D...A... Flagger!

JustMX
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5/21/2012 12:07pm
mxracer450 wrote:
I've personally worked at this dealership for a small time. I am familiar with the staff. Or at least the staff that worked there about 3...
I've personally worked at this dealership for a small time. I am familiar with the staff. Or at least the staff that worked there about 3 years ago. This doesn't surprise me in the least knowing that lot.

With that said, I hope the kid heals up quickly and is back at it next year..

P.S. Just for clarification... This is AL Lane Yamaha in Iron Station, NC... Just on the outskirts of Lincolnton.
Wow.....I wish I would have thought to bring along a big ol' bucket of sour grapes............

Nevermind......

Looks like you brought enough for everybody.

Like he said...

Al Lane Motorsports........One of the most off road oriented dealerships in the Carolinas.

They have been in business for what....25+ years...and have supported and helped riders from Damon Bradshaw to Brian McElroy to Austin Stroupe.......

It is unfortunate that they were not able to realize the vast experience and expertise you must have bought to the table.

I am sure they miss you terribly.
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5/21/2012 12:11pm
JustMX wrote:
Wow.....I wish I would have thought to bring along a big ol' bucket of sour grapes............ Nevermind...... Looks like you brought enough for everybody. Like he...
Wow.....I wish I would have thought to bring along a big ol' bucket of sour grapes............

Nevermind......

Looks like you brought enough for everybody.

Like he said...

Al Lane Motorsports........One of the most off road oriented dealerships in the Carolinas.

They have been in business for what....25+ years...and have supported and helped riders from Damon Bradshaw to Brian McElroy to Austin Stroupe.......

It is unfortunate that they were not able to realize the vast experience and expertise you must have bought to the table.

I am sure they miss you terribly.
I'm sorry, was that necessary? I didn't attack them. I highly doubt any of the original staff that I worked with is even still there. I have nothing but good things to say for the dealership itself. But this incident was kind of a bad deal for all involved.

Take a chill pill. No need to go out of your way to flame someone for no reason. You don't know me, nor do I know you. Which is a good thing judging by the attitude your taking.
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5/21/2012 12:17pm
I feel a lot of love in the room
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5/21/2012 12:20pm
burn1986 wrote:
Obviously he shouldn't have crossed there. I hope everyone is okay and you should never sue anyone. I completely apologize for using this word in regard...
Obviously he shouldn't have crossed there. I hope everyone is okay and you should never sue anyone.

I completely apologize for using this word in regard to this, and any incident involving motorsports, and also apologize for everyone that this may have offended. This action is certainly not the attitude or view of this site, and this site does not necessarily adopt or endorse the views or opinions of it's posters. The incident involving a sanctioned and experienced flagger walking in front of a racer is an incident that is under investigation and is being reviewed by the owners and operators of the parties involved.

All attempts to portray this flagger as anything other than completely honorable, or justifiable in his actions is unwarranted and will not be tolerated.
That one wasn't any better than your first try. It was definitely a brain fart move by the flagger, that resulted in unfortunate situation for himself and the rider.

Flaggers need more than a pulse and a couple brain cells to rub together before they're handed a flag. I did it when I was a kid, and learned a lot about what to do (and not do) really fast. These days most of the races I go to are pro events, and even there, some of them are occasionally really good, and a handful are horrid.

Sleeping during a moto? Bad.
Texting during a moto? Bad.
Having the flag rolled up on the handle? Bad.
Standing in blind spots with the flag, right next to the downed rider? Bad.
Sitting on the ground 15 feet away from the track with the flag on the ground? Bad.
Getting all pissy when it's suggested to them that they stand up and hold the flag? Really bad.

I get that they often don't make much, and the hours are long and it may not be fun. But if they don't want to do it, or make the situation worse than it'd be with no flagger, they should do everyone a favor, and stay at home.

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5/21/2012 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2012 12:24pm
I think you would agree that my posts are far more intelligent and well-thought-out than a flagger walking in front of a racer at full speed. Cool

No need to reply.
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5/21/2012 12:34pm
I'm not mad at the flagger. Anyone that stupid will be off the planet soon enough, wishing it on them only makes yourself look bad.

