Professional motocross has a ways to go.

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redalert144 9/3/2011 10:10pm
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Mstock wrote:
Good post. There was a time (1980's) when there were almost 15 guys who wanted to and could win a outdoor national. My question is why...
Good post. There was a time (1980's) when there were almost 15 guys who wanted to and could win a outdoor national.

My question is why do they still have a 40 rider gate in the US Nat's?

Money for the promoter, track owner, teams, etc?

It's a total joke to the fans.
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Why does NASCAR still have 43 cars, why does the NFL have 32 teams, etc etc. That post was stupid and has no point
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The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the...
The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the superbowl.
The 3rd place rider wasn't 8 sec a lap slower today either
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and bikes on the showroom floor that last more than 100 trail hours before needing thousands of dollars. viva la braaaaap
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 10:13pm
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but watch when honda rolls out vtec and direct injection mxa and all the rest will swear its better than sliced bread. why no vtec on the older 450s? what would they sell us on on 2013? its all marketing bs we are the lemmings
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like the 250f dual injectors. my streetbike had that for years. theyll never get much more than 60 hp out of a works 450 physics wont allow it we are at the edge. time for a new fad

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twin cylinder di two strokes maybe? that would be some 250 60 hp and rev as high as a 250f ..... o man
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i want sportscenter coverage
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Mstock 9/3/2011 10:21pm
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redalert144 wrote:
Why does NASCAR still have 43 cars, why does the NFL have 32 teams, etc etc. That post was stupid and has no point
Mstock wrote:
The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the...
The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the superbowl.
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The 3rd place rider wasn't 8 sec a lap slower today either
I must have watched a different Fuel TV broadcast than you. Fro and Weege both said the words and then repeated it.

Gentleman. The sport is composed of several riders who are very well healed. Factory bikes, personal tracks, personal trainers, free vehicles, million dollar houses, full boat sponsor deals. That is the top 3-4. They are multi-millionares.

The rest don't have shit in comparison. Is that the way to get all 40 guys on the gate capable of winning titles?
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twin cylinder di two strokes maybe? that would be some 250 60 hp and rev as high as a 250f ..... o man
Twin cylinder bikes are illegal
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redalert144 9/3/2011 10:48pm
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Mstock wrote:
The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the...
The 3rd place driver in Nascar is not 8 seconds a lap slower. 30 teams in the nfl do not have zero chance of winning the superbowl.
redalert144 wrote:
The 3rd place rider wasn't 8 sec a lap slower today either
Mstock wrote:
I must have watched a different Fuel TV broadcast than you. Fro and Weege both said the words and then repeated it. Gentleman. The sport is...
I must have watched a different Fuel TV broadcast than you. Fro and Weege both said the words and then repeated it.

Gentleman. The sport is composed of several riders who are very well healed. Factory bikes, personal tracks, personal trainers, free vehicles, million dollar houses, full boat sponsor deals. That is the top 3-4. They are multi-millionares.

The rest don't have shit in comparison. Is that the way to get all 40 guys on the gate capable of winning titles?
You are still up the stupid tree
lostboy819 9/3/2011 11:17pm
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I liked motocross better back when it was small potatoes.
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gsxr6 wrote:
twin cylinder di two strokes maybe? that would be some 250 60 hp and rev as high as a 250f ..... o man
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Twin cylinder bikes are illegal
Maybe they should all ride Banshees. Banshees are gnar.
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:24pm
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twin cylinder di two strokes maybe? that would be some 250 60 hp and rev as high as a 250f ..... o man
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Twin cylinder bikes are illegal
so were works bikes but that didnt stop the yzm 400 and yamaha and doug henry. they changed the rules. used to be cc was cc to but they changed the rule. aprilia races a v twin 450 in mx1 look it up. if honda wanted to sell two cylinder mxers tomorrow they would fold like a lawnchair and change the rule today.
lostboy819 9/3/2011 11:25pm
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I must have watched a different Fuel TV broadcast than you. Fro and Weege both said the words and then repeated it. Gentleman. The sport is...
I must have watched a different Fuel TV broadcast than you. Fro and Weege both said the words and then repeated it.

