So. Radios?

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Edited Date/Time 10/22/2012 12:06pm
They screwed it up on TV, but do I understand that the riders at MEC were communicating with their pits? That's been strictly verboten in AMA stuff. Although I think it's a natural progression to a wider audience.

(it was Alessi in moto 1, if you missed it)
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10/21/2012 9:00pm
I wish we could have heard what Dungey was sayin.... Especially in the 2nd moto
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10/21/2012 10:14pm
hartebreak wrote:
I wish we could have heard what Dungey was sayin.... Especially in the 2nd moto
No you don't. I'd guess that it wouldn't have made sense anyway, with all the bleeps. Wink

Mike's setup was a two-way, and allowed several people to monitor what he was saying, or was being told by Mike Genova.

On his setup he had to reach up and push a button to talk. There was also an option that allowed his to be voice activated, but the bike was loud enough that it would activate...often.
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10/21/2012 11:28pm
I cant think of a worse distraction than having someone blabbing in your ear while you are trying to make it through the rhythm section.
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10/22/2012 6:07am
I think it could be really useful IF the rider is in control and can toggle it off/on at will. Much better and less distracting than having to pick out your pit board in a sea of pit boards.

I also think fans would find it really interesting.

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I think it could be really useful IF the rider is in control and can toggle it off/on at will. Much better and less distracting than...
I think it could be really useful IF the rider is in control and can toggle it off/on at will. Much better and less distracting than having to pick out your pit board in a sea of pit boards.

I also think fans would find it really interesting.
Dungeys button was on the engine cover and they had lot to talk about
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I think it could be really useful IF the rider is in control and can toggle it off/on at will. Much better and less distracting than...
I think it could be really useful IF the rider is in control and can toggle it off/on at will. Much better and less distracting than having to pick out your pit board in a sea of pit boards.

I also think fans would find it really interesting.
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10/22/2012 6:56am
If I am correct this was not an AMA sanctioned race so anything goes. But check with DC because he would know.
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10/22/2012 7:01am
I think it would be a great addition to the sport. For as much that NASCAR does wrong, there is quite a bit that they do right to draw the fans in. Letting the fans into the minds of the pit crew and racer is one of those things that they do correct. Another thing that would be VERY neat is if we had GPS and a heart rate monitor on the riders. Imagine tuning in on a rider and watching him bobble, watching the heart rate spike at over 200 (this would reveal just what kind of extremes these athletes are pushed to for the casual viewer), hearing the team calm the rider over the radio, etc... The GPS would be great so that they could do an actual section timing, as well as show just how much lower a rider scrubbed over a triple and how much time they saved.
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10/22/2012 7:20am
They didn't need the radios. More of a distraction than an advantage.
There was a switchback before the joker lane where a racer could tell how much gap he had behind him.

Tomac played it perfectly when he closed the gap on Dungey and took the joker lane. He got the automatic pass on Dungey and Barcia the next lap.
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10/22/2012 7:25am
Stupid idea. Could you hear when they aired 800's signal?
No?

There ya go.
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10/22/2012 7:41am




Well ... at least Mike won't have to spend valuable time looking over his shoulder anymore ...

"... breaker 1-9 .. this is rubber ducky ... Dungy is making a move up the right side .... cut hard right ................ NOW ..... whew that was close good buddy ...... we got ourselves a convoy .... over."
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10/22/2012 7:53am
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone.

It does nothing to help you. Nascar they talk because they need info for pitstops and what not. Not in MX/SX.

Hope this was just an MEC thing.
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10/22/2012 7:56am
IceMan446 wrote:
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone. It does nothing to help...
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone.

It does nothing to help you. Nascar they talk because they need info for pitstops and what not. Not in MX/SX.

Hope this was just an MEC thing.
Well if you couldn't handle someone talking to you, you could certainly opt out of it. But I think it would be interesting for those who want it. I'm sure it wouldn't be constant jabber from your mechanic - probably just the same stuff that the riders see on the pitboard.
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10/22/2012 8:16am
IceMan446 wrote:
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone. It does nothing to help...
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone.

