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ricko 10/31/2011 4:26pm
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I have a 7D, along with a 70-200 f2.8, 17-40 f2.8, all canon glass and a 580ex II flash. Love all of it, great for moto. I started cheap with a rebel xt tho and worked my way up to this, but if ya got the money burning a hole in your pocket dont hold back ha. I used to shoot lots and lots of video, done stuff with Allegiance MX (Now Vurb Moto), and I still cant see this 7D replacing my Panasonic video camera but some people like it. I buy everything at B&H, the 7D was out of stock like all summer so I bought that from Adorama camera thru Amazon.com.
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GuyB 10/31/2011 4:40pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
I guess someone who doesn't have the camera, but read about it on forums equally as prone to dipshittedness as this one, should shut the fuck...
I guess someone who doesn't have the camera, but read about it on forums equally as prone to dipshittedness as this one, should shut the fuck up rather than making smart ass comments about how it may or may not be too much for someone they've never met.
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SuperMario,

I'll put this as nicely as possible. In the quoted posts above, one of you is a valued member of the site, and one of you is a know-it-all troll. I'll bet 99 out of 100 members here could easily pick out which is which, and no, you wouldn't be on the winning end.
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ruckus 10/31/2011 4:43pm
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nickm wrote:
Its a pro level camera, and yes the auto focus is very feature filled - but it allows you to get shots that would otherwise be...
Its a pro level camera, and yes the auto focus is very feature filled - but it allows you to get shots that would otherwise be impossible to capture manually. What you read on the internet is from consumers buying a camera that is way over their head, kind of like someone complaining that a full mod 450 MXer is too tough to ride when you don't know how to ride.

Just to put it in perspective, I'm in the broadcasting business and we use them in the field to shoot HD video clips in cases where a traditional TV camera is too bulky to bring along. The 7D isn't a toy!.

And BTW to really make use of a 7D, the body is the cheap part, you'd need around $3K in lenses to make it worthwhile
Good responses but to clarify... not a pro level body. Its a prosumer body. Something tells me SuperMario would go full cardiac on a MK body, lol.

7d great, easy to use camera Tbteam.
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Sully 10/31/2011 4:45pm
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I'll also chime in for B&H. Almost every piece of gear I have came from there, and they have been nothing but helpful. One thing I will say about buying from them (especially at this time of year), is that the owners are Jewish and they close the entire store for every Jewish holiday. If you plan on using them, I would pull the trigger soon, before the holiday season gets into full swing, otherwise you may end up waiting a while.

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RexBackman 10/31/2011 4:52pm
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My 2 cents though I do not shoot too much moto these days...:

If Paul Buckley had power to his house today he would be telling you that the 7D is fine - 'good specs..', thats what he mentioned to me when I queried him about the 5D and 7D earlier this year in email. The 7D seems more moto friendly as well.

Thumbs up to B&H. No issues with them at all and I have purchased Canon bodies and multiple Canon lenses through them. They are legit and trustworthy.

As GuyB mentioned, if you are ever in NYC then do check them out - its quite the place...
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FreshTopEnd 10/31/2011 6:15pm
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carlosmacho wrote:
I would agree the 7d has a level of adjustement not found in beginner cameras, But a beginner using the center AF sensor only with a...
I would agree the 7d has a level of adjustement not found in beginner cameras, But a beginner using the center AF sensor only with a lens with f2.8 or larger will get good result as far as AF goes equal to that of say a 60d. So it is only as complex as you want to get. Simplicity breeds limitations, flexability breeds complexity. The 7d has both which can be used by a beginner and by a pro. No doubt the 60d has presets that make it easier for the beginner that does not want to learn but digital cameras allow chimping so you can look at your images instantly so it is much easier to learn than back in the old film days.. I think Pros loved film because it was difficult and most people would just give up trying to learn thus lessening the competition, digital is a lot easier to learn which has put mediocre pro photographers out of business IMHO.
I don't think there were any mediocre pros shooting film for the reason your stated; you need to know what you're doing to nail it consistently and there's not PS post-production safety net. And I can't think of any of the pros shooting film that transitioned who aren't as solid and thriving thriving after the transition based on the quality of their work.

But digital sure has made it easier for anyone to take a shot at it, and a very few out of those that did have really come through to establish themselves over the course of years as solid shooters selling for commercial rates. However, mediocre shooters underselling commercial rates have made it difficult for some of the best pros to justify coming to the track anymore. But that's not because the new guys are superior, more often they're not; they're just cheaper and willing to play that.
Black Diesel Bomber 10/31/2011 6:17pm
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My 2 cents:

1. Buy used for sure - you will save a TON of money. I own/have owned just about every body/lens Canon makes and I've bought most of it used...never had a problem with any of the used gear. Most of it is used very little from someone who bought it and never used it.

