Roczen and Crashing

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Edited Date/Time 6/11/2012 7:30am
So far the only problem Roczen has had has been crashing, in the 8 moto's run so far this year he has crashed in 5 of them, that makes it a little hard to go for the overall.
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6/9/2012 4:19pm
Yeah, he definitely needs to work on that. It's potentially cost him about 10 or so points so far.

Hopefully he pulls it together at budds. The soil and hilly nature of the track should suit him I reckon.
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6/9/2012 4:20pm
He looked beat in that second moto podium interview.
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6/9/2012 4:26pm
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in the states just caught Roczen off guard the first few races and now we're starting to see him come around and ride the way we know he can. I think he'll only get better from here. He's said it during some interviews and is learning/adjusting.
6/9/2012 4:29pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Yeah, he definitely needs to work on that. It's potentially cost him about 10 or so points so far. Hopefully he pulls it together at budds...
Yeah, he definitely needs to work on that. It's potentially cost him about 10 or so points so far.

Hopefully he pulls it together at budds. The soil and hilly nature of the track should suit him I reckon.
Budds is full of hills and singles. They built the whoops up quite a bit up top too. I am sure the pros will make them look like baby shit on TV though.

Love that place. My 125 doesn't love it though.

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6/9/2012 4:30pm
He is slowly getting stronger , faster for longer.
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If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s the intensity isn´t that high throughout the motos, thus making it easier to crash. He´ll get there! Smile
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6/9/2012 5:02pm
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you can lose it there.
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6/9/2012 5:27pm
TDeath21 wrote:
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you...
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you can lose it there.
I think herlings would have him covered if he had stayed in the GP's this year so top 5 for sure.......
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6/9/2012 5:44pm
julienmark wrote:
He is slowly getting stronger , faster for longer.
this what im seeing as well.
i bet marvin muse can will be crazy fast next season as well.
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6/9/2012 6:03pm
Roczen is riding better than ever, his all time best.

He is just getting a taste of racing at the highest level. Just like American racers fresh out of the amateurs, it can be overwhelming at first.
6/9/2012 6:12pm
julienmark wrote:
He is slowly getting stronger , faster for longer.
zippy895 wrote:
this what im seeing as well.
i bet marvin muse can will be crazy fast next season as well.
Yep, on Pro Circuit.
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6/9/2012 7:33pm
Sunhouse wrote:
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s...
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s the intensity isn´t that high throughout the motos, thus making it easier to crash. He´ll get there! Smile
this ^^
6/9/2012 7:35pm
Budds is full of hills and singles. They built the whoops up quite a bit up top too. I am sure the pros will make them...
Budds is full of hills and singles. They built the whoops up quite a bit up top too. I am sure the pros will make them look like baby shit on TV though.

Love that place. My 125 doesn't love it though.
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Yes it does.

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6/9/2012 9:29pm
TDeath21 wrote:
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you...
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you can lose it there.
Huckster wrote:
I think herlings would have him covered if he had stayed in the GP's this year so top 5 for sure.......
I hope you're being sarcastic. Lol.
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6/9/2012 9:46pm
Sunhouse wrote:
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s...
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s the intensity isn´t that high throughout the motos, thus making it easier to crash. He´ll get there! Smile
Why not.....the intensity level should be the same unless there isn't enough people to push it to that level.
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6/9/2012 10:47pm
There was only Searle and Herlings who could get anywhere near Roczen's pace last year. Searle kept getting shit starts last year whilst Roczen and Herlings checked out. Roczen always had the edge on the hardpack stuff, so he would gap Herlings a bit, then cruise. Herlings and Searle both look alot faster this year though.

There are only 3 other people who are creating this "intensity" in the AMA 250 class this year. If they weren't there, then Roczen would do what he did in the GP series last year.
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6/9/2012 10:57pm
julienmark wrote:
He is slowly getting stronger , faster for longer.
zippy895 wrote:
this what im seeing as well.
i bet marvin muse can will be crazy fast next season as well.
Yep, on Pro Circuit.
that would be dope to see french fry on a PC bike.
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6/9/2012 11:32pm
Matthes mentioned it in the last observations column, so its definitely possible
6/9/2012 11:46pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
There was only Searle and Herlings who could get anywhere near Roczen's pace last year. Searle kept getting shit starts last year whilst Roczen and Herlings...
There was only Searle and Herlings who could get anywhere near Roczen's pace last year. Searle kept getting shit starts last year whilst Roczen and Herlings checked out. Roczen always had the edge on the hardpack stuff, so he would gap Herlings a bit, then cruise. Herlings and Searle both look alot faster this year though.

There are only 3 other people who are creating this "intensity" in the AMA 250 class this year. If they weren't there, then Roczen would do what he did in the GP series last year.
That's a good point.
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6/10/2012 12:26am
TDeath21 wrote:
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you...
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you can lose it there.
Huckster wrote:
I think herlings would have him covered if he had stayed in the GP's this year so top 5 for sure.......
bullshit. tommy searle didnt do shit over here and look at him there
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6/10/2012 12:49am
I reckon Searle improved a fair bit since then. He's gonna be a major contender for the MX1 title next year
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6/10/2012 12:55am
TDeath21 wrote:
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you...
He's one of the top 4 250 riders in the world. He will be okay. You can't win the championship in the early rounds, but you can lose it there.
Huckster wrote:
I think herlings would have him covered if he had stayed in the GP's this year so top 5 for sure.......
sharkey wrote:
bullshit. tommy searle didnt do shit over here and look at him there
tommy had a few good results whilst in the u.s but as with ken he crashed whilst learning the different style of racing and unfortunatly got injured you did not see the best of him which was a pity he could of been a top 5 guy every week.

