen...
Yeah, what happened to that? I linked to this same story yesterday (from Bloomberg News) on that thread, and now it's gone.

How does that happen?
Must not have met the lefty's standards when it started to go all to shit.
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From US News and World Report:

Based on a news story by Bloomberg, Romney's take was misleading enough for Jeep to issue a clarification on its website.

"Let's set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China," wrote Gualberto Ranieri, Jeep's senior vice president of corporate communications.

"It's simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments."
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10/30/2012 7:39am
newmann wrote:
How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the...
How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the US.
A few years ago, it was in the hands of Daimler-Benz, before they gave up on it.

Chrysler has been shaky for years since it was bailed out back in the '80s.
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GM and Ford already have a good number of components being mfgd. in China. Not sure about Chrysler. Just seeing more and more "made in China" labels on GM and Ford boxes the last couple of years. Funny shit when you want to buy an American made vehicle and have to start looking at Toyota and Honda.
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10/30/2012 7:44am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2012 7:44am
indy_maico wrote:
From US News and World Report: Based on a news story by Bloomberg, Romney's take was misleading enough for Jeep to issue a clarification on its...
From US News and World Report:

Based on a news story by Bloomberg, Romney's take was misleading enough for Jeep to issue a clarification on its website.

"Let's set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China," wrote Gualberto Ranieri, Jeep's senior vice president of corporate communications.

"It's simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments."
He's right-they may not be moving to China, here is the relevant info.:

"To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said. "

I read that carefully several times and it says nothing about China.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-28/marchionne-seen-missing-fia…
10/30/2012 7:46am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2012 7:46am
The Japanese Manf.'s build plants in right to work states for a reason!

That reason is to maintain control and stay profitable.
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10/30/2012 7:46am
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How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the...
How Chrysler could end up in the hands of a company like Fiat speaks volumes to the level of stupidity that runs rampant here in the US.
indy_maico wrote:
A few years ago, it was in the hands of Daimler-Benz, before they gave up on it. Chrysler has been shaky for years since it was...
A few years ago, it was in the hands of Daimler-Benz, before they gave up on it.

Chrysler has been shaky for years since it was bailed out back in the '80s.
The Mercedes input is still lingering and will for years to come. The cars they built together have a good portion of Mercedes supplied parts. The mfgs have to continue to supply parts for ten years I believe but with some of the mergers breaking up , parts are getting hard to come by for some of the brands. Shared platform cars are the worst.
10/30/2012 8:00am
It is amusing how every time the Libs try to paint Romney as a liar or for "politicizing events"about three or four days later it always turns out he was right all along.

Romnified: /ˈRomniˌfīd/
Adjective: The common occurrence of the Liberal Media and the silly people who believe them to declare a statement by Mitt Romney a lie that is shortly demonstrated or proven to be just, right, or valid:
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Explain this stupid, stupid remark.
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That he heard Chrysler was moving production overseas?
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Nah, no pictures, just a link to something from Romney showing that would be fine. A factual guy like you should have no problem finding it.
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It is amusing how every time the Libs try to paint Romney as a liar or for "politicizing events"about three or four days later it always...
It is amusing how every time the Libs try to paint Romney as a liar or for "politicizing events"about three or four days later it always turns out he was right all along.

Romnified: /ˈRomniˌfīd/
Adjective: The common occurrence of the Liberal Media and the silly people who believe them to declare a statement by Mitt Romney a lie that is shortly demonstrated or proven to be just, right, or valid:
So he is not a liar?

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” Romney said during a rally in Defiance, Ohio, before 12,000 cheering supporters, according to several reports. “I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it’s fair, America will win.”

Romney apparently was referencing conservative bloggers who misrepresented a Bloomberg story from Monday that discussed Chrysler’s decision to consider starting Jeep production in China, the world’s largest new-vehicle market.

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In fact, Chrysler is investing $500 million at its Toledo North Assembly Plant and plans to add 1,105 new workers by the third quarter of 2013 to build an all-new SUV that will replace the Jeep Liberty.

Production of the new SUV will begin next summer and the hiring process for the new workers, who are scheduled to start by the next fall, has begun, said Chrysler spokeswoman Jodi Tinson.

