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You cant, and that proves my point.
Sore losers will find an excuse any way they can.
Didnt say they were individually better, but as a whole the US is better. And has been more times then not.
But you and I both know, the best GP riders all want to come to the states. Because this is where the fastest riders are.
Just look at their amateur program over there. It's head and heels above anything anywhere else in the world.
That's why they got so many riders to choose from.
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It's not like we send 100 riders.
Belgium could win this year.
And it would be because their guys rode the best and worked the hardest IMO and were the best.
Not because they are a bigger country then Monaco.
I mean really...Latvia,Netherlands,Denmark, Estonia,Croatia,Ireland,Czech Republic, Austria, Italy,Finland.....
The all should beat Belgium this year,based on your population argument....their population is larger.
If they don't,your argument holds no water. IMO - whether they have 1000 more people or 10 trillion more people or a godzillion MX racers.
Now if Belgium beats them -it will be because they worked harder ,trained harder and raced harder as a team and they were greater MX Nation on that day.
Nothing is stopping the back markers from twisting the throttle anymore....and it definitely isn't population that is stopping them from riding faster.
And our rider pool isn't due to population.
We just have more riders who work harder and want it!
Just like Spain with Soccer.
And yes Soccer is a team sport and the MXoN is a team event.
Each team might a have great player,but they may not have as many greats as Spain.
Spain is an elite soccer country. So they have more greats then the USA ect... IMO
Haven't you heard?
It's really all about that Magic Sand and the fact that RD can't ride sand!
Fool!
Jus' like Donny Schmit before him. He couldn't ride sand, either...and you jus' know the Euro's kicked his ass, too...didn't they?
I mean, come on...EVERYONE jus' KNOWS that you Minnesota guys ain't got no sand!
DUH!
(Now, it's up to you to get out those pics of wtf a real SAND TRACK looks like.....bwahahahahahahaha!)
All MXer's in Ireland should move to China or India.
Then they can beat us....due to the far greater population.
Mccread - I swear if Belgium does win ,I will never let you live the population argument down,buddy.
France had bad luck for the 2nd year in a row this year when Frossard got hurt
Italy the same with Phillipaerts
Belgian lost Desalle last year
They need that 3rd rider
I think the size and population has to come into it but your point about programs,training etc is very valid,pretty much spot on
The USA were poor at Football but they are slowly becoming very good now the infrastructure is maturing,they qualify for the World cup and are making progress all the time
Anyhow you can't nail this down properly,so many factors Coe onto this just like other sports
But I believe years of marketing the sport have helped it grow...especially at local levels here in the USA.
MXSports has helped grow it tremendously with LL's program - that is fact.
With that said our programs have grown at all levels...thus giving us a larger pool.
Kids start working hard at very young ages here chasing the dream.
Once some reach success,others want to join in & follow their footsteps.
To say to a team of Team of RC,JMB,Everts,JS7,RJ,Ward or any of the great teams like GBR or any other winning riders all around the World that the only reason won or podiumed all those years was because of their population...I think it's a bit of an insult to the hard work that they put into achieve the results they did that day as a team.
They won because they rode the fastest and finished ahead of all other teams.
Everyone gets 3 guys. It's up to that country to have all 3 guys up to standard of race speed ...
If they don't ....they get beat...regardless of the size of their country.
We could lose this year - anything is possible.
But others wouldn't win due to size!
Due to the fact that they were better that day!
C'mon guys.. Your team USA (Dungey, Baggett, Barcia) which is at the moment your best possible team (Stewart and villopoto are injured, those 3 are your best sand riders) against team Europe. MX1 Cairoli, MX2 Roczen and MXopen Herlings.
Who will win the mxdn ? USA or Europe. Please do not forget that even team USA still has a bigger population, has more pro riders and more bikes are sold compared to team Europe. Have you got the guts to take up this challenge ?
The MXdN neXt year is going to be INSANE !!! The atmosphere there will be awesome,the GP was electric,let alone when you get all the teams ans fans from all diferrent countries,France was big enough,I'll bet Germany will be bigger
However,I dare you to walk up to Stefan and say to him...the only reason he won the MXoN 5 times is due to the size of Belgiums MX population.
He would laugh in your face.
Country size does not matter at this event.
Having 3 or more trained riders who work their ass off day in & out is what matters.
Then them being the 3 best on that day.
Same goes for the mx of nations. Motocross is not the most popular sport, so there are not many riders to pick. We can have 1 very good rider (like Stefan Everts), and maybe we can find a 2nd one. But to have 3 top riders really is very difficult for such a small country.
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Or does the size thing only count when America wins (well because size is all we can think of).
And you do realize Belgium has won it 14 times I believe and beat larger countries many of other times!
My guess is because they had some kick ass riders who rode their ass off on those days.
Not due to size.
But hey...if America wasn't racing this year,Belgium would be my pick due to their talented riders - not the size of the country or MX community. I guess you guy's couldn't fathom that. lol
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That is because Belgium had three top level riders at that time, but you can't sustain that if you have a smaller population, last year they had a postman riding for them due to injuries, which is my point. It goes in cycles for other countries. Everts would have won a lot more if he was riding for a big country like the USA.
