Sub: Mexican GP - Dear Steve Dixon,...

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5/15/2012 12:22pm
wawazat wrote:
That is why there will never be a riders union. Someone is always going to go against what others want. From @Michael_Leib To all those giving...
That is why there will never be a riders union. Someone is always going to go against what others want.

From @Michael_Leib To all those giving me crap about racing yesterday, I raced because when it was all said and done Dixon wanted me to. I respect him. #Truth

DL says..." The decision to ride was 100% Michael's."

This is the second coming of the Alessi's.
Kid says something, then daddy spins it.

Drama seems to follow this family around. It can't always be the "other guy."

Before I said Michael should take the ride overseas. Now? He should stay here in the states. Here there are only a few guys who don't like him here.
DL wrote:
Listen pal... Steve asked Michael to do the sight lap and decide for himself that's what he did. Haters gonna hate.
wawazat wrote:
Again, that's why there will never a riders union. Riders can't get on the same page. Some riders will think working conditions are dangerous while others...
Again, that's why there will never a riders union. Riders can't get on the same page. Some riders will think working conditions are dangerous while others see it as a chance to get a good finish.

With him being a visitor to the series, he should of sided with the guys who make their living racing that series. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and not just what is best for ones self at the moment. Sure his team manager is happy he raced, but the manager isn't on the track. Someone will punt him in a coner if he continues on with the GP's

What's done is done, but this kids career is drama filled already.

Who are you Devin Davis with the "haters gonna hate?"
WAWAZAT,

Let me give you a little insight so you have aCLEAR understanding of the race on sat and sun. Leib is a BIG boy and made his decision based on a talk he had with Steve who he has clearly said he respects and gave him an awesome chance to race! Steve, Michael along with myself (disclaimer: been a close family friend for 10+ yrs) spoke and it was not clear on how the riders would be treated for sunday if they did not ride sat heat. Leib understood the issue and if they went off of sat timed practice times he would have a total shit gate pick! Steve supported him not riding but also asked that he consider doing a site lap to confirm the track conditions and if not safe to not ride. Leib did just that and made his own decision to race based on what he saw and that fact he is a professional. Have you herd the kid go on about his bike last year even after the disaster he had?? NO! Why... because he does HIS JOB and acts in a professional manner even in a shit storm!
The fact you pick something so small as a ONE tweet or post his father posted is totally childish just like the boys in mexico in MY opinion.

Please sack up and be clear what your issue is with Leib and his decision to ride? Are you some union nut and feel the gang mentality is the best way?? Do you have some issue with a kid riding a bike as a fill in rider and doing pretty freaking good? Why not come out from behind your keyboard??

But hey the keyboard is a god fence to hide behind for some i guess! Wink
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5/15/2012 12:52pm
Who said Desalle and Herlings are smart? Fast not smart! Most European riders and teams know that but if you are THAT fast they forgive you. In Netherlands most mxpeople now how Herlings had behave, yelling at his dad like a spoiled a..hole etc. Desalle and father make the Alessis sounds like a kids birthdayparty. And about trying to change mr GL rules? He shut Everts mouth like a walk in the park. Everts play by Llongos rules and has to lick his recktum nowdays. And the behavior against M Lieb makes me puke! That so called GP with half pros from years ago to half startingfield with rich,spoiled,daddysboys is a joke. Everybody sayes it´s better now? More professional etc? Back in the 80-90 to Llongos days it was the fastest rider of the weekend that lined up for the real championship. Not the wallets. If you trained hard and built a decent bike you could run for the title. Today you must lick ass and open the safe and you can run for the title......Thats why US fans and riders as the majority of Europeans topriders in each country doesn´t gives a rats ass anymore? I know riders that will easy make points in GPs but not even following the results anymore. Is that better now with tv or whatever............
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5/15/2012 3:39pm
Big wrote:
Who said Desalle and Herlings are smart? Fast not smart! Most European riders and teams know that but if you are THAT fast they forgive you...
Who said Desalle and Herlings are smart? Fast not smart! Most European riders and teams know that but if you are THAT fast they forgive you. In Netherlands most mxpeople now how Herlings had behave, yelling at his dad like a spoiled a..hole etc. Desalle and father make the Alessis sounds like a kids birthdayparty. And about trying to change mr GL rules? He shut Everts mouth like a walk in the park. Everts play by Llongos rules and has to lick his recktum nowdays. And the behavior against M Lieb makes me puke! That so called GP with half pros from years ago to half startingfield with rich,spoiled,daddysboys is a joke. Everybody sayes it´s better now? More professional etc? Back in the 80-90 to Llongos days it was the fastest rider of the weekend that lined up for the real championship. Not the wallets. If you trained hard and built a decent bike you could run for the title. Today you must lick ass and open the safe and you can run for the title......Thats why US fans and riders as the majority of Europeans topriders in each country doesn´t gives a rats ass anymore? I know riders that will easy make points in GPs but not even following the results anymore. Is that better now with tv or whatever............
I can find myself in 80% of your text! But you should talk with Desalle and his dad, both are very on there own but once you had the chance to talk with them a few times they are quite nice people same as Herlings but he is a little bit arrogant especially if he talks with press if he talks to you from men to men he is also quite nice!