Gentleman. The sport is composed of several riders who are very well healed. Factory bikes, personal tracks, personal trainers, free vehicles, million dollar houses, full boat sponsor deals. That is the top 3-4. They are multi-millionares.

The rest don't have shit in comparison. Is that the way to get all 40 guys on the gate capable of winning titles?
You can put all 40 riders on the same bike and it will still be the same few who win, I dont think the finish order would even change much. motocross is more rider than bike. You can take the 40ths place NASCAR driver and put him in the first place car and he would be in the running for the win. You take the 40th place MX rider and put him on either one of the Ryans bikes and he would still be running at the back. he would just look better. Now In the 250 class he might gain a 6 or 7 spots but in the 450 class maybe a place or two. its not about the bike.
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gsxr6 wrote:
twin cylinder di two strokes maybe? that would be some 250 60 hp and rev as high as a 250f ..... o man
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Twin cylinder bikes are illegal
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so were works bikes but that didnt stop the yzm 400 and yamaha and doug henry. they changed the rules. used to be cc was cc...
so were works bikes but that didnt stop the yzm 400 and yamaha and doug henry. they changed the rules. used to be cc was cc to but they changed the rule. aprilia races a v twin 450 in mx1 look it up. if honda wanted to sell two cylinder mxers tomorrow they would fold like a lawnchair and change the rule today.
Have you ridden a twin cylinder two stroke? They aren't moto's greatest innovation, that's for sure. Think "no traction", "non-existent low end", and "overweight".
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:35pm
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well thats a good description of any 70s dirt bike. racing twins are banned because they will win. the cost was prohibitive. similar weight in a race bike ccs are ccs. the deal is the four strokes blow up and quick and are expensive. instead of a pissed customer spending 2000 every 100 hours to fix ur 4t u sell double the pistons to a happier rider who has more fun on his new fancy different cutting edge fad. i agree that the top 5 will be the top 5. but bikes and the sales of bikes drive our sport and its time for another drastic radical fad for us to buy. a two cylinder 4t would be insane to maintain but a two cylinder 2t? that would probably still be cheaper per race hour than a 4t single . and v twin would solve the width/ low end issues
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:40pm
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remember xr350 and 400 were shining examples of light powerful four strokes too. imagine a two stroke race platform with f1 level engineering. a v twin cr250 would own. total boss status
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:42pm
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honda is the biggest thing holding the next big revolution back. they are threatening non participation. i say let them race the old bike then. theyll lose
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:43pm
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a v twin crf450 might win. but a stock one would be a total pr disaster and failure. too much heat

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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:46pm
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if u ever seen a mx 4t with a broke timing chain u would understand a mechanics love of the 2t. snowmobilers like them cuz if it blows up they might die. four strokes is riskier for the same hp to weight.
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I think a number system like the wmx would bring in a few more fans because its kind of confusing if your flipping through the channels and you see 22 winning the race. Also privateers would get more love and get more recognized when they have good rides.

Another thing that has to change are these damn tracks. If the tracks weren't so damn one lined or if there was actually bowl turns in supercross than there would be some bar banging. Also the racing needs to go back to the 80's and 90' s where riders were actually aggressive and bang bars. Now these riders puss out over the littlest things.

If fucken Nascar(car going in circles for 5 hours) can make it to mainstream motocross/supercross can.
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velocitygear 9/3/2011 11:47pm
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the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs to change immediately! i have no idea what a sx brings in money wise but i have little doubt greedy "business" scum are pocketing fistfulls of cash...

Bubba shouldn't be making millions while 19th is just trying to get a ride. that's a fck'in joke!!!

why this hasn't changed is beyond me, but with all of the greed in this world, isn't it about time WE did something about it?

question is what? riders strike?
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nate191 9/3/2011 11:51pm
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the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs...
the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs to change immediately! i have no idea what a sx brings in money wise but i have little doubt greedy "business" scum are pocketing fistfulls of cash...