2. As others have said buy glass first. On a budget the 70-200 f/2.8 or f/4 NON IS are the best bang for the buck if you plan to shoot in good light. My 70-200 f/2.8 NON IS is very close in performance to my $2200 70-200 f/2.8 IS II assuming you don't need the IS for sports. There are a ton of expensive garbage lenses so do your homework.

3. If you plan to shoot moto i would suggest a used 1DII/Rebel T2i combo over a 7D unless you plan to do a lot of high ISO sports shooting then the 7D would be better. You cannot go wrong with a used 1DII for about $600, it's a no brainer. Stick with a rebel T2i for video which can be found for approx $500 used. So you could get a 1DII/T2i for less than the price of a 7D. I own all of them plus many more pro bodies so I think this is a pretty non-biased opinion.

Good luck and find some good used gear.
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Tbteam 10/31/2011 6:54pm
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To be a bit more clear, I have a Rebel XTi now, with 200mm and 85mm generic glass. Obviously this is not pro stuff, but I really enjoy getting out and shooting moto and other things with the family.

I guess I'm not all that motivated to learn the craft unless I know that the camera and glass that I am using is capable of really nice work. I'm not feeling it right now.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I was well aware of B&H, and really understand the value of a great supplier.
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ricko 10/31/2011 7:13pm
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Get sum better glass on it and you'll be amazed.
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nickm 11/1/2011 5:21pm
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nickm wrote:
Its a pro level camera, and yes the auto focus is very feature filled - but it allows you to get shots that would otherwise be...
Its a pro level camera, and yes the auto focus is very feature filled - but it allows you to get shots that would otherwise be impossible to capture manually. What you read on the internet is from consumers buying a camera that is way over their head, kind of like someone complaining that a full mod 450 MXer is too tough to ride when you don't know how to ride.

Just to put it in perspective, I'm in the broadcasting business and we use them in the field to shoot HD video clips in cases where a traditional TV camera is too bulky to bring along. The 7D isn't a toy!.

And BTW to really make use of a 7D, the body is the cheap part, you'd need around $3K in lenses to make it worthwhile
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Good responses but to clarify... not a pro level body. Its a prosumer body. Something tells me SuperMario would go full cardiac on a MK body...
Good responses but to clarify... not a pro level body. Its a prosumer body. Something tells me SuperMario would go full cardiac on a MK body, lol.

7d great, easy to use camera Tbteam.
Correct, just trying to let him know how good it actually is (ie: lots of people out there earning a living with a 7D). As I mentioned in my first post its not a full frame camera, you need to go 5D or higher end for that...not likely something he'd need at this point unless the OP is planning on making a living taking photos or for whatever reason needs a full frame camera for a specific type of photo taking.
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mjskier 11/1/2011 6:18pm
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I don't know the Canon side of things, but using my Nikon experience, what you gain with a full frame is low light performance.
I have both a D300 and a D700. Both are 12 megapixel cameras. But the 12 megapixels are crammed on a smaller sensor in the D300. So as you crank up the ISO the image on the D300 deteriorate faster. For me it makes a big difference since I mostly shoot indoor girl volleyball (think indoor poorly lit high school gyms: f2.8, 1/250s, ISO 2000-3200)

For MX though, it probably doesn't matter since usually you are outdoor in the sun. A couple of people have mentioned it already: Invest in high quality lenses. In a few years your $1500 camera will be worthless. Your $1500 lens will still be around $1300.
If you can live with the tighter framing that a smaller sensor gives you, then a full frame isn't necessary to take professional photos.
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drmarkr 11/1/2011 8:06pm
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Costco had a D7000 set up today....$1699 with a bunch of crap that I didn't bother looking to see what it was....not that I'd know anyways. I think I saw two lenses in the package....
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FreshTopEnd 11/1/2011 8:10pm
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Personally, I'd stay away from the kits; the lenses often aren't terrific (the 5dMkII 24-105 kit is an exception). Sometimes it's better to get a naked body and add a lens or two picked for use.
Paul Buckley 11/1/2011 8:41pm
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You won't regret shopping at B&H
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nickm 11/2/2011 10:33am
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I agree avoid the kits. Buy the body and invest in lenses. Lenses are a lifetime investment so if you're choosing Nikon vs. Canon its often the lens that drives the decision vs. the body.

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