Is Herlings an "as*hole"?

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9/3/2012 3:30am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 3:30am
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So that is what we call a prick now? "Passionate?" Like other posters have said there has been alot of ego freaks that this sport has...
So that is what we call a prick now? "Passionate?" Like other posters have said there has been alot of ego freaks that this sport has a wierd way of straighting out. I highly doubt he will ever set foot here in the USA just like when he avoided the 2010 MXDN in Colorado, because he has seen how much of a uphill battle it has been for Ken and MM. They are alot better overall riders then 'lil bitch too.
Yeah and US avoided MXdN at Lierop aswell...right?

K-rock and Musquin where better at the GP's, that's a fact. But the rest of your post is quite embarrassing...
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The boy is 17 years old, learning every day.. Till he's old and wise just watch him ride that KTM.. Damn, he does that very well...
The boy is 17 years old, learning every day.. Till he's old and wise just watch him ride that KTM.. Damn, he does that very well! Wink For myself, i like a little bit of drama here and there.. Makes it a lot more interesting
The point is he's not learning every day. He hasn't learnt all season despite receiving fines for unacceptable behavior.
if he had not learning every day, despite the fines and behavior things. he realy whould had t boned Searl in Loket after Tommy hit him...
if he had not learning every day, despite the fines and behavior things. he realy whould had t boned Searl in Loket after Tommy hit him when passing. But bad ass Jeff did not, he made a clean pass.
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO.

Herlings sometimes chooses the wrong words in interviews but that doesn't mean he is a prick. For the dutch it is very hard to give an interview in english and make clear what you really think. As dutch native I know dutch grammar is totally different then english grammar and also know that there are a lot of common mistakes which can lead to saying something really negative or arrogant while you want to show respect or give credits.

For a 17 year old Herlings english is pretty ok.

There are always people who want to see the negative things about people. Body language can mean a lot of different things but you don't really know what Herlings ment when he waved his hands by the pit area. As far a I know, and I was at the grand prix in Lierop this weekend he ment something like 'I really can't beleave I lapped untill the 2nd person in the race'. But if you only seen this moment in a short recap you can think the makes the rest of the field ridiculous but really wasn't the story.

Then my last point about people thinking he is cocky becasue of the fact that he claims to be the fastest sand rider at the world: I have never heard that from himself. In interview he always add that people CALL him the fastest sand rider and he doesnt claims he actually is. He only said I'm looking forward to race Barcia, Dungey and Cairoli in the sand and never said he's going to wipe someone's ass.

And imagine yourself, if you were Herlings don't you want to battle those guys on a surface were you're feeling very comfortable?

So conclusion NO Herlings isn't an as*hole.
I acually don't know Herlings in personal but at least I tried to explain you a littble bit of the story. Hope you guys can understand this a little bit and maybe change your attitude towards Herlings.

By the way sorry for mistakes in grammarUnsure
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9/3/2012 4:04am
Aard#68 wrote:
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO. Herlings sometimes chooses...
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO.

Herlings sometimes chooses the wrong words in interviews but that doesn't mean he is a prick. For the dutch it is very hard to give an interview in english and make clear what you really think. As dutch native I know dutch grammar is totally different then english grammar and also know that there are a lot of common mistakes which can lead to saying something really negative or arrogant while you want to show respect or give credits.

For a 17 year old Herlings english is pretty ok.

There are always people who want to see the negative things about people. Body language can mean a lot of different things but you don't really know what Herlings ment when he waved his hands by the pit area. As far a I know, and I was at the grand prix in Lierop this weekend he ment something like 'I really can't beleave I lapped untill the 2nd person in the race'. But if you only seen this moment in a short recap you can think the makes the rest of the field ridiculous but really wasn't the story.

Then my last point about people thinking he is cocky becasue of the fact that he claims to be the fastest sand rider at the world: I have never heard that from himself. In interview he always add that people CALL him the fastest sand rider and he doesnt claims he actually is. He only said I'm looking forward to race Barcia, Dungey and Cairoli in the sand and never said he's going to wipe someone's ass.

