The 21y age limit made the MX2 class at the MXDN Weak...

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 8:43pm
Look at the names who where riding the MX2 class. The First 5 where good and then you have 2-3 guys with bad luck but the other level??

1 8 Roczen, Ken
2 20 Musquin, Marvin
3 5 Roelants, Joel
4 2 Baggett, Blake
5 11 Wilson, Dean
6 111 Bastemeijer, Donny
7 117 Terreblance, Shannon
8 59 Edmonds, Stuart
9 44 Rätsep, Priit
10 114 Tonkov, Aleksandr
11 38 Butron, Jose Antonio
12 120 Olsen, Stefan Kjer
13 32 Seewer, Jeremy
14 41 Söderberg, Ludvig
15 56 Mihara, Takuya
16 26 Alberto, Paulo
17 35 Rauchenecker, Pascal
18 14 Lupino, Alessandro
19 17 Moss, Matt
20 126 Sukup, Marek
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Ddavis 9/18/2011 2:21pm
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True, but all of those "No-names" are respectable top riders from their country, Pascal Rauchenecker for example finished 9th I think at the final GP of the season and will probably be a dark horse for next year. A lot of young kids are in the MX2 class at Des Nations that are fast, but unknown in the states/other parts of the world.
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MXMattii 9/18/2011 2:25pm
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For a part i'm with you on that one but some guys are just choisen because they are under 21 ...
I think if there wasn't a age limit that some guys weren't representing there country ...
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Mstock 9/18/2011 3:00pm
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The rule works in the actual GP Series. Not the DesNations. No way these guys are among the greatest riders in the world.

6 111 Bastemeijer, Donny
7 117 Terreblance, Shannon
8 59 Edmonds, Stuart
9 44 Rätsep, Priit
10 114 Tonkov, Aleksandr
11 38 Butron, Jose Antonio
12 120 Olsen, Stefan Kjer
13 32 Seewer, Jeremy
14 41 Söderberg, Ludvig
15 56 Mihara, Takuya
16 26 Alberto, Paulo
17 35 Rauchenecker, Pascal
18 14 Lupino, Alessandro
19 17 Moss, Matt
20 126 Sukup, Marek
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MXMattii 9/18/2011 3:11pm
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Mstock wrote:
The rule works in the actual GP Series. Not the DesNations. No way these guys are among the greatest riders in the world. 6 111 Bastemeijer...
The rule works in the actual GP Series. Not the DesNations. No way these guys are among the greatest riders in the world.

6 111 Bastemeijer, Donny
7 117 Terreblance, Shannon
8 59 Edmonds, Stuart
9 44 Rätsep, Priit
10 114 Tonkov, Aleksandr
11 38 Butron, Jose Antonio
12 120 Olsen, Stefan Kjer
13 32 Seewer, Jeremy
14 41 Söderberg, Ludvig
15 56 Mihara, Takuya
16 26 Alberto, Paulo
17 35 Rauchenecker, Pascal
18 14 Lupino, Alessandro
19 17 Moss, Matt
20 126 Sukup, Marek
Indeed MStock... In the GP's the rule is defensible but at the Motocross des Nation it is total crap!

PS: I'm more for a 4 seasons MX2 limit in the Grand Prix's but this 21y makes the MX1 very stacked!

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henry zweers 9/18/2011 3:19pm
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but what is the mx2 class?? a boy's class or a vetran class?? i prever the boy's
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MXMattii 9/18/2011 3:40pm
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@Henry Zweers ... At the Grand Prix's it has to be a boys class but at the Motocross des Nations everyone wanna see the 3 best guys of his country. Not the 2 best guys and one under 23 year... You understand my point not??

@The Mx Addict... Same shit, same point. It didn't make the MX2 class at the MXDN good... In the past, old guys switching from 500cc to 125cc was one of the things that made the MXDN cool... Now because of this rule that isn't there anymore.
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NunyoBizness 9/18/2011 3:47pm
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MXMattii, its over, you lose again, move on and quit making a fool of yourself with all this stupid bullshit you keep posting!
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Ddavis 9/18/2011 3:52pm
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NunyoBizness wrote:
MXMattii, its over, you lose again, move on and quit making a fool of yourself with all this stupid bullshit you keep posting!
I see you're using my picture from Vegas as your avatar.
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MXMattii 9/18/2011 3:57pm
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MXMattii, its over, you lose again, move on and quit making a fool of yourself with all this stupid bullshit you keep posting!
I don’t like the age-limit rule on the MX2 class. It doesn’t help guys who can’t adapt to a 450 or can’t find a team to get on. The MX2 class runs right alongside the MX1 guys, and to me it’s as prestigious a class. To limit the age rule makes it seem like it’s not for the “real” racers or whatever. I don’t get it—make it open to everyone. Guys like Xavier Boog weren’t ready to go up, but oops, sorry about that, Boogster—you hit the age limit. Good luck in 450s!

