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burnside 9/29/2012 11:56am
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DirtBikeRider wrote:
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen...
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen, Cairoli beat mike allessi in both races, so whats you point? Alessi would of riden Glen Helen loads of times and Cairoli hasnt, but still went out and beat him ! ......
Thats a good point, the GP guys were on home soil and none of the US pros turned up.
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No excuses, were going to win brother. Cool
haha. Sad thing is, you're probably right. haha. Not individual races though Wink
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don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1, Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves...
don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1,

Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves a million bucks at the Monster Energy Cup, they should have all of those guys covered...........right? They are the best riders in the world you say.............? I mean, apparently Antony-oo has Dungey covered, and Jiffery is just the fastest thing ever to ride a motorcicle...........label me confused but i just don't understand why they don't come over here and clean up and make the big bucks............

What do you guys think?
My guess? And this is just conjecture of course... is that winning over there pays better. Sometimes it's not about whipping out the measuring tape. It's about the number of zeros on your check. AC222 obviously has nothing to gain from coming over here to actually battle when he's winning the "World Championship" with relative ease. The guy is fast as lightning but the reality is that the cultural barrier coupled with leaving "home" is a HUGE obstacle to tackle when considering a move like that. When Jimmy and Gregg Albertson went over for the GP's I know that it was a huge culture shock with languages changing weekend to weekend, and a hard adjustment to keep in touch with family and friends back home. It definitely put the idea of "hopping the pond" into perspective for me at least.
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What are you talking about dude? I'm talking about Americans training/living in SX, and the Euros training/living in the sand. And for your added comment look...
What are you talking about dude? I'm talking about Americans training/living in SX, and the Euros training/living in the sand.
And for your added comment look at the post above your original
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not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen...
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen, Cairoli beat mike allessi in both races, so whats you point? Alessi would of riden Glen Helen loads of times and Cairoli hasnt, but still went out and beat him ! ......
fgb729 wrote:
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter? For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros...
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter?

For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros training/living in the sand. You say most hate it but i know AC and Herlings dont
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.

Much like what is happening this weekend."

so i said that when the GP went to the USA they didnt get to train on the track before they rode it, but Cairoli still went and beat Alessi on home soil.

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fgb729 9/29/2012 12:02pm
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What are you talking about dude? I'm talking about Americans training/living in SX, and the Euros training/living in the sand. And for your added comment look...
What are you talking about dude? I'm talking about Americans training/living in SX, and the Euros training/living in the sand.
And for your added comment look at the post above your original
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what did you say here? [quote] my point is to put those riders on a [b]track they haven't trained on, for 10 days[/b], then have them...
what did you say here?
my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.


And since when does US not have any sand? Few weeks/months/years ago what the GP fans said about them owning the sand was not true. And now all of a sudden it is?

Supercross and motocross are 2 whole different things. MXdN is motocross, outdoors is motocross. Or are you saying you got a big experience disadvantage like the GP riders would have if they where thrown into SX, without the years of experience the US riders have at it? The comparison to SX and MX in sand looks kinda dodgy to me.
What i said there was talking about SX. And how often have the euro guys said "we dont have their sand and that their sand is different" SX and MX are 2 different things, as are hardpack and sand. And no I don't consider southwick to be the same as lommel considering it has a much harder base. Almost completely different in fact from what I saw today.
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And in that perspective, just look at what Rockzen is doing in the US.
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not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen...
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen, Cairoli beat mike allessi in both races, so whats you point? Alessi would of riden Glen Helen loads of times and Cairoli hasnt, but still went out and beat him ! ......
fgb729 wrote:
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter? For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros...
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter?

For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros training/living in the sand. You say most hate it but i know AC and Herlings dont
DirtBikeRider wrote:
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have...
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.

Much like what is happening this weekend."

so i said that when the GP went to the USA they didnt get to train on the track before they rode it, but Cairoli still went and beat Alessi on home soil.
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
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kongols 9/29/2012 12:09pm
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fgb729 wrote:
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
You do understand that you`re mixing terrain with form of racing??
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DirtBikeRider wrote:
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen...
not all euro riders live and train in the sand, alot of them hate it ! but when the GPs went and raced at Glen Helen, Cairoli beat mike allessi in both races, so whats you point? Alessi would of riden Glen Helen loads of times and Cairoli hasnt, but still went out and beat him ! ......
fgb729 wrote:
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter? For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros...
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter?

For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros training/living in the sand. You say most hate it but i know AC and Herlings dont
DirtBikeRider wrote:
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have...
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.