And imagine yourself, if you were Herlings don't you want to battle those guys on a surface were you're feeling very comfortable?

So conclusion NO Herlings isn't an as*hole.
I acually don't know Herlings in personal but at least I tried to explain you a littble bit of the story. Hope you guys can understand this a little bit and maybe change your attitude towards Herlings.

By the way sorry for mistakes in grammarUnsure
Good post Aard.
I agree with you but doubt you can convince any of the nay sayers in this topic. Wink Laughing
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9/3/2012 4:16am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 4:16am
After this season, repeatedly watching at him acting like a complete idiot, I wouldn't expected any other reaction from him in Lierop. In moto 1 he...
After this season, repeatedly watching at him acting like a complete idiot, I wouldn't expected any other reaction from him in Lierop.

In moto 1 he won by 2 minutes, and in moto 2 lapped up to Tommy Searle (not him included). The way how he moves his hands in front of the mechanics area is, at least, an insult for the other competitors.

I'm European and, to be honest, I've never took care on where's from the winner as much as we had good motocross races, but, somehow, I wish americans kick this guys as* for the best of him.

I hate that kind of attitude.
Let the kid have his fun.
It's actually nice to see something/someone a bit different.....then the same ole ,same ole song & dance.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he does in Lommel.
And wish the Dutch Team the best of luck.

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9/3/2012 4:30am
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Let the kid have his fun. It's actually nice to see something/someone a bit different.....then the same ole ,same ole song & dance. I'm looking forward...
Let the kid have his fun.
It's actually nice to see something/someone a bit different.....then the same ole ,same ole song & dance.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he does in Lommel.
And wish the Dutch Team the best of luck.
Thanks FastEddy, whe can need some luck.

Da Reuver had some bad luck in Lierop, and that made him dnf in second heat,
after the sighting lap he whanted a bit water to drink, but his mecanic gave him the wrong bottle,
on the moment marc whould drink some his mecanic grabed the bottle and marc got a bit in his face and he swallowd some of it, Marc tryd to start but whas to sick. (the mistake whas thay gave him a bottle of fuel and not water.)
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9/3/2012 4:35am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 4:36am
Thanks FastEddy, whe can need some luck. Da Reuver had some bad luck in Lierop, and that made him dnf in second heat, after the sighting...
Thanks FastEddy, whe can need some luck.

Da Reuver had some bad luck in Lierop, and that made him dnf in second heat,
after the sighting lap he whanted a bit water to drink, but his mecanic gave him the wrong bottle,
on the moment marc whould drink some his mecanic grabed the bottle and marc got a bit in his face and he swallowd some of it, Marc tryd to start but whas to sick. (the mistake whas thay gave him a bottle of fuel and not water.)
Grinning OMG! That's harsh on drinking the fuel.
Hope he is ok.
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The point is he's not learning every day. He hasn't learnt all season despite receiving fines for unacceptable behavior.
if he had not learning every day, despite the fines and behavior things. he realy whould had t boned Searl in Loket after Tommy hit him...
if he had not learning every day, despite the fines and behavior things. he realy whould had t boned Searl in Loket after Tommy hit him when passing. But bad ass Jeff did not, he made a clean pass.
Aard#68 wrote:
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO. Herlings sometimes chooses...
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO.

Herlings sometimes chooses the wrong words in interviews but that doesn't mean he is a prick. For the dutch it is very hard to give an interview in english and make clear what you really think. As dutch native I know dutch grammar is totally different then english grammar and also know that there are a lot of common mistakes which can lead to saying something really negative or arrogant while you want to show respect or give credits.

For a 17 year old Herlings english is pretty ok.