if i didn't know better i would say ken was struggling with fittness and its causing him to loose focus at the end when he gets tired.I couldn't believe he lost that yesturday 10second lead goed down still has 3 seconds on them with 2 to go and he couldn't get his rythem back, maybe ken has put to much pressure on himself to win one of these things i'm sure he will get there in the end
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6/10/2012 1:01am
i think Kenny is doing fine.He is right there in contention for the championship at this point in the season.I for one am proud of him and look forward to him racing against the Evil red devil Honda's every week.
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6/10/2012 1:59am Edited Date/Time 6/10/2012 2:04am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
There was only Searle and Herlings who could get anywhere near Roczen's pace last year. Searle kept getting shit starts last year whilst Roczen and Herlings...
There was only Searle and Herlings who could get anywhere near Roczen's pace last year. Searle kept getting shit starts last year whilst Roczen and Herlings checked out. Roczen always had the edge on the hardpack stuff, so he would gap Herlings a bit, then cruise. Herlings and Searle both look alot faster this year though.

There are only 3 other people who are creating this "intensity" in the AMA 250 class this year. If they weren't there, then Roczen would do what he did in the GP series last year.
That's a good point.
That might have been true early on in the season DJ but what I saw was Herlings really come on as the season went on,he was a genuine match for Ken in about the last 1/3 of the season,not just on his favoured sand tracks,Paulin had an overall and was only a click behind,although he was way to big of a lump for that 250 to haul around Laughing

Tommy is better now too,he started of good when he went over but was injured pretty early and never fulfilled his real potential imo,Kenny will get it down soon,as you say there are 3 really fast guys in there,its a VERY tough year to go and race them on their own tracks,the advantage isn't with him in many ways afterall

Portugal was a good one,it showed what Herlings was potentialy capable of and it wasn't even 1/2 way into the season too,Kenny was getting the overalls and was more consistent but Herlings matured more and more,his MXdN ride at the end of the season,he certainly didn't look like he was still only 16 the week before,I think he'd be pretty awesome in the US if he decided to go in a couple of years

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6/10/2012 2:43am
Sunhouse wrote:
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s...
If you´re riding at 100%, as he has to with the current pace and level in the 250´s, it´s easier to make mistakes. In the GP´s the intensity isn´t that high throughout the motos, thus making it easier to crash. He´ll get there! Smile
DonM wrote:
Why not.....the intensity level should be the same unless there isn't enough people to push it to that level.
That is not what I have observed. In the nationals the riders start to battle from the drop of the gate. If you take it easy the first few laps people will pass you and you won´t have time to turn it up to catch them by the end of the moto.
A good example is last weekend, where the battle was constantly ongoing for the leaders. First having to get rid of Wharton, then Barcia wouldn´t stop trying to pass etc etc. It´s a constantly ongoing battle throughout the motos. In the GP´s however, the battle rarely start until the end of the motos. They ride around and buy a little time before the passing starts. In the nationals you rarely see anyone wait for the right moment, wether its 3 laps into the race or in the last 3 laps. And I believe that is very hard to adjust to for someone like Roczen, and I know it would certainly make me crash more if I had to start riding at 100% throughout the motos, with constant pressure from several other riders if you make the slightest mistake. So no, I don´t think the intensity level is the same.

Add this with the current talent in the 250 nats this year and it´s quite obvious that Ken has a steep learning curve in the nationals too, not just SX. But I think he will figure it all out, I´ve seen him ride with more aggression than this Smile
6/10/2012 3:54am
It's amazing how many good riders there are this year too. I mean it's quite incredible.

The only other class that can match it per head for talent is the MX1 GPs this year. You have to say KR was unfortunate to pick THIS exact year to make his America debut. Not that it wasn't tough last year but really he would've only had to deal with Wilson as a serious threat. Everyone else last year was misfiring - Baggett, Tomac, Barcia etc.

But of course, that's life. It is what it is. I must say there's a lot of very interesting posts in this thread.
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6/10/2012 8:06am
sharkey wrote:
bullshit. tommy searle didnt do shit over here and look at him there
Tommy was very unlucky over here, in 2010 at the start of the season he was flying and then got hurt, injurys robbed him over here not talent.
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6/10/2012 9:37am
moto282 wrote:
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in...
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in the states just caught Roczen off guard the first few races and now we're starting to see him come around and ride the way we know he can. I think he'll only get better from here. He's said it during some interviews and is learning/adjusting.
no slam on the gp riders but the pace here scares the shit out of em over there...cant blame em.
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6/10/2012 9:39am
moto282 wrote:
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in...
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in the states just caught Roczen off guard the first few races and now we're starting to see him come around and ride the way we know he can. I think he'll only get better from here. He's said it during some interviews and is learning/adjusting.
BobbyM wrote:
no slam on the gp riders but the pace here scares the shit out of em over there...cant blame em.
For once I think you may be right, I think that holds true for the 250s.
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6/10/2012 10:08am Edited Date/Time 6/10/2012 10:21am
moto282 wrote:
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in...
I don't think it's just crashing. There has been motos he stayed up and he didn't win. I think the pace (from start to finish) in the states just caught Roczen off guard the first few races and now we're starting to see him come around and ride the way we know he can. I think he'll only get better from here. He's said it during some interviews and is learning/adjusting.
BobbyM wrote:
no slam on the gp riders but the pace here scares the shit out of em over there...cant blame em.
Sunhouse wrote:
For once I think you may be right, I think that holds true for the 250s.
It would be the same for Cairoli in the 450's (US Nationals) if Poto, Stewart, Reed, Canard, Short ect were healthy and racing in America.

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