Much like what is happening this weekend."

so i said that when the GP went to the USA they didnt get to train on the track before they rode it, but Cairoli still went and beat Alessi on home soil.
Cough......While stuck in 3rd gear....cough...
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Katoom72 wrote:
And in that perspective, just look at what Rockzen is doing in the US.
He's had 2 full 250 class sx seasons, not ten days.
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don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1, Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves...
don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1,

Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves a million bucks at the Monster Energy Cup, they should have all of those guys covered...........right? They are the best riders in the world you say.............? I mean, apparently Antony-oo has Dungey covered, and Jiffery is just the fastest thing ever to ride a motorcicle...........label me confused but i just don't understand why they don't come over here and clean up and make the big bucks............

What do you guys think?
fgb729 wrote:
I agree, coming from you EUROS Herlings makes Barcia look stupid so why doesn't he race him on something other than sand? And all of the...
I agree, coming from you EUROS Herlings makes Barcia look stupid so why doesn't he race him on something other than sand? And all of the euro riders practice in deep sand all the time and live in it, well, we live in SX, so why not come here for 10 days and train in it, then we'll race.
Because the GP series with Lommel,Leirop and Valkensvaard on the calender,hardpack,manmade,different countries and continents and a couple of mudders etc is the toughest series of them all?

They're earning plenty where they are and as you see today,its tough across in the other series,but Americans can't understand that
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fgb729 9/29/2012 12:10pm
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Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
kongols wrote:
You do understand that you`re mixing terrain with form of racing??
Yes, you do realize I'm talking advantage and disadvantage?
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kongols 9/29/2012 12:11pm
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fgb729 wrote:
He's had 2 full 250 class sx seasons, not ten days.
This was his first season.
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Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter? For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros...
Where did Mike Alessi come into play, or Glen Helen for that matter?

For the last time, I'm referring to Americans training/living in SX, and euros training/living in the sand. You say most hate it but i know AC and Herlings dont
DirtBikeRider wrote:
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have...
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.

Much like what is happening this weekend."

so i said that when the GP went to the USA they didnt get to train on the track before they rode it, but Cairoli still went and beat Alessi on home soil.
fgb729 wrote:
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
yeah okay, but when the nations was at thunder valley, no one got to ride the track before so they could get used to the high altitude, and get the bike set up right... so they was at a disadvantage there ! but as america got to ride half of lommel in the week they are at an advantage ! it works both ways, dont think that america are at a disadvantage becuase they are not !
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If the USA wins, there will be people saying "yea but you didnt win the races", and if they win races but not the overall, they will say "yea, but you didnt win the MXdN and the chamberlin trophy. Why bother arguing? Watch the race and enjoy the day.

From what AC222 showed today, the best race will be mx1/mx3 with him and Herlings. I cant wait.
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don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1, Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves...
don't they fly on over and run with Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Canard and Barcia at A1,

Hell, they can easily come over and win themselves a million bucks at the Monster Energy Cup, they should have all of those guys covered...........right? They are the best riders in the world you say.............? I mean, apparently Antony-oo has Dungey covered, and Jiffery is just the fastest thing ever to ride a motorcicle...........label me confused but i just don't understand why they don't come over here and clean up and make the big bucks............

What do you guys think?
fgb729 wrote:
I agree, coming from you EUROS Herlings makes Barcia look stupid so why doesn't he race him on something other than sand? And all of the...
I agree, coming from you EUROS Herlings makes Barcia look stupid so why doesn't he race him on something other than sand? And all of the euro riders practice in deep sand all the time and live in it, well, we live in SX, so why not come here for 10 days and train in it, then we'll race.
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Because the GP series with Lommel,Leirop and Valkensvaard on the calender,hardpack,manmade,different countries and continents and a couple of mudders etc is the toughest series of them...
Because the GP series with Lommel,Leirop and Valkensvaard on the calender,hardpack,manmade,different countries and continents and a couple of mudders etc is the toughest series of them all?

They're earning plenty where they are and as you see today,its tough across in the other series,but Americans can't understand that
what? I'm not discrediting anyone, I'm simply talking about advantages
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kongols 9/29/2012 12:14pm
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Yes, you do realize I'm talking advantage and disadvantage?
Motocross is motocross, supercross is supercross. Some even call it stupidcross, but all of the sudden it`s the most important form of racing just to belittle other racers.
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fgb729 9/29/2012 12:15pm
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DirtBikeRider wrote:
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have...
where you said "That's not my point, my point is to put those riders on a track they haven't trained on, for 10 days, then have them race the best in the world on that track.