And I say this because I see most of the riders more then a few times in a season.

What you say about "before Luongo" it kind of true and not true. I will say something strange so read it carefully! I think that Giuseppe Luongo did a great job late '90 with his "Action Group". The Grand Prix's did some overseas GP's with allot of attendance (GP in Brazil, GP in Budds Creek, GP in Venezuela, ...)! The GP's became allot more professional with good TV coverage and the teams followed with L&M Honda Team on front (Stefan Everts team with Dave Grant). But at the same time the small teams and privateer riders still had a chance to qualify and make some money with the bonus system! It was great what the "Action Group" did then. Because we saw the best 40 European riders in 125cc, 250cc and 500cc and on the best tracks not the best infrastructures.

But then the Action Group sold the Grand Prix Motocross on Dorna (the MotoGP promotor) and they made motocross a 1 heat event! This new thing didn't worked out for Dorna and they sold it back to Luongo who had now a company called Youthstream and then it all went wrong! Because from back then Luongo and Youthstream aren't working to get the MXGP's better but they are working to get there self richer! To become rich and fast!
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5/15/2012 4:25pm
DL wrote:
Listen pal... Steve asked Michael to do the sight lap and decide for himself that's what he did. Haters gonna hate.
wawazat wrote:
Again, that's why there will never a riders union. Riders can't get on the same page. Some riders will think working conditions are dangerous while others...
Again, that's why there will never a riders union. Riders can't get on the same page. Some riders will think working conditions are dangerous while others see it as a chance to get a good finish.

With him being a visitor to the series, he should of sided with the guys who make their living racing that series. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and not just what is best for ones self at the moment. Sure his team manager is happy he raced, but the manager isn't on the track. Someone will punt him in a coner if he continues on with the GP's

What's done is done, but this kids career is drama filled already.

Who are you Devin Davis with the "haters gonna hate?"
dilligaf wrote:
WAWAZAT, Let me give you a little insight so you have aCLEAR understanding of the race on sat and sun. Leib is a BIG boy and...
WAWAZAT,

Let me give you a little insight so you have aCLEAR understanding of the race on sat and sun. Leib is a BIG boy and made his decision based on a talk he had with Steve who he has clearly said he respects and gave him an awesome chance to race! Steve, Michael along with myself (disclaimer: been a close family friend for 10+ yrs) spoke and it was not clear on how the riders would be treated for sunday if they did not ride sat heat. Leib understood the issue and if they went off of sat timed practice times he would have a total shit gate pick! Steve supported him not riding but also asked that he consider doing a site lap to confirm the track conditions and if not safe to not ride. Leib did just that and made his own decision to race based on what he saw and that fact he is a professional. Have you herd the kid go on about his bike last year even after the disaster he had?? NO! Why... because he does HIS JOB and acts in a professional manner even in a shit storm!
The fact you pick something so small as a ONE tweet or post his father posted is totally childish just like the boys in mexico in MY opinion.

Please sack up and be clear what your issue is with Leib and his decision to ride? Are you some union nut and feel the gang mentality is the best way?? Do you have some issue with a kid riding a bike as a fill in rider and doing pretty freaking good? Why not come out from behind your keyboard??

But hey the keyboard is a god fence to hide behind for some i guess! Wink
I thought I had a clear understanding. I read what the kid wrote, it's you and his dad spinning it. All I can do is take it as it is, he said he raced cause Steve asked him to. He didn't say Steve asked him to do a sight lap, those words are yours and his dads. I see his tweet as being "don't blame me for racing, I was just doing what I was told, by a guy I respect." May or may not be the case, but that's how it sounds to so some.