Cairoli doesn't win the nations because the other riders aren't as good as the other riders for USA. not because he isn't as good as the USA. Belgium beat Italy every year at the Nations, but Cairoli is still better than all the Belgians. Just because USA win the nations doesn't mean their riders are individually better than all the other riders.
The USA don't bring three riders from one state for a reason... because they have less choice of good riders being restricted to one state.
If Dungey's state was a country, he would never win the MXDN!
Europe produce as many good riders as the USA do so it has nothing to do with the system etc, but USA don't race Europe at the Nations. Have the three best European riders in a team against the individual states of the USA and the States wouldn't win as many as Europe. All to do with numbers.
It's a lot easier for the USA to win a nations team world title than the individual world title because they have an advantage in the team race.
Poor marketing of the sport on the other side of the pond might hold some water though.
Getting more people interested in it LOCALLY!
I have watched the sport in this country indeed grow over the years.
I seen it go from pretty much nothing to what it is today.
I for one do not believe population has made all that much of an impact on it all like you think.
90% of the people do not know a thing about it.
You are looking at it from the outside.
I'm looking at it from the inside.
We sustain good top level riders because we have an elite grooming foundation to groom riders.
They become far more groomed in the pro ranks also and keep raising the bar every year along with guys from the other side of the pond who push to raise the bar.
Population has nothing to do with how fast JS7,RD5,BB,JB,Tomac,RC,RJ,Emig and all the go or went.
Large population doesn't necessarily control their existence either,or the existence of the sport in this country at the top level or local level.
Sure the pool is deeper here and to have a deeper pool you need to get people involved in the sport at a hardcore racer level. Rarely do any of these racers come from these huge/large populated Cities that fill our country with a huge population.
A lot of these riders come from small towns,places you never heard of. Small local races is how they start.
I bet if you put together the population of the towns they were born in or started racing in you would be shocked at where our talent pool comes from. You guys act like we have huge cities filled with MX racers waiting to take on Europe and that isn't the case at all.
Each and every one of these riders we have here work their asses off to get to where they are.
I would assume,Barcia,BB & Dungey work and train much more harder and more professionally then the guys from the majority of countries attending the event (not saying all).
It doesn't matter what our population is. It means squat!
And it is not only an insult to all the Team USA victories....it is also an insult to all the other countries who have won numerous times,to say it is due to their population. Or to say Team USA should have won,they were lucky to have 3 guys or they got lucky.
The population thing is bullshit to me.
I don't see the problem guys. You always have your mouth full
- of how the American riders are the fastest of the world
- of how the AMA series is the premier series. The world championships is 2nd rate
- of how the american amateur series is just as fast as the world championships
Well, here is you chance guys. You have 2 champions and a runner up coming to Belgium for the biggest race of the season. They can now take on team Europe for a change. Size does not matter, does it ?
Why are you guys so afraid of this bet. Put your money where your mouth is and take me up on this. I say that Cairoli, Roczen and Herlings will completely destroy team USA.
This looks like a fair fight to me. The 3 best European riders against the 3 best American riders. This is your chance to show everybody that American riders really are better then European riders. But you guys keep beating around the bush. What's wrong ? You guys chickening out ?
Euro fanboys= Excuse makers?
It's all in good fun though. If team Europe would win this i will never say that the AMA series is 2nd rate to the worldchampionships because it certainly isn't. According to me it is at a higher level. But the difference is not as big as some of you guys think.
The only reason team USA always wins the nations is because all other country's are to small to have 3 top riders. As Mccread said, a few years ago the 3rd rider of Belgium was an amateur, a postman. Just because there are not enough pro riders. I'm giving you guys the chance to have a fair race. A race against a team of the same size as yours but you guys keep telling that size does not matter. OK, if it doesn't then race against team Europe. Or does size matter after all ?
Bullshit excuse if you ask me.
With a sport of equal interest you'll always (over time ) crush everyone else through sheer population size. That's the key.
If it's a sport you know relatively little about, just as with until fairly recently - soccer... then sure you can be beaten. But just as with soccer now (which is starting to become a lot more popular in America) you'll soon catch up and eventually, given time, overlap everyone else.
China - 1,347,350,000
India - 1,210,193,422
USA - 314,440,000
If size was THE underlying factor on why the USA keeps winning, then where the fuck are China and India in the win categories at the MXdN? And don't give me a bullshit excuse that they are poor and underdeveloped. Both have areas with MILLIONS of people within their borders that are developed and not impoverished.
The fact is that USA has riders that dream of being the best and will do whatever they can to be the best. End of story. Would a "Ryder Cup" style of race be awesome determining the talents of US vs. Euros. YES, it would be fucking awesome and I'd love to see it happen. But there isn't one, we have the MXdN and the USA can consistently field a team of 3 riders because we have participants that truly eat, sleep, and breathe motocross racing.
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