There are always people who want to see the negative things about people. Body language can mean a lot of different things but you don't really know what Herlings ment when he waved his hands by the pit area. As far a I know, and I was at the grand prix in Lierop this weekend he ment something like 'I really can't beleave I lapped untill the 2nd person in the race'. But if you only seen this moment in a short recap you can think the makes the rest of the field ridiculous but really wasn't the story.

Then my last point about people thinking he is cocky becasue of the fact that he claims to be the fastest sand rider at the world: I have never heard that from himself. In interview he always add that people CALL him the fastest sand rider and he doesnt claims he actually is. He only said I'm looking forward to race Barcia, Dungey and Cairoli in the sand and never said he's going to wipe someone's ass.

And imagine yourself, if you were Herlings don't you want to battle those guys on a surface were you're feeling very comfortable?

So conclusion NO Herlings isn't an as*hole.
I acually don't know Herlings in personal but at least I tried to explain you a littble bit of the story. Hope you guys can understand this a little bit and maybe change your attitude towards Herlings.

By the way sorry for mistakes in grammarUnsure
i took it that at the end of the moto her saw tommy eased off and the hand jesture was go on do another lap as if to say i could go by you but i won't so you have to do another lap.
As for the clean pass on tommy he had no choice tommy knew he had nothing for him saw him coming pulled up but it didn't stop herlings from slowing up and looking back ,tommy's pass wasn't a take out it was a hard aggressive one where as herlings on tonus well we all now that was just a thing that should never happen.
What he did at the weekend was impressive and i hope he grows into a decent respectful guy he has the right people around to shape him.
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The way I see it an MX athlete has two faces: Helmet on (adrenaline drenched) and Helmet off (the actual personality).
Sure, Herlings did some stupid things this year on the track and he admitted that he was wrong. He's got to work on that and he showed that he does work on it by not T-boning Searle as said before. If we are going to whine over every little touch, word or move, we might as well go and support the local chess club. Give the guy a break and stop watching his every move and put it under a magnifying glass. Just enjoy the unbelievable performance he showed us all in Lierop and how modest he still is in front of the camera when the helmet is off.
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The sport is full of "first i thought he was a prick and he now has my respect" stories. Yep, I guess thats news to a lot of you but most 17 year old's (even your kids) are a buch fucking little punks but they tend to mature as they get closer to their 30's.
9/3/2012 6:14am
I personally dont care what some kid does with his reputation, its his career.

BUT, I hate how many people excuse his behavior simply because he's young. He's a professional is he not? He's paid by his sponsors large sums of money to represent them. This should be the easiest part of his contract to fulfill. When we give kids a pass to make the sport look bad and less professional, it hurts everyone.

Age has nothing to do with it.

Why do you think you never really see any attitude from the Pro Circuit kids?
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9/3/2012 6:45am
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I personally dont care what some kid does with his reputation, its his career. BUT, I hate how many people excuse his behavior simply because he's...
I personally dont care what some kid does with his reputation, its his career.

BUT, I hate how many people excuse his behavior simply because he's young. He's a professional is he not? He's paid by his sponsors large sums of money to represent them. This should be the easiest part of his contract to fulfill. When we give kids a pass to make the sport look bad and less professional, it hurts everyone.

Age has nothing to do with it.

Why do you think you never really see any attitude from the Pro Circuit kids?
Agree 100% with you.

Depending on what you will do during your career, you can get a good reputation or a bad reputation. The season Herlings should demonstrate he is a winner and a mature guy (and I don't care how old is he), he is earning the ass*ole reputation.

Waving his hand like this, means for me: "my competitors were nothing against me" and that's a huuuuuge lack of respect.
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9/3/2012 7:11am
Aard#68 wrote:
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO. Herlings sometimes chooses...
I think there was no better way to show he has learned from his mistakes. By not T-bone Tommmy he earned respect IMO.