Sad the kid got hurt, I am slightly losing faith, the flagger looked like an adult male. Sad someone could make it that far in life and be that stupid, they could possibly have a wife and children. Wish he would have pulled a stupid stunt earlier in life, that way it would have only affected his parents and siblings. Now he's going to off himself with a family that will need to be taken care of.
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5/21/2012 12:38pm
Well, the flagger is the one who's really suffering through this whole thing. Poor guy.
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5/21/2012 12:44pm
I hate when people wear earphones all the time like they haven't heard the same song 100 times. At the gym its the same thing, joggers wearing them are just asking for trouble.

Ban the headphone!
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5/21/2012 12:46pm
Graphite wrote:
I'm not mad at the flagger. Anyone that stupid will be off the planet soon enough, wishing it on them only makes yourself look bad. Sad...
I'm not mad at the flagger. Anyone that stupid will be off the planet soon enough, wishing it on them only makes yourself look bad.

Sad the kid got hurt, I am slightly losing faith, the flagger looked like an adult male. Sad someone could make it that far in life and be that stupid, they could possibly have a wife and children. Wish he would have pulled a stupid stunt earlier in life, that way it would have only affected his parents and siblings. Now he's going to off himself with a family that will need to be taken care of.
It's nice to know youve never done anything stupid mr smart arse.
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5/21/2012 6:10pm
Graphite wrote:
I'm not mad at the flagger. Anyone that stupid will be off the planet soon enough, wishing it on them only makes yourself look bad. Sad...
I'm not mad at the flagger. Anyone that stupid will be off the planet soon enough, wishing it on them only makes yourself look bad.

Sad the kid got hurt, I am slightly losing faith, the flagger looked like an adult male. Sad someone could make it that far in life and be that stupid, they could possibly have a wife and children. Wish he would have pulled a stupid stunt earlier in life, that way it would have only affected his parents and siblings. Now he's going to off himself with a family that will need to be taken care of.
Barrett57 wrote:
It's nice to know youve never done anything stupid mr smart arse.
Nothing that stupid. We need legislation for guys like this. Pull the warning labels off of things, and guys like this won't slip through the cracks for this long.
5/22/2012 7:52am
burn1986 wrote:
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished. Let's also remember that he is only...
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished.

Let's also remember that he is only a volunteer, who is doing the best he can. I know the kid got some broken bones, but how do we know it was the flagger that caused this? Maybe the kid turned around in midair, or the bike got away from him and the flagger was looking at him about to wreck? How do we know the flagger didn't injure himself by turning his head real quick to look at the kid and wonder what he could do to help? In fact, maybe he saw that the kid was about to wreck and was walking over to help where he thought he would wreck, or to try and prevent the wreck?

Either way, the flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer, who shouldn't have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himself and the flagger. I'm just thankful the flagger wasn't seriously injured.
burn1986 you need to be very careful when you tarnish the integrity and competence of this rider.

wetpaint started this forum topic with a video that you onviously did not watch before posting your opionion. Thanks for the reminder that this flagman is a volunteer and I have and will pray for a speedy recovery for this man. But let me remind you the money a rider puts into this sport to be competitive and the time and hardwork of the rider. Your first ridiculous comment "How do we know it was the flagger that caused this?" Watch the video!!!!!!!!!!!Next and one of many ridiculous comments by you," The kid turned around in midair, bike got away, flagger was looking at him about to wreck? " You really can not make any of those comments make sense to you. It's called a helmet cam, watch it!!!! "He saw the kid about to wreck and was walking over to where he thought he would wreck or to try and prevent the wreck??? Please explain how he was going to prevent a wreck. "Flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer who shouldnt have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himseld and the flagger." If this comment didn't make me so mad, I would laugh. You need to do a little research about what position this rider was in at the time of this accident. He more than deserves to be on the track.

I hate this for both the rider and the flagman. But for you to make accusations that are so ridiculous really makes me sick....
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5/22/2012 9:31am
A bad situation and I'll bet the flagger feels pretty shitty about causing it.

At the end of the day, yes!, it pisses you off; but, it's really just an accident.

I know, I know...there's a pretty HIGH LEVEL of Stupidity involved...
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5/22/2012 9:33am
burn1986 wrote:
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished. Let's also remember that he is only...
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished.