Much like what is happening this weekend."

so i said that when the GP went to the USA they didnt get to train on the track before they rode it, but Cairoli still went and beat Alessi on home soil.
fgb729 wrote:
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
DirtBikeRider wrote:
yeah okay, but when the nations was at thunder valley, no one got to ride the track before so they could get used to the high...
yeah okay, but when the nations was at thunder valley, no one got to ride the track before so they could get used to the high altitude, and get the bike set up right... so they was at a disadvantage there ! but as america got to ride half of lommel in the week they are at an advantage ! it works both ways, dont think that america are at a disadvantage becuase they are not !
But they are dude. It's a very clear disadvantage.

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kongols 9/29/2012 12:17pm
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fgb729 wrote:
But they are dude. It's a very clear disadvantage.
I thought they are all from Florida which is pretty much all sand? What has changed suddenly?
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If americans think they are so good why don`t they race World Championship and face Cairoli and Herlings?
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I've never seen some of you guys so scared. Its pathetic! haha. Like Hank said, enjoy it.
No matters who wins tomorrow, the sun is still going to come out and life will go on.

Just enjoy the race and don't let it get so personal.
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Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
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yeah okay, but when the nations was at thunder valley, no one got to ride the track before so they could get used to the high...
yeah okay, but when the nations was at thunder valley, no one got to ride the track before so they could get used to the high altitude, and get the bike set up right... so they was at a disadvantage there ! but as america got to ride half of lommel in the week they are at an advantage ! it works both ways, dont think that america are at a disadvantage becuase they are not !
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But they are dude. It's a very clear disadvantage.
like all the other riders where at a disadvantage at thunder valley, team usa was able to go from what they learned from the AMA round there, no one else was able to do that ! USA got to test on half of lommel, no one got to do that at thunder valley to try and get some sort of idea of how to set the bike up right !
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Katoom72 9/29/2012 12:23pm
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fgb729 wrote:
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys...
Because that's a motocross track. He wouldn't do the same on an SX track, which was my original point. GP guys train in sand(some), AMA guys train at SX........ I don't know how to put it any clearer. I'm not trying to bash riders, they're all incredibly talented. I'm saying we're at a disadvantage racing something we've got 10 days on, like the GP guys would on an SX track
No one said he would, ofcourse the chances of him winning would be very small.
But you are comparing motocross to supercross. Those are different forms of racing, not only the soil they race on.

And what country ever got 10 days of training on a track before the MXdN? We could start the discussion about how the US got all the advantages over other countries....wanna go there aswell?
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Motocross is motocross, supercross is supercross. Some even call it stupidcross, but all of the sudden it`s the most important form of racing just to belittle...
Motocross is motocross, supercross is supercross. Some even call it stupidcross, but all of the sudden it`s the most important form of racing just to belittle other racers.
I never viewed as important, and I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. ALL I said was that if the gp guys had 10 days to train on an sx track, they would get beat.

And I thought Roczen raced sx in 2011 before his final season in the gps?
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fgb729 9/29/2012 12:24pm
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But they are dude. It's a very clear disadvantage.
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I thought they are all from Florida which is pretty much all sand? What has changed suddenly?
those arent my words brother
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Motocross is motocross, supercross is supercross. Some even call it stupidcross, but all of the sudden it`s the most important form of racing just to belittle...
Motocross is motocross, supercross is supercross. Some even call it stupidcross, but all of the sudden it`s the most important form of racing just to belittle other racers.
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I never viewed as important, and I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. ALL I said was that if the gp guys had 10 days to train...
I never viewed as important, and I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. ALL I said was that if the gp guys had 10 days to train on an sx track, they would get beat.

And I thought Roczen raced sx in 2011 before his final season in the gps?
He raced like 6(?) SX's? Oh and he won his very first SX ever in vegas by the way. Smile
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fgb729 9/29/2012 12:29pm
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No one said he would, ofcourse the chances of him winning would be very small. But you are comparing motocross to supercross. Those are different forms...
No one said he would, ofcourse the chances of him winning would be very small.
But you are comparing motocross to supercross. Those are different forms of racing, not only the soil they race on.

And what country ever got 10 days of training on a track before the MXdN? We could start the discussion about how the US got all the advantages over other countries....wanna go there aswell?
I know DUDDEEEEEEE, I'm just comparing advantages and disadvantages.

And sure why not. Team USA only got to ride there one day, and the GP guys also got one day that week, on Wednesday. So what's your problem with that.
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He raced like 6(?) SX's? Oh and he won his very first SX ever in vegas by the way. Smile
That's great hes a good dude and deserved it. But how long did he train for that, surely longer than 10 days man.
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Funny shit ! The race has not been raced yet and you US guys already come up with excuses !
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Never seen such sore losers and the gate hasn't even dropped! My face is red raw from so many

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