Bubba shouldn't be making millions while 19th is just trying to get a ride. that's a fck'in joke!!!

why this hasn't changed is beyond me, but with all of the greed in this world, isn't it about time WE did something about it?

question is what? riders strike?
Riders Union could fix a lot of those problems.

Someone needs to start it and make an attempt.
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velocitygear 9/3/2011 11:53pm
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the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs...
the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs to change immediately! i have no idea what a sx brings in money wise but i have little doubt greedy "business" scum are pocketing fistfulls of cash...

Bubba shouldn't be making millions while 19th is just trying to get a ride. that's a fck'in joke!!!

why this hasn't changed is beyond me, but with all of the greed in this world, isn't it about time WE did something about it?

question is what? riders strike?
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Riders Union could fix a lot of those problems.

Someone needs to start it and make an attempt.
wasn't reed doing something like that? what happened?

wonder if that's the reason the "industry" turned their backs on him, as he calls it???

if he was threatened in any way, would we have heard about it? i don't see him keeping something like that quite...
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gsxr6 9/3/2011 11:55pm
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make a new series and sanctioning body. have espn sponsor it so we are on sportscenter. have a 125 schoolboy class, a womens class, a any thing goes 250 class and a anything goes 450 class. bring back works engines call it r and d. it will trickle down.
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The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore.

Joe public could not give a shit about roost, ruts, tear offs, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, v twins, fitness levels and endurance.
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and i mean anything goes engines. let them try a 4 cylinder 450 if they desire. the cream will rise to the top ktm would build a 450 two stroke right now if ama allowed it to race. and a guy like rv reed dungey js7 metcalfe or brayton would just smash on it and they know it hence the crappy rules. in the 70 and 80s the bikes were super exciting and cutting edge people forget that. it was a technological arms race . that died in 1986 and mx has kinda declined in popularity ever since
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moto to me isnt about whatever different guy wins this year to me. it was about the bikes my whole life still is f those guys im jealous of them anyways. when they take the attention away from the machine and put it on the rider thats when ur hoodwinked. for me the appeal is the bikes its all about the bikes they need the focus on the bikes. then they can insert whatever rider they want and it wont matter. even the 20 th guy will be interesting even if its cuz his overweight four cylinder held him back. its a storyline man. tm sand casts engine. dynos 80 hp. blows up on 2nd lap and bubba breaks both wrist! that would be the shit!
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velocitygear 9/4/2011 12:06am
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Fat Fingers wrote:
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore. Joe public could not...
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore.

Joe public could not give a shit about roost, ruts, tear offs, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, v twins, fitness levels and endurance.
i don't think sx is long enough......

safety withheld- a split start, with the fast guys in back would be interesting.

now bubba; you cannot land on dudes or use them for traction, clean passes only.... two hand touch like Wink


doesn't nascar add weight to the fast cars? something to help even the playing field would be a good idea...
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nate191 9/4/2011 12:08am
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wasn't reed doing something like that? what happened? wonder if that's the reason the "industry" turned their backs on him, as he calls it??? if he...
wasn't reed doing something like that? what happened?

wonder if that's the reason the "industry" turned their backs on him, as he calls it???

if he was threatened in any way, would we have heard about it? i don't see him keeping something like that quite...
If i remember correctly on the pulpmx show a couple episodes back, Kenny(team manager of H&H) said they were some big industries meetings about getting a union together.

If riders, team owners, mechanics, etc. really wanted to get a union together it can happen. If it takes the top 20 supercross riders to sit out a couple races for the benefit of the sport and themselves than they should sack up and get this thing rolling.

Has there even been a legit attempt at it?
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The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore. Joe public could not...
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore.

Joe public could not give a shit about roost, ruts, tear offs, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, v twins, fitness levels and endurance.
Woa there. Mx shouldn't go changing the fundamentals to attract average Joe's. Joe can go to a supercross race if he doesn't like what mxer's consider the finer points of racing. Two long motos, roost, ruts, tear offs, fitness, and endurance must remain in order to stave off blasphemy. As for the motor style, Pros should race what's fastest on a track. Amateurs can race whatever strikes the right balance for them.

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