Let's also remember that he is only a volunteer, who is doing the best he can. I know the kid got some broken bones, but how do we know it was the flagger that caused this? Maybe the kid turned around in midair, or the bike got away from him and the flagger was looking at him about to wreck? How do we know the flagger didn't injure himself by turning his head real quick to look at the kid and wonder what he could do to help? In fact, maybe he saw that the kid was about to wreck and was walking over to help where he thought he would wreck, or to try and prevent the wreck?

Either way, the flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer, who shouldn't have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himself and the flagger. I'm just thankful the flagger wasn't seriously injured.
burn1986 you need to be very careful when you tarnish the integrity and competence of this rider. wetpaint started this forum topic with a video that...
burn1986 you need to be very careful when you tarnish the integrity and competence of this rider.

wetpaint started this forum topic with a video that you onviously did not watch before posting your opionion. Thanks for the reminder that this flagman is a volunteer and I have and will pray for a speedy recovery for this man. But let me remind you the money a rider puts into this sport to be competitive and the time and hardwork of the rider. Your first ridiculous comment "How do we know it was the flagger that caused this?" Watch the video!!!!!!!!!!!Next and one of many ridiculous comments by you," The kid turned around in midair, bike got away, flagger was looking at him about to wreck? " You really can not make any of those comments make sense to you. It's called a helmet cam, watch it!!!! "He saw the kid about to wreck and was walking over to where he thought he would wreck or to try and prevent the wreck??? Please explain how he was going to prevent a wreck. "Flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer who shouldnt have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himseld and the flagger." If this comment didn't make me so mad, I would laugh. You need to do a little research about what position this rider was in at the time of this accident. He more than deserves to be on the track.

I hate this for both the rider and the flagman. But for you to make accusations that are so ridiculous really makes me sick....
I think the Sarco-Joke intent of burn's post may have been missed...


It seems to be one of those Touchy-Feely J/K posts...
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5/22/2012 9:34am
burn1986 wrote:
Obviously he shouldn't have crossed there. I hope everyone is okay and you should never sue anyone. I completely apologize for using this word in regard...
Obviously he shouldn't have crossed there. I hope everyone is okay and you should never sue anyone.

I completely apologize for using this word in regard to this, and any incident involving motorsports, and also apologize for everyone that this may have offended. This action is certainly not the attitude or view of this site, and this site does not necessarily adopt or endorse the views or opinions of it's posters. The incident involving a sanctioned and experienced flagger walking in front of a racer is an incident that is under investigation and is being reviewed by the owners and operators of the parties involved.

All attempts to portray this flagger as anything other than completely honorable, or justifiable in his actions is unwarranted and will not be tolerated.
GuyB wrote:
That one wasn't any better than your first try. It was definitely a brain fart move by the flagger, that resulted in unfortunate situation for himself...
That one wasn't any better than your first try. It was definitely a brain fart move by the flagger, that resulted in unfortunate situation for himself and the rider.

Flaggers need more than a pulse and a couple brain cells to rub together before they're handed a flag. I did it when I was a kid, and learned a lot about what to do (and not do) really fast. These days most of the races I go to are pro events, and even there, some of them are occasionally really good, and a handful are horrid.

Sleeping during a moto? Bad.
Texting during a moto? Bad.
Having the flag rolled up on the handle? Bad.
Standing in blind spots with the flag, right next to the downed rider? Bad.
Sitting on the ground 15 feet away from the track with the flag on the ground? Bad.
Getting all pissy when it's suggested to them that they stand up and hold the flag? Really bad.

I get that they often don't make much, and the hours are long and it may not be fun. But if they don't want to do it, or make the situation worse than it'd be with no flagger, they should do everyone a favor, and stay at home.
Some of the Best Flaggers I've seen are "Race-Dads"...

No shit.
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5/22/2012 7:37pm
burn1986 wrote:
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished. Let's also remember that he is only...
We need to be careful wet paint so that the integrity and competence of this flagger is not tarnished.

Let's also remember that he is only a volunteer, who is doing the best he can. I know the kid got some broken bones, but how do we know it was the flagger that caused this? Maybe the kid turned around in midair, or the bike got away from him and the flagger was looking at him about to wreck? How do we know the flagger didn't injure himself by turning his head real quick to look at the kid and wonder what he could do to help? In fact, maybe he saw that the kid was about to wreck and was walking over to help where he thought he would wreck, or to try and prevent the wreck?