It does nothing to help you. Nascar they talk because they need info for pitstops and what not. Not in MX/SX.

Hope this was just an MEC thing.
That doesn't happen if the rider has the on/off switch. He only talks/listens when HE wants to. Like in the section where he normally has to look for a pit board or to report a problem.

I can think of several times when better communication would have been useful. A pit board is one-way telephone line. It's a no-brainer that 2-way is superior. Like voice phones are more effective than morse code. Otherwise we'd all still be tapping out dashes and dots.

When Dungey's gas cap came off earlier this year, for example, so the crew knew (sooner) what had happened, MXDN to stay abreast of rival points and general status.

I think it'd work fine. No one is forcing it on anyone, either.
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10/22/2012 8:19am
Braaap14 wrote:
Stupid idea. Could you hear when they aired 800's signal?
No?

There ya go.
Yeah. They'll never be able to improve this stuff..Whistling .
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10/22/2012 9:32am
IceMan446 wrote:
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone. It does nothing to help...
Stupid idea and I wouldnt want to be talking or hearing someone talk to me while I am battling with someone.

It does nothing to help you. Nascar they talk because they need info for pitstops and what not. Not in MX/SX.

Hope this was just an MEC thing.
That doesn't happen if the rider has the on/off switch. He only talks/listens when HE wants to. Like in the section where he normally has to...
That doesn't happen if the rider has the on/off switch. He only talks/listens when HE wants to. Like in the section where he normally has to look for a pit board or to report a problem.

I can think of several times when better communication would have been useful. A pit board is one-way telephone line. It's a no-brainer that 2-way is superior. Like voice phones are more effective than morse code. Otherwise we'd all still be tapping out dashes and dots.

When Dungey's gas cap came off earlier this year, for example, so the crew knew (sooner) what had happened, MXDN to stay abreast of rival points and general status.

I think it'd work fine. No one is forcing it on anyone, either.
Agree!!! I dunno who make the rules for AMA racing but they should be fired.
10/22/2012 9:53am
You guys seriously think it's more dangerous to have a radio than to look away from your racing line towards a tiny pit-board every lap? Yeah, you wouldn't want them talking to you during a rhythm section but it's your team, they know when to talk and when not to. I think it could be much safer, especially in a situation where there's an issue with the bike or a downed rider that they can't see.

I always think it's safer to have the option to communicate than nothing at all. I liked it.

Besides, back in the 90s when they started playing with helmet cams everyone would say how stupid that is and how you can't see much anyway and it's so heavy on the rider. Some even required a backpack for the battery! Now look how far we've come with the Go-Pros!
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10/22/2012 10:56am
TriRacer27 wrote:
You guys seriously think it's more dangerous to have a radio than to look away from your racing line towards a tiny pit-board every lap? Yeah...
You guys seriously think it's more dangerous to have a radio than to look away from your racing line towards a tiny pit-board every lap? Yeah, you wouldn't want them talking to you during a rhythm section but it's your team, they know when to talk and when not to. I think it could be much safer, especially in a situation where there's an issue with the bike or a downed rider that they can't see.

I always think it's safer to have the option to communicate than nothing at all. I liked it.

Besides, back in the 90s when they started playing with helmet cams everyone would say how stupid that is and how you can't see much anyway and it's so heavy on the rider. Some even required a backpack for the battery! Now look how far we've come with the Go-Pros!
Back in 2009 when I was attending the prerace meetings b4 the nationals, radios were being discussed rather diligently back then, I think it would be a great addition for safety and race strategy and yea 800 wouldn't have to look over his shoulder so much, lmfao!!
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10/22/2012 12:06pm
The arguement has always been that spotters will tell the riders when they are about to be passed and they will be instructed on what to do to defend their spot.

It would seem pretty simple to design a system with a 5 or 10 second delay in the radio signal being transmitted.

AMA should come up with a system and provide them to all those that qualify. One receiver, and one transmitter.

They need to do something because the mechanic areas look PODUNK on the tv shows and it is only matter of time before a rider loses control and cleans out the line.

The same is true for the line of ez ups they use at the Nationals. They are often on the outside of corners and are a disaster waiting to happen.

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