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NunyoBizness 9/18/2011 4:01pm
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Funny how this is such a big issue to you the day the US wins the MXDN
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Mstock 9/18/2011 4:14pm
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The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top mx talent on the planet at any one time to have 2 world mx classes, and 2 US National classes both with 40 riders on the gate of similar talent. Maybe a better rule would be to go to timed qualifying and adapt something like the F1 107% rule. If you are 7% slower than the top guy you are out of the event. The average person who see's an event on tv might actual watch it if there was 30 minutes of tight racing for the lead. So what if its a 5 rider gate at some events. Its racing right? Not riding.

As far as the MXoN. Make it 1 rider from each country since many countries do not have 3 top riders regardless of age or bike size. USA would still win most of them but it would make it more interesting.
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MXMattii 9/18/2011 4:32pm
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Mstock wrote:
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top...
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top mx talent on the planet at any one time to have 2 world mx classes, and 2 US National classes both with 40 riders on the gate of similar talent. Maybe a better rule would be to go to timed qualifying and adapt something like the F1 107% rule. If you are 7% slower than the top guy you are out of the event. The average person who see's an event on tv might actual watch it if there was 30 minutes of tight racing for the lead. So what if its a 5 rider gate at some events. Its racing right? Not riding.

As far as the MXoN. Make it 1 rider from each country since many countries do not have 3 top riders regardless of age or bike size. USA would still win most of them but it would make it more interesting.
That is a totally different discussion but in the '80 and '90 you had a full gate but then there was still something to gain for Privateers in the Motocross World Championship. Back in those days you even had 3 classes with 40guys on the gate.
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henry zweers wrote:
but what is the mx2 class?? a boy's class or a vetran class?? i prever the boy's
Are you a Catholic Priest ?Wink
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Mstock 9/18/2011 6:52pm
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Mstock wrote:
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top...
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top mx talent on the planet at any one time to have 2 world mx classes, and 2 US National classes both with 40 riders on the gate of similar talent. Maybe a better rule would be to go to timed qualifying and adapt something like the F1 107% rule. If you are 7% slower than the top guy you are out of the event. The average person who see's an event on tv might actual watch it if there was 30 minutes of tight racing for the lead. So what if its a 5 rider gate at some events. Its racing right? Not riding.

As far as the MXoN. Make it 1 rider from each country since many countries do not have 3 top riders regardless of age or bike size. USA would still win most of them but it would make it more interesting.
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That is a totally different discussion but in the '80 and '90 you had a full gate but then there was still something to gain for...
That is a totally different discussion but in the '80 and '90 you had a full gate but then there was still something to gain for Privateers in the Motocross World Championship. Back in those days you even had 3 classes with 40guys on the gate.
Dude its 2011. Forget about the 80's and 90's. Sorry but there has never been a time that justified a 40 rider gate. Why hold on to what has not worked for over 50 years? Just to provide opportunity to riders who have no chance at winning? Is that good for the growth of the sport? Does that make average people want to watch? What other motorsport is it predetermined that 90% of the field has zero chance of winning and everyone is ok with that? This sport is a world of the have and the have nots. The winner makes millions per year and 10th place makes 50 grand. That is not going to grow the greatest sport on earth.
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Mstock wrote:
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top...
The rule exists to fill one 40 rider gate with top talent. It helps the cause but falls way short. There simply is not enough top mx talent on the planet at any one time to have 2 world mx classes, and 2 US National classes both with 40 riders on the gate of similar talent. Maybe a better rule would be to go to timed qualifying and adapt something like the F1 107% rule. If you are 7% slower than the top guy you are out of the event. The average person who see's an event on tv might actual watch it if there was 30 minutes of tight racing for the lead. So what if its a 5 rider gate at some events. Its racing right? Not riding.

As far as the MXoN. Make it 1 rider from each country since many countries do not have 3 top riders regardless of age or bike size. USA would still win most of them but it would make it more interesting.
MXMattii wrote:
That is a totally different discussion but in the '80 and '90 you had a full gate but then there was still something to gain for...
That is a totally different discussion but in the '80 and '90 you had a full gate but then there was still something to gain for Privateers in the Motocross World Championship. Back in those days you even had 3 classes with 40guys on the gate.
Mstock wrote:
Dude its 2011. Forget about the 80's and 90's. Sorry but there has never been a time that justified a 40 rider gate. Why hold on...
Dude its 2011. Forget about the 80's and 90's. Sorry but there has never been a time that justified a 40 rider gate. Why hold on to what has not worked for over 50 years? Just to provide opportunity to riders who have no chance at winning? Is that good for the growth of the sport? Does that make average people want to watch? What other motorsport is it predetermined that 90% of the field has zero chance of winning and everyone is ok with that? This sport is a world of the have and the have nots. The winner makes millions per year and 10th place makes 50 grand. That is not going to grow the greatest sport on earth.
Actually 100% on the riders on a 40 rider gate have a chance of winning. If you took 35 of those riders away, then those 35 riders would now have a 0% chance of winning, and make 0 dollars.

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