Either way, the flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer, who shouldn't have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himself and the flagger. I'm just thankful the flagger wasn't seriously injured.
burn1986 you need to be very careful when you tarnish the integrity and competence of this rider. wetpaint started this forum topic with a video that...
burn1986 you need to be very careful when you tarnish the integrity and competence of this rider.

wetpaint started this forum topic with a video that you onviously did not watch before posting your opionion. Thanks for the reminder that this flagman is a volunteer and I have and will pray for a speedy recovery for this man. But let me remind you the money a rider puts into this sport to be competitive and the time and hardwork of the rider. Your first ridiculous comment "How do we know it was the flagger that caused this?" Watch the video!!!!!!!!!!!Next and one of many ridiculous comments by you," The kid turned around in midair, bike got away, flagger was looking at him about to wreck? " You really can not make any of those comments make sense to you. It's called a helmet cam, watch it!!!! "He saw the kid about to wreck and was walking over to where he thought he would wreck or to try and prevent the wreck??? Please explain how he was going to prevent a wreck. "Flagger went above and beyond to try and help this racer who shouldnt have been on the track since he was obviously a danger to himseld and the flagger." If this comment didn't make me so mad, I would laugh. You need to do a little research about what position this rider was in at the time of this accident. He more than deserves to be on the track.

I hate this for both the rider and the flagman. But for you to make accusations that are so ridiculous really makes me sick....
TeamGreen wrote:
I think the Sarco-Joke intent of burn's post may have been missed...


It seems to be one of those Touchy-Feely J/K posts...
It wasn't missed....It was just lame........everytime he posted it
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5/22/2012 8:11pm
what an amazing lack of awareness.

you can hear the bike coming 100% if you're that guy. you have to severely lack the ability to decode sensory input for that to happen to you.

well done.
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5/23/2012 3:24am
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what an amazing lack of awareness. you can hear the bike coming 100% if you're that guy. you have to severely lack the ability to decode...
what an amazing lack of awareness.

you can hear the bike coming 100% if you're that guy. you have to severely lack the ability to decode sensory input for that to happen to you.

well done.
Not with his Ipod cranked to 11, listening to God knows what.

We had a kuid fall asleep one late nighter. He woke up and no bikes on were the track so he just headed for the tower. Right infront of the last moto...Bad deal.
5/23/2012 5:06am Edited Date/Time 5/23/2012 5:08am
willie838 wrote:
what an amazing lack of awareness. you can hear the bike coming 100% if you're that guy. you have to severely lack the ability to decode...
what an amazing lack of awareness.

you can hear the bike coming 100% if you're that guy. you have to severely lack the ability to decode sensory input for that to happen to you.

well done.
A funny thing happened when I was at a track the other day. It was the morning session and the first guy went out on his CRF 450. Anyway he roars off down one section of the track, does a couple of turns, comes along another section perhaps 70 - 80ft away from where we're all parked... and I swear you could not hear a thing. It was truly bizarre watching this guy blasting around on a 450 with apparently zero noise. The paddock was on a small hill and there was a slight breeze but it was enough on that occasion to completely obscure any noise from that one guy. My point being - that weird things can happen.

And sometimes they can mount up in just the right way, causing us to screw up when ordinarily 99.9% of the time, we wouldn't. The guy (flagger) made a stupid mistake and I'm sure he feels stupid.

But it's no different from all the times when we ran across the road on that one occasion without looking, or went 10 mph over the speed limit that one time by accident, or misjudged how icy that one turn was causing the car to slide around etc etc,. basically these things happen to all of us many times over, without exception. It's just that most of the time when they do happen, we get away with our mistakes.
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5/23/2012 8:50pm
Wow. That's common sense. If you know nothing about motocross you should know not to do that.
5/23/2012 9:29pm
burn1986 wrote:
Flagger needs to be sued for all hospital bills and potential winning that he cost the kid. What a moron!
Primo moto-dad speak!
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5/24/2012 5:10am
burn1986 wrote:
Well, the flagger is the one who's really suffering through this whole thing. Poor guy.
Your lame attempts at being sarcastic are not helping your case much.

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