Jimmie Johnson in an Indycar or F1?

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How would he do?
Below is from autoracing1.com

Jimmie Johnson looking at new open-wheel challenge?

Jimmie Johnson was recently quoted talking about getting into an IndyCar or F1 car. Jimmie even states that his background and aspirations were to be in IndyCar racing, just like his teammate Jeff Gordon. The unfortunate part is that the world of open wheel racing in the USA has it's compass and values all wrong. Even though it looks like it's growing and doing better these days, it's not. 17 cars in this year IRL field are buy-a-rides. That is not what a professional sport is about.

“The way I grew up, IndyCar racing was really the only outside exposure I had. I dreamt of racing in the Indy 500 and would go to the Long Beach Grand Prix and hope that I could be on that circuit racing at some point. So I’d love to try an IndyCar or an F1 car. My path has taken me a different way and I think it would be very difficult to get an F1 test. But maybe by putting it out there it could happen.

“To experience driving an IndyCar or F1 car on a road course would be really good for me. Running the Grand-Am car has helped me be a better road course driver, and it would be another step in an F1 or IndyCar to see things at a faster speed in the braking zones and the capabilities of the car, how it turns in.”
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I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful in F1? JPM didn't exactly set the NASCAR world on fire when he came from F1 so is it just a different skill set for driving big boxes in a circle?
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DDub8 wrote:
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful...
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful in F1? JPM didn't exactly set the NASCAR world on fire when he came from F1 so is it just a different skill set for driving big boxes in a circle?
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
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Those SnoozeCAR bubbas wont know what to do when they cant smack into each other to win races. In open wheel you actually have to win with talent, skill, and a good car instead of smashing sheetmetal, bumping into peoples ass, and all those other inbred hick driving styles.
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Blake wrote:
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
Wanna bet?

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Blake wrote:
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
Racer92 wrote:
Wanna bet?
He didn't say anything about turning left fast...
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motogeezer wrote:
He didn't say anything about turning left fast...
Aahhh, gotcha.

Im no fan of that NASCAB stuff, but the top guys in that stuff have serious skill. You are flirting with kissing the wall the entire time and walking the thin line of traction vs no traction . Especially in those huge rolling billboards.
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Johnson is probably one of the most finesse drivers in NASCAR.
He doesn't bully his way around or through the pack.
He has a distinct ability to both push hard but drive careful and exacting, not a talent many have.

The biggest difference between one top driver and team is their ability to set up the car, the driver being able to have the "feel" and being able to communicate that feel effectively to the team.
Johnson does that very well, and Chad Knaus understands everything he says, and doesn't say (through the tone of his voice).

Do I think JJ could do well in Indy or F1?

Yes.

BTW, it's a lot bigger difference going from a lightweight nimble super rev'ing HP monster, to a bathtub on wheels than it is to go from the slug to the nimble hand-made works machine
6/29/2010 9:00am Edited Date/Time 6/29/2010 9:01am
IMO Jimmie could drive either, Tony Stewart, raced Indy cars, a few times he raced Indy and a Nascar event on the same day, 1000 miles of racing in one day? wow awesome,and incredible racing feat.
but im no nascar fan either, never been to an event.
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I think Karun Chandhok would lap him. My honest opinion. How much go kart experience has he got when you think of the current drivers. My honest opinion, a test driver I feel would put him in his place. F1 Cars are NOT just get in and drive. If you don't drive fast enough they don't work. If you don't use the brakes enough, they don't work. These cars are like threading a needle on the back of a motorcycle on the highway.

They are not like open wheel cars where you have long straightaways to hold the car in place. They are super touchy. It is not as easy as they make it look.

Just my thoughts from following F1.
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JJ ran in GrandAm for the Riley team. I know that they thought highly of him.

But it is a BIG stretch to go from that to an Indycar, let alone an F1 car.

