2001 CR250 $pecial restoration

Edited Date/Time 6/6/2017 4:49pm
I got this 2001 new in August 2000 in Saitama, Japan. I got it when the Seki-Motoroman Racing team got theirs from Honda, so it was one of the very first 2001's out of the factory. They are an HRC supported satellite race team that has had championship riders like Narita and Atsuta.

I have had a lot of bikes over the years, but this was one of my favorites of all time and could never let it go. I prefer riding it over the $25k 218lb titanium riddled CRF450 in the garage next to it. Best 2T 250 engine I have ridden, great handling. The only thing that was not good on this model was the forks with severe mid-stroke harshness. The race team had a contract with Kayaba for works suspension and I begged Kayaba to sell me a pair but they refused. I finally got Showa to sell me some works forks and they dropped it ofd at the Race shop before heading over to the Honda MX track which was just 10 minutes away where they were revalving the suspension for the Honda factory team a few days before a national race at the Honda track. I ran to the race shop and picked up the forks and brought it to the Showa tech while he was at the track and they set the valving for me (in Japan, the Showa truck will drive out and set up the suspension for the factory riders at each track). He got it absolutely perfect the first shot and by far the best set of forks I have ever ridden on. With these forks, the 2001 CR250 was perfect. The 2002+ turns very slightly better, but nothing major, and had better valved forks out of the box, but the last generation case reed engine was a big negative for me, so the 2001 was the pinnacle of 250 2T fun IMHO.

At 57 and after 47+ years of MX, I am winding down on the riding, but keep several bikes to look at and tinker with in my man cave. This CR250 still looked pristine after 17 years, but I wanted to really go through it and preserve one of the last great 250 2 strokes for someone to ride after I am long gone. The bike was completely stripped down to the frame and prepped with 220 grit sandpaper, red 3M pads and WD40. I then spent about 2 years and several thousand dollars finding discontinued NOS OEM parts, many which are no longer available from Honda, and that is probably what makes this special from your typical restoration which have lots of aftermarket parts. I found the OEM parts in the US, Europe, and Japan. Every piece of plastic on the bike, including the fuel tank and seat, as well as radiators, and a complete NOS rear suspension linkage are brand new OEM pieces. Some were very hard to find and I had to pay top dollar for the discontinued OEM parts. Most of the hardware, cylinder and cylinder head are still available and I purchased new OEM parts here, too, even though the original parts were still in great shape. There are a few HRC pieces on the bike too such as the ignition cover. The bike should look and run better than showroom when I am done. Hope you enjoy the build pics.

Here is a pic of some of the NOS OEM parts. Some are already on the bike.



Here is the new rear linkage found in the parts bin of a race team in Europe.



I even went as far as replacing the compression valve on the rear shock so that it would have a fresh red anodized adjuster like it would off the showroom.



Here are the works Showa forks;



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1/13/2017 6:04pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 6:05pm
Here is the new cylinder and cylinder head. many of the exhaust valve parts are no longer available or to be found new anywhere so I purchased what I could and borrowed some parts from the original cylinder. It was vey noticeable how the casting technique for the cylinder had changed over the 16-17 years, with the new Honda casting having fewer casting lines...



Here is the bike starting to come back together after much cleaning and lots of new parts;


1/13/2017 6:10pm
Here is the bike starting to come back together after much cleaning and lots of new parts;



The new Honda OEM hardware is not cheap, but nice stuff..







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1/13/2017 6:16pm
Very nice. Now, how about a few pics of the Camaro lurking in the background...

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1/13/2017 6:36pm
newmann wrote:
Very nice. Now, how about a few pics of the Camaro lurking in the background...
I betting that motor isn't oem... looks like a '70-73?
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1/13/2017 6:38pm
The Honda looks Factory!

That Camaro looks so badass! Post some pics
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1/13/2017 6:47pm
Awesome, and like said above the Z28 is making me super jealous!!
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1/13/2017 6:49pm
I bought a 2001 CR250 in September of 2000. It's the one bike I regret ever selling. I loved it.
1/13/2017 6:52pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 8:54pm
Off topic Newmann Wink but the car in the background is a 1973 RS Z28. I built the car from the frame up and the 772hp (6350 rpm) and 705 ft lbs tq (4200 rpm) engine. That car too has a lot of NOS GM parts including an almost complete NOS interior. The engine is a 401ci Dart Little M block and 8-71 Littlefield blower at 14 lbs of boost. I am old school, I guess.












1/13/2017 6:58pm
Hmm.. links above came out kind of funny... Here is a better engine pic with a slightly smaller blower than the one on there now.



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1/13/2017 7:02pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 7:02pm
01 250 is the last bike I ever owned. I loved the motor and the chassis, but like everyone else, hated the fork and didn't feel like dumping a bunch of money into it. I sold it a couple of years later with less than 10 hours on for next to nothing. I regret it to this day. I'm going to be interested in this build.

Camaro is pretty good looking too.
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1/13/2017 8:02pm
Hmm.. links above came out kind of funny... Here is a better engine pic with a slightly smaller blower than the one on there now. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/13/168925/s1200_P7221070.jpg[/img]
Hmm.. links above came out kind of funny... Here is a better engine pic with a slightly smaller blower than the one on there now.



Nice. Real Nice !!!
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1/13/2017 8:21pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 8:21pm
Oh man, that is going to be a beauty. Hands down my favorite bike ever.