Herlings sometimes chooses the wrong words in interviews but that doesn't mean he is a prick. For the dutch it is very hard to give an interview in english and make clear what you really think. As dutch native I know dutch grammar is totally different then english grammar and also know that there are a lot of common mistakes which can lead to saying something really negative or arrogant while you want to show respect or give credits.

For a 17 year old Herlings english is pretty ok.

There are always people who want to see the negative things about people. Body language can mean a lot of different things but you don't really know what Herlings ment when he waved his hands by the pit area. As far a I know, and I was at the grand prix in Lierop this weekend he ment something like 'I really can't beleave I lapped untill the 2nd person in the race'. But if you only seen this moment in a short recap you can think the makes the rest of the field ridiculous but really wasn't the story.

Then my last point about people thinking he is cocky becasue of the fact that he claims to be the fastest sand rider at the world: I have never heard that from himself. In interview he always add that people CALL him the fastest sand rider and he doesnt claims he actually is. He only said I'm looking forward to race Barcia, Dungey and Cairoli in the sand and never said he's going to wipe someone's ass.

And imagine yourself, if you were Herlings don't you want to battle those guys on a surface were you're feeling very comfortable?

So conclusion NO Herlings isn't an as*hole.
I acually don't know Herlings in personal but at least I tried to explain you a littble bit of the story. Hope you guys can understand this a little bit and maybe change your attitude towards Herlings.

By the way sorry for mistakes in grammarUnsure
So by not t-boning Searle he showed his maturity? OK. I didn't know that by NOT t-boning someone you actually get points.
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9/3/2012 7:12am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 7:14am
Agree 100% with you. Depending on what you will do during your career, you can get a good reputation or a bad reputation. The season Herlings...
Agree 100% with you.

Depending on what you will do during your career, you can get a good reputation or a bad reputation. The season Herlings should demonstrate he is a winner and a mature guy (and I don't care how old is he), he is earning the ass*ole reputation.

Waving his hand like this, means for me: "my competitors were nothing against me" and that's a huuuuuge lack of respect.
We get it, you don't like the kid and that's why you see his hand gesture as a negative thing.
But like said before, it could have been a "Wow, I can't believe I just did this" gesture.
You really have no idea what he meant by it, he might be thanking his mechanic for all I care.
It's all assumptions mate.
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9/3/2012 7:16am
Alot of pot-calling-the-kettle-black in this thread
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So by not t-boning Searle he showed his maturity? OK. I didn't know that by NOT t-boning someone you actually get points.
Where did I say that he showed his maturity? Only saying that he has learned from his mistakes.

How can a 17 year old be mature? maturity comes with years and most people get mature around an age of 21. Something to deal with hormones and stuff but there is no need to explain that i think?

Of course proper education and team support can help to avoid inmature beviour but it makes no sense to say that a 17 year old kid mentally has to be developed like an adult.