Michael wanted to race, and he seems to own the statement. I'm fine with that, it's just the spinning of everytime something goes down with him, there is a spin from his side, not him, but his dad, and now you. Gets annoying.

Union nut? No, not at all. I do think unions help in the sporting world though, owners would take advantage of athletes if not for unions.

No issue with him riding as a fill in rider, basically he isn't getting many offers to ride here, so he should take the ride overseas. That's what I said about a week ago on here about him. Now, he has pissed some of the top guys in the gp's off, and he should ride back here in the states. He will have a target on his ass now if he rides the gp's.

I'm not hiding behind a keyboard at all. I don't just talk smack from behind a keyboard either. I have told DC how I feel about Glen Helen not having a National. I also told him I don't like timed qualifying or the numbering system. Yes I have said things to DC on here, that I shouldn't of, I feel bad about it and have apologized to him for it. There were things being discussed that I didn't have a clear understanding of his side. I'm not someone who shys away from my takes when in front of someone.

It doesn't change my life at all where the kid rides, I just think when your a fill in rider you don't make waves against your competition. Doesn't matter the sport, if your there on a temp basis, keep a low profile.

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5/15/2012 6:17pm
Wawazat, you don't have to explain yourself, in my book. You have always stood behind your words and opinions and our bench racing is beneficial because you bring your honest opinion, I haven't read all this Mexicao stuff -- these are some lonnnnng posts -- but you're always interested and passionate and educated on the topics , we just don't always agree, and that makes it interesting.

I also know Don and Michael, and they are very different from some of the other parents brought up here. Michael's a smart young professional who does things his own way. I appreciate that too.

I hope Michael comes back to the nationals. If he doesn't, I hope he and Steve Dixon. (and Zach) get some wins!

DC
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5/15/2012 6:56pm
TeamGreen wrote:
U.S. Replacement Rider: +200 points

Euro-Brats: -100

Really disappointed in that little shit, Desalle.

I think this about covers it, for me.
+1

The World Championship rounds not held in Europe sure go over well LOL Whistling

(just kidding.. Bring On Brazil!)
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5/15/2012 7:25pm
DC wrote:
Wawazat, you don't have to explain yourself, in my book. You have always stood behind your words and opinions and our bench racing is beneficial because...
Wawazat, you don't have to explain yourself, in my book. You have always stood behind your words and opinions and our bench racing is beneficial because you bring your honest opinion, I haven't read all this Mexicao stuff -- these are some lonnnnng posts -- but you're always interested and passionate and educated on the topics , we just don't always agree, and that makes it interesting.

I also know Don and Michael, and they are very different from some of the other parents brought up here. Michael's a smart young professional who does things his own way. I appreciate that too.

I hope Michael comes back to the nationals. If he doesn't, I hope he and Steve Dixon. (and Zach) get some wins!

DC
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You have to convince Steve to come to US and for his team here, i think will be more cool and will have the double of publicity than in the GPs!
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5/17/2012 9:40pm
Just curious and I'm not trying to instigate any bad mouthing, but what would you do, DC, if the riders were to decide to not ride a National or Supercross because of similar reasons? (i.e. rocks at Las Vegas, dust at Elsinore, speeds at Pala)

Also what are the thoughts of an International Riders Union? I think protest is good but only if it is organized. The choice Michael made to race was his own and I support it. If he were apart of an organization for the advancement of the rights of riders and went against them for a solely better result, that would be a different story, but seeing as the situation was complete anarchy, he did what was best in the situation. I think it also shows his dedication to the sport and the solidarity that he shared with the team will surely factor into him receiving better better rides, in the future.
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5/18/2012 2:44am
JustMX wrote:
Ha....... Dangerous? euro pansies! If you want to see dangerous, if you want to know what it is like to walk on a razors edge barefoot...
Ha.......

Dangerous?

euro pansies!

If you want to see dangerous, if you want to know what it is like to walk on a razors edge barefoot, If you want to see injuries, then come and race the American Supercross series and/or the practice tracks you have to ride on to prepare for it......

and unfortunately I am not being sarcastic
What wonderful land of fairies and fruitcakes are you living in?

Come ride some real motocross in real sand before you go bring your nancy pancy little, not get dirty, whats a braking bump indoor series into the conversation WHICH has nothing to do with SX or you.

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