Silver and gold

RONJ OSE
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So I have a little extra spending money, I was looking into buying some 1 ounce bars of gold( maybe 5) and then 45 ounces of silver, but I can’t decide to get silver in bars rounds coin or if I go with bars I’d round 5oz or 1.
Thanks for the help guys
Any input about silver and gold would be good
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6/22/2019 9:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2019 9:48pm
I've been buying like crazy the last 6 months. My personal recommendation is getting American gold and silver eagle coins. Every coin shop and anyone remotely familiar with precious metals is quite familiar with them. They're very trusted and is the most liquid coin you can have. Every coin shop will give you spot or a little more, not the case for all coins. They're minted by the us mint and are legal tender, but are worth far more than face value. Pretty cool history with them, as they were started by Reagan in 86. The silver eagles come in 1 oz, but the gold eagles start in 1/10th oz up to 1 oz.

Gold broke out from key resistance this week and is looking real good, but I think silver is the better play currently. It's on sale big time with the 90 to 1 silver/gold ratio.
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I see the commercials for silver all the time, different companies, all saying "buy silver because it's low, and prices will almost assuredly go way up".

That sounds good , but why are these smart people selling low? Seems like investment 101 says "buy low, sell high".

I'm clearly missing something.
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6/23/2019 8:14am
There's a few factors converging making particularly silver look good for a breakout. It is a safe haven asset and with the global economy slowing and this credit cycle getting pretty dang old it's looking more attractive. Another factor is a supply crunch becoming more apparent with more mines shutting down.
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So why are these capital companies selling now?
Why not sit on it until it goes up?

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6/23/2019 9:06am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 9:10am
I don't know about every company but if you're in the business of selling silver then you've got to sell at today's price. they get it for spot and then sell for a couple bucks over spot. They're in the business for the markup, not the speculation. I'm sure there's plenty of hoarding going on though.
RONJ OSE
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6/23/2019 9:56am
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is a good guy
I think I may pull the trigger on 3 1/2 pounds of silver and about 3 ounces of gold, I understand the cost n thing but I think i would rather have bars, just because there cooler
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6/23/2019 10:03am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 10:14am
I would be wary of the gold bars there are many fake gold bars being sold to unsuspecting folks.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/could-be-huge-gold-bar-certif…

http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html

https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2018/11/12/jpmorgan-chase-trader-plead…

Also how are you going to spend gold and silver bars, coins etc..who will be able to make change when you go to buy something? plus a bit skeptical on sellers who tell you to buy gold and silver because the dollar is soon to be worthless but accept those same worthless dollars for their gold and silver.

On silver i do have a bunch of what they call junk silver old dimes, quarters, and half dollars from pre 64 when all change was silver. That will be much easier to make transactions with and not get taken.
Currently dimes are .90 each quarters $2.25 and half's $4.50.

My main stocking is food and water if shit really hits the fan these items will serve you much better than gold and silver.

factoryfatty
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6/23/2019 10:32am
RONJ OSE wrote:
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is...
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is a good guy
I think I may pull the trigger on 3 1/2 pounds of silver and about 3 ounces of gold, I understand the cost n thing but I think i would rather have bars, just because there cooler
The reason gold and silver Eagles are so trusted is because it's relatively easy to confirm there ligit, not the case with bars like was said above. It'll be harder to sell versus an eagle coin.
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6/23/2019 10:37am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 10:38am
motomojo wrote:
I would be wary of the gold bars there are many fake gold bars being sold to unsuspecting folks. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/could-be-huge-gold-bar-certified-royal-canadian-mint-exposed-fake http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2018/11/12/jpmorgan-chase-trader-pleads-guilty-001648 Also how are you...
I would be wary of the gold bars there are many fake gold bars being sold to unsuspecting folks.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/could-be-huge-gold-bar-certif…

http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html

https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2018/11/12/jpmorgan-chase-trader-plead…

Also how are you going to spend gold and silver bars, coins etc..who will be able to make change when you go to buy something? plus a bit skeptical on sellers who tell you to buy gold and silver because the dollar is soon to be worthless but accept those same worthless dollars for their gold and silver.

On silver i do have a bunch of what they call junk silver old dimes, quarters, and half dollars from pre 64 when all change was silver. That will be much easier to make transactions with and not get taken.
Currently dimes are .90 each quarters $2.25 and half's $4.50.

My main stocking is food and water if shit really hits the fan these items will serve you much better than gold and silver.

I am All ready stacked on food water ammo etc
But just wanted something that would hold value I also plan on testing the bars
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6/23/2019 10:38am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 10:39am
motomojo wrote:
I would be wary of the gold bars there are many fake gold bars being sold to unsuspecting folks. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/could-be-huge-gold-bar-certified-royal-canadian-mint-exposed-fake http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2018/11/12/jpmorgan-chase-trader-pleads-guilty-001648 Also how are you...
I would be wary of the gold bars there are many fake gold bars being sold to unsuspecting folks.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/could-be-huge-gold-bar-certif…

http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html

https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2018/11/12/jpmorgan-chase-trader-plead…

Also how are you going to spend gold and silver bars, coins etc..who will be able to make change when you go to buy something? plus a bit skeptical on sellers who tell you to buy gold and silver because the dollar is soon to be worthless but accept those same worthless dollars for their gold and silver.