Funny to see that herlings is subject in 4 topics at the moment, and most topics about his achievements or because of his achievements.
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what a sad bunch of middle-aged brain-dead cretins come on here to hold court over a kid who can ride a bike in sand like nobody, repeat NOBODY, ever did before. On Saturday he passed the entire field from 30 seconds off the back of the pack in 20 minutes - yeah, it was his fault, holeshot, pulled a clicker and missed the rut, he is 17, cool - and yesterday he could have lapped the lot; his butt patch already said he was gonna spare his buddy Van Horebeek just to rub it in. I think the "Let Tommy do another lap" explanation could be true for his gesture, or perhaps it's just a "no big deal" acknowledgement of the admiration he is getting from the box. Who cares ? What's such a big deal with the gesture ? It's not like he made out the rest were tossers, and I guess the FIM nerds would wanna fine him for what would be a justifiable expression of contempt for some of the lappers; I certainly wind down the truck window to give light-flashing Nazi cretins in Mercs and Beemers on the autobahn the thumb-index finger big O when I let them through after I finished passing an artic. And if they try to fool around with brake-checking or shit like that, I run em into the armco. And I'm 61, born in a generation before all you respectable turds screwed the world.
Jeffrey deserved to get his face slapped when he was personally abusive earlier in the year (though I don't think anyone knows the complete background) and I wouldn't want him dating any of my daughters, but he's a cool kid when you treat him for what he is, a 17 year old who wants to fool around and have fun. Did any of you "act responsibly" all of the time when you were 17 ? Shit, you were brain dead already then ?
And yes, he's gonna kick Barcia's ass twice, Baggett's once and Dungey's once at Lommel. And when he lines up against TC and Dungey in the final moto he'll be riding his second moto in an hour while they had a break. But of course U all know he's a brash, loud-mouthed teenager even though you never met him. Wanna know what he said yesterday evening ? "I'm riding Open class at Lommel so I only get one chance to race them in the final moto but I hope I can challenge Ryan Dungey and Toni; I think they are the best opposition."
9/3/2012 8:06am
IMO Herlings ride will go down in history as one of the best EVER!
Why diminish it by questioning wether he is an as*hole
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9/3/2012 8:13am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 8:14am
IMO Herlings ride will go down in history as one of the best EVER!
Why diminish it by questioning wether he is an as*hole
Because them haters need something to bring him down.

And he is an asshole, but a damn fast one in the sand. And since i love motocross and not boys, i'm cheering for him.
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Because them haters need something to bring him down. And he is an asshole, but a damn fast one in the sand. And since i love...
Because them haters need something to bring him down.

And he is an asshole, but a damn fast one in the sand. And since i love motocross and not boys, i'm cheering for him.
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9/3/2012 8:37am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 11:49am
The gesture he made (referred to in post #1) at the end of the moto typifies him - unsportsmanlike and desperately immature. It demonstrated that he...
The gesture he made (referred to in post #1) at the end of the moto typifies him - unsportsmanlike and desperately immature. It demonstrated that he not only needs to work on his anger management but also his euphoria management.

There's no doubt that he has behavioral issues. The toilet wall that passes for his twitter page is most parents' nightmare. He's not a good advert for the sport no matter how fast he is in sand.
I agree with you.

I didn't like that and to me it's pretty obvious what he meant by it. I really don't see how it can be spun another way - he was clearly trying to belittle Tommy. If only he would let his riding do ALL the talking! I mean it's more than enough on its own. At this point everyone can see that he's an amazing talent and above and beyond anyone in the sand. Trying to put down your competition further after you've just annihilated them, comes off as distasteful to me. Not my style.

Of course I have tremendous respect for his ability and I think we should make some allowances given his age. But man, he doesn't make it easy sometimes.
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9/3/2012 8:43am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 8:45am
Agree 100% with you. Depending on what you will do during your career, you can get a good reputation or a bad reputation. The season Herlings...
Agree 100% with you.

Depending on what you will do during your career, you can get a good reputation or a bad reputation. The season Herlings should demonstrate he is a winner and a mature guy (and I don't care how old is he), he is earning the ass*ole reputation.

Waving his hand like this, means for me: "my competitors were nothing against me" and that's a huuuuuge lack of respect.
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We get it, you don't like the kid and that's why you see his hand gesture as a negative thing. But like said before, it could...
We get it, you don't like the kid and that's why you see his hand gesture as a negative thing.
But like said before, it could have been a "Wow, I can't believe I just did this" gesture.
You really have no idea what he meant by it, he might be thanking his mechanic for all I care.
It's all assumptions mate.
Don't make this mistake, please Jefro. I never said I hate the kid because I don't know him. I said, textually: "I hate that kind of attitude". If you don't know how to win, how the hell are you gonna react when loosing? Well, watching at the whole season, we also know how he looses.

To be honest, I only remember one more time I was disappointed with a rider, and that was the Alessi/Tedesco incident. We and mmcmx made a banner in mxdn 2005 I guess. Nowadays, I have to say that Alessi has earned my respect. Note that I won't cheer for him, but times and situations change.