If Honda made that bike again with the current generation forks/shock, and some other small upgrades, I'd pay $8000 otd for that all day long.
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1/13/2017 8:28pm
This thread delivers

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1/13/2017 8:38pm
Amazing. Tell us more about the fo fiddy!
1/13/2017 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 9:58pm
bents wrote:
Amazing. Tell us more about the fo fiddy!
I want to keep this thread dedicated to the CR250 and I have another dedicated thread from 18 or so months ago on the 450, but the 450 has quite a few HRC parts, carbon fiber fuel tank, engine mounts and other CF parts, complete titanium and aluminum hardware (including axles and pivot), CNC fork lugs, Ti shock spring, Geico Honda hubs (they are machined a bit lighter), Ti exhaust, Ron Hamp camshaft, Injectioneering Throttle body, GUTS phantom as well as Think Tech seats (I like the former better), Kashima and DLC coatings, Merge racing shock linkage, and a bunch more.. Please see the dedicated thread for more details.

I bought the 2012 as a leftover in 2013 as I did not care for the 2013 CRF.. I do not like air forks or dual exhaust and the 2009-2012 was the best looking CRF450 to date in terms of body work. Although it has several design problems that needed fixing, but is a fantastic bike after fixing what Honda screwed up. Ask Chad Reed about that generation CRF.







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1/13/2017 9:39pm
Beautiful bike. Fantastic work.
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1/13/2017 10:12pm
Ahh the forks those are true Kit 47mm forks. There is always that distinction between "B" kit forks in 47mm. You always know the actual showa kit 47mm forks becasue of the red tops and all the internals are kashima along with actuan national spring tubes. Nice bike!
1/13/2017 10:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 11:32pm
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Ahh the forks those are true Kit 47mm forks. There is always that distinction between "B" kit forks in 47mm. You always know the actual showa...
Ahh the forks those are true Kit 47mm forks. There is always that distinction between "B" kit forks in 47mm. You always know the actual showa kit 47mm forks becasue of the red tops and all the internals are kashima along with actuan national spring tubes. Nice bike!
Yes, they are 47mm and have Kashima and other coating on the fork internals. The anodizing is fading on the caps after many washings, but Showa numbered each fork assembly and I think they made about 200 assemblies each year at that time. I believe the 200 number got around the AMA production rule in the 125 class and allowed riders to use works forks in the 125 class, if I recall correctly. I got #29 and #30 that Showa made in 2001 (#01A29 and #01A30). Good stuff!



1/13/2017 11:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 11:31pm
Clean Honda 2-strokes get me so rodded.

Here's my '02 CR250:



(I post this pic whenever I have the opportunity because it's probably my favorite possession)

1/13/2017 11:38pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2017 11:42pm
When I wasn't screwing around on the internet this evening, I got a little more done on the 250.. put new vent hoses on the Mikuni carb. I had a fit jetting this carb when I got the bike.. couldn't do it until I got the jetting the Honda team was using.. then it became a truly great carb. I am happy to share the carb setting if anyone needs it.



Put on the radiators, but the silicone hoses I got for it are way too long and need to be cut. Anyone have a nice, neat way to cut silicone hoses?

I used aluminum cleaner (mild acid) on the magnesium ignition cover.. big mistake... it left blotches.





1/13/2017 11:53pm
TripleFive wrote:
Clean Honda 2-strokes get me so rodded. Here's my '02 CR250: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/13/168959/s1200_IMG_5832.JPG.jpg[/img] (I post this pic whenever I have the opportunity because it's probably my favorite...
Clean Honda 2-strokes get me so rodded.

Here's my '02 CR250:



(I post this pic whenever I have the opportunity because it's probably my favorite possession)

That is a 2001 bike like mine.. very nice. Is it a clean restoration or hardly ridden? Hard to believe these bikes are 17 years old now. Unlike other generation CR250s, these only had a very short 2 year run. the previous generation was 3 years (97-99) and the final generation ran 6 years (2002-2007)! The previous generation had junk, stiff, vibrating frames and were fugly. The last generation are a dime a dozen. The 2000-2001 CR's are a rarer bird as good as they were, and the last piston port 2 stroke 250 engine from Honda.
1/14/2017 12:13am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2017 12:15am
Embarrassingly for me, you're right! I don't know why I had '02 in my mind! [EDIT: Yes, I do know why I had 2002 in mind; the GMC truck pictured behind it is a 2002]

It's hardly ridden. The only aftermarket parts on it are the fork guards (which turn yellow after 17 years), a rear fender (which had weird discoloring), and a expansion chamber and silencer (so it can be ridden on the trails).

I'm jazzed to see how yours turns out, keep us posted!
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1/14/2017 3:19am
I had one of those 2001 cr's and someone at the time was making power valve cover spacers intended to increase power valve volume for better low end. I fabricated my own and I would recommend trying to find find one if you are going to be riding it and want a little more bottom.
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1/14/2017 3:26am
Wow.. this thread is freaking sick in every way. Please keep the awesome machines coming.
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1/14/2017 7:39am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2017 9:57am
Nice Smile

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1/14/2017 7:55am
Awesome build! I had a brand new 00 model. I also regret getting rid of it. Couple years ago I built my hybrid, it's the best of both late generations. I'll looking forward to the finished product! Here is a shot of mine.

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I regret getting rid of mine.

I want to see some smoke off those Camaro tires!

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