On silver i do have a bunch of what they call junk silver old dimes, quarters, and half dollars from pre 64 when all change was silver. That will be much easier to make transactions with and not get taken.
Currently dimes are .90 each quarters $2.25 and half's $4.50.

My main stocking is food and water if shit really hits the fan these items will serve you much better than gold and silver.

You can't eat gold/silver but it's a better way of savings imo, and the upside could be crazy, which I think will be the case.
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6/23/2019 10:39am
RONJ OSE wrote:
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is...
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is a good guy
I think I may pull the trigger on 3 1/2 pounds of silver and about 3 ounces of gold, I understand the cost n thing but I think i would rather have bars, just because there cooler
The reason gold and silver Eagles are so trusted is because it's relatively easy to confirm there ligit, not the case with bars like was said...
The reason gold and silver Eagles are so trusted is because it's relatively easy to confirm there ligit, not the case with bars like was said above. It'll be harder to sell versus an eagle coin.
I am going to test the bars
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6/23/2019 11:02am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 11:05am
Just beware that if you test the bars and they are filled with tungsten the dealer may not take it back as with the gentleman in the first link neither the mint or the RBC would take his bar back so he was out what he paid for it.
"Joy Creations owner Samuel Tang contacted CBC News when neither RBC nor the
mint would take back the one-ounce gold piece he'd purchased"
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6/23/2019 11:04am
RONJ OSE wrote:
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is...
I have a local guy who is going to sell bars of other for 5c over spot, I’ve know him for a while and he is a good guy
I think I may pull the trigger on 3 1/2 pounds of silver and about 3 ounces of gold, I understand the cost n thing but I think i would rather have bars, just because there cooler
The reason gold and silver Eagles are so trusted is because it's relatively easy to confirm there ligit, not the case with bars like was said...
The reason gold and silver Eagles are so trusted is because it's relatively easy to confirm there ligit, not the case with bars like was said above. It'll be harder to sell versus an eagle coin.
RONJ OSE wrote:
I am going to test the bars
I hear ya and I'm sure they'll be good, but call up a coin shop and tell them your selling a gold bar and a gold eagle. See what reaction you get
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Your average Joe buys silver and gold as a hedge against inflation. There have been times where there has been a pretty big spike, and people holding large quantities can cash in. However, these spikes are few and far between. Pull up a 10 year silver chart and you'll see what I mean; now look at a 30 year chart..... I had a coworker that sold his family heirloom sterling silverware and serving platters back in 2011 Woohoo

With that being said, I try to take a couple hundred bucks every month and buy some sort of commodity. Sometimes it's a case of pistol ammo, or a really good deal on whatever collectible I'm into at the time, but my favorite is a 10oz quantity of silver bars or rounds. You could also throw the money at a silver index fund to diversify, but to me the value is to have the physical asset in my hand, not some statement saying I own something somewhere. You could always run down to the coin shop and sell your physical coins/bars if you had to. I have a few hundred ounces of silver in my safe. If silver spikes to $50/oz again, then I will sell it all. If not, then my kids can divide it up when I die. Hopefully they will make out if I don't. We may or may never see that type of spike again in our lifetime.

My word of caution on buying bars, rounds and coins: buy from a reputable source. The Chinese are well known to make counterfeit bars and rounds in all shapes and sizes. They are counterfeiting American Eagles, Kruggerands, Maple Leafs, and even counterfeit pre-1964 US coins, to the point that they have a well circulated appearance. AMPEX, MCM, JMBullion, ect have eBay stores that are trusted. Eagles purchased from the mint are the safest, but you pay the largest premium as well.
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6/23/2019 11:34am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 11:44am
You do know that bullion can be confiscated by the government as was done before right? If you must buy gold, do as the congress does, buy pre-1933 minted gold coins (relatively unconfiscatable). The constitution demands that you be paid just and fair compensation for property whenever confiscation under eminent domain laws is exercised. Since each individual coin has an intrinsic value, other than that of its gold content by weight, which is based on date, condition and rarity it would be virtually impossible for the govt. to assess the individual value of the millions of individual antique coins in private collections.so there is no worries of confiscation happening or at least a much lesser chance than those who purchase bullion.
In recent years a great hoard of US citizens have been buying gold as a hedge against collapse of the financial system. If the government is forced to make good on the bad fake gold, who do you think will be called upon to make up the shortfall? Confiscation of gold would be a forgone conclusion. The records of purchase would be readily available to BigGov snoops. The laws enforcing the confiscation would be quickly enacted by congress and you'd be given a receipt by Uncle Sam.
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6/23/2019 11:50am
All the gold I've bought is with cash, which is the norm at the coin shop. No paper trail.
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6/23/2019 12:29pm
They gave a price if 16 ounce for silver and 1400 for gold, that’s the best local deal I can find
I may pull the trigger soon

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