Unfortunately, I never raced motocross as a kid, but I played football my whole life in Catalunya, Spain and Italy. I do remember when we were winning by a big score and never, ever, did me or my team mates those gestures insulting the rival. And I still think that what he did is insulting, trust me, I have a master degree in italian gestures :-)
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He won by over 2 minutes, twice. I would be just as proud and probably confident(cocky as some may say) as he is if i were that good. Hopefully that gesture he made will only fuel his competetors to try to beat him even more now. Because that was embarassing. ITS RACING, not a fancy wedding.
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9/3/2012 8:53am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 8:57am
Jeffrey Herlings ‏@JHerlings84
Just seen a Hermafrodite or how ever its called.. Confusing do

Ok, why does this keep getting clipped short when I post it?
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Jeffrey Herlings ‏@JHerlings84
Just seen a Hermafrodite or how ever its called.. Confusing do

Ok, why does this keep getting clipped short when I post it?
Because it is not relevant.... Wink
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Watch his left hand at the minute 3:16. To me, that's insulting. And then, what he says about the last Grand Prix in Matterley Basin, minute...
Watch his left hand at the minute 3:16. To me, that's insulting.

And then, what he says about the last Grand Prix in Matterley Basin, minute 4:00

To be fair, he is right. He got a shit load of abuse at the British GP. Im suprised he took it as well as he did.
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9/3/2012 9:56am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 9:57am
Don't make this mistake, please Jefro. I never said I hate the kid because I don't know him. I said, textually: "I hate that kind of...
Don't make this mistake, please Jefro. I never said I hate the kid because I don't know him. I said, textually: "I hate that kind of attitude". If you don't know how to win, how the hell are you gonna react when loosing? Well, watching at the whole season, we also know how he looses.

To be honest, I only remember one more time I was disappointed with a rider, and that was the Alessi/Tedesco incident. We and mmcmx made a banner in mxdn 2005 I guess. Nowadays, I have to say that Alessi has earned my respect. Note that I won't cheer for him, but times and situations change.

Unfortunately, I never raced motocross as a kid, but I played football my whole life in Catalunya, Spain and Italy. I do remember when we were winning by a big score and never, ever, did me or my team mates those gestures insulting the rival. And I still think that what he did is insulting, trust me, I have a master degree in italian gestures :-)
I didn't make a mistake cause I never said you hate Herlings but it is quite obvious you don't like him. It's not about the attitude, why would you start a thread questioning if he is an asshole?
And it's beyond me why a Dutch kid on an Austrian team with a Dutch mechanic would make italian gestures.
But it's all cool mate, you win. You're the expert in hand gestures.
It seems some brits in this thread can't get over the so called disrespectfull gestures to Tommy.
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9/3/2012 10:03am
Good points in this thread. Kid might have same attitude issues, but since young within the standards and nothing worth for us old farts to be worried about! Just like others (Vince Friese an exception) life will teach him necessary manners...
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9/3/2012 10:05am
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Jeffrey Herlings ‏@JHerlings84
Just seen a Hermafrodite or how ever its called.. Confusing do

Ok, why does this keep getting clipped short when I post it?
Far-out wrote:
Because it is not relevant.... Wink
A message on a public internet site isn't relevant? Color me confused.Sideways
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Jeffrey Herlings ‏@JHerlings84
Just seen a Hermafrodite or how ever its called.. Confusing do

Ok, why does this keep getting clipped short when I post it?
Far-out wrote:
Because it is not relevant.... Wink
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A message on a public internet site isn't relevant? Color me confused.Sideways
Just joking....

I know the tweet and i don't like it either but to judge a 17 year old for something like this?
Let him be, he is a good kid and wil learn his lessons in life just like all of us!

The rest of the tweets are great Wink
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Collettsville, NC US
9/3/2012 10:25am
Herlings is just a big fish in a small pond right now, nothing more.

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