Romney’s comments were immediately skewered by auto industry observers and Romney’s political opponents because Chrysler added about 7,000 workers in the U.S. and Canada since emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2009.

The company is planning to add about 900 workers at its pickup plant in Warren by March.

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Explain this stupid, stupid remark.
Ford took the high road and gutted it out. They are better off because of it as far as I am concerned. They are gouging the shit out of their customers on some parts prices though. Of course here is a good Chrysler parts story for you. Bought a bedside panel for a Ram dually the last week of September for approx. $950.00. My porter here at the shop was on vacation that week so I had a nearby detail shop wash the truck up when we were done with repairs. They wrecked the damn thing and caved in the bedside we had just installed! The first of October I order another bedside and it comes in priced at over $1900.00. Chrysler had a price increase on Oct. 1st. Price increase?? Price increase usually involves a small percentage, not double or nothing!
10/30/2012 8:19am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2012 8:20am
He is right that Chrysler is considering moving it's Jeep production to China.

Here is what Romney said:

"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China."

Here is the article.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.
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10/30/2012 8:20am
If a company is worth a shit, private investors will buy it out of BK. If it's not worth a shit it will die away as it should. This is how a free market system works. Little to no chance this would have happened to GM because of its brand recognition alone.

You are indeed a stupid man.
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JLong wrote:
If a company is worth a shit, private investors will buy it out of BK. If it's not worth a shit it will die away as...
If a company is worth a shit, private investors will buy it out of BK. If it's not worth a shit it will die away as it should. This is how a free market system works. Little to no chance this would have happened to GM because of its brand recognition alone.

You are indeed a stupid man.
This is all good in theory, but remember when this all took place, banks were failing, credit dried up.

Without the government stepping in, it would have been nearly impossible for private financing to be found on a large enough scale to rescue GM and Chrysler.
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Boy, of ALL the people on this board I would think YOU would know that bankruptcy is an opportunity to "restructure". Where do you get this "no chance of recovery, aka total failure" bullshit?

If GM had gone through a "managed" bankruptcy, as suggested by Romney, they would have come out of it in far better shape than they are now. You ever see those big silver things taking off at the airport..........yeah those airplanes........most of the large carriers have gone through bankruptcy, look up in the sky.......they're still flying.
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Do me a favor, read (or have your caretaker read to you) the actual article Romney wrote (it's easy to find). Then come back here and point out to me where he wanted them to fail. Maybe do some research on the word "bankrupt" too-I don't think it means what you think it does. GM did go bankrupt, it just wasn't managed the way bankruptcies normally are and did not allow for renegotiating contracts in a way that would help insure long-term viability.
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10/30/2012 8:33am
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
This^^^
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10/30/2012 8:43am
Bob Lutz, the vice chairman of GM at the time and an outspoken Republican himself, said the loan guarantees Romney talks about would not have made a difference due to the cash crunch at the time.

"The banks were even more broke than we were. Who had the money?" he told the Detroit Free Press in February. "Loan guarantees don't do any good if the banks don't have any money."

Without financing, both companies would have had to close. And even if they had survived, they could be struggling today rather than reporting record profits and strong sales. Many of their suppliers would have also been forced to shut down, and that could have caused bankruptcies at other automakers such as Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500), which would have been unable to build cars without their supplier base.

Lutz said Tuesday that the government was the only one willing to give GM most of the help it needed in return for stock in the company, rather than heaping on more debt that it couldn't afford. Even the Obama administration was reluctant to do that, Lutz said. But it was the only way a healthy GM could emerge from bankruptcy.

"Why perpetuate the problem with $53 billion of new debt, at an annual interest cost of, say, $3 billion?," Lutz said. Private financing would have left GM with "enough debt to wreck the future of a recovering GM."

from CNN
10/30/2012 8:51am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2012 8:51am
What's not true? As Romney pointed out to another person who argued like a child.

“Look, I got five boys. I’m used to people saying something that’s not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I will believe it.”
10/30/2012 8:56am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2012 8:56am
That is the best you got. You are a Joke.

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