With a team like Ganassi or Penske in Indycar, he might have a chance at being consistently in the top 10, maybe even sneak into the top 5.

F1 is another story.

Alex Zanardi was one of the most talented Indycar drivers I have known, but he couldn't compete in F1 when he tried to go back.



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6/29/2010 9:36am Edited Date/Time 6/29/2010 12:42pm
Im no Indy or F1 expert, but I can tell you that my sprint car wouldnt work right unless you were willing to throw the car in hard and let the wings, shocks & torsion bars work. I'll bet those F1s are scary as hell .
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My thoughts are, seat time in a GrandAm car is helpful as far as the dynamics of the car, but when you think about what it takes to get these kids to F1 by learning the ropes in F3 and F2, then if they are good, they can adapt to the demands of F1, the whole process is amazing. Years ago I just thought F1 was the pinnacle and the easiest. I have since learned (with some help of a friend who email's me technical data) these things are so twitchy.

I have a hard time believing any American driver who has been driving late models around some dirt at 80mph would even understand the braking and transmission of F1 cars. Again, I haven't driven an F1 car - so if anyone wants to provide me one to generate an opinion I am open to that.
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Blake wrote:
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
Racer92 wrote:
Wanna bet?

Except for Sprint Cars where you need talent and skill anyone can go left in a good car.

As long as you trust the car will stick, there isnt a whole lot of talent needed.
You ever see these guys on a road coarse?

Its like watching bumper cars at the fair, comedy.
They either slow down too soon, too late, and rear end the guy in front of them, or they overshoot the corner and run off the track.

I'd guesstimate it takes more skill to drive the 405 during rush hour, especially for women, while talking on the phone, doing their hair, makeup, reaching in the backseat and smacking the kids, picking up a spilled coke, lighting a cigarrette and never knowing what the other drivers are going to do, EVER, all while going 5 wide at 80 MPH bumper to bumper in a hurry to go nowhere.

Nascar, compared to that is a cakewalk.






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Blake wrote: As long as you trust the car will stick, there isnt a whole lot of talent needed.



Mmmm-kay. Youre the expert.
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Dont forget, Jimmie actually got his start on 4 wheels in open wheel..albeit on the dirt racing "Superlites" which are just like my Pilot. Remember they raced them in the MTEG, he was in one of the trick Nature Recipe buggies and won a title or 2 before moving to the trucks.
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Best car for JJ to try in F1?

Schueys!

Longer "set-up" and feel. Solid brakes. Very well planted...

Oh Meeeeeeercedes!

Take note: The Demographics over here make it look like a good idea to put JJ in a car for a Test...at the VERY LEAST!
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Jimmie raced CORR trucks for a long time too. He's worked his way up from grass roots.

Racer, I have enough seat time to have an opinion.

As far as JJ goes, plenty have went from F1/Indy to Nascar and done well in sub par rides.

Not so sure anyone has ever went the other way with any success.
I'd love to see it and I think someone should do it. Just to see.

Personally I think no one does for fear of results and hurting their pride.

Kinda like a Family Cessna Pilot trying to fly in the Redbull air races.
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6/29/2010 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/29/2010 12:12pm
Tiki wrote:
I think Karun Chandhok would lap him. My honest opinion. How much go kart experience has he got when you think of the current drivers. My...
I think Karun Chandhok would lap him. My honest opinion. How much go kart experience has he got when you think of the current drivers. My honest opinion, a test driver I feel would put him in his place. F1 Cars are NOT just get in and drive. If you don't drive fast enough they don't work. If you don't use the brakes enough, they don't work. These cars are like threading a needle on the back of a motorcycle on the highway.

They are not like open wheel cars where you have long straightaways to hold the car in place. They are super touchy. It is not as easy as they make it look.

Just my thoughts from following F1.
I agree.

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DDub8 wrote:
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful...
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful in F1? JPM didn't exactly set the NASCAR world on fire when he came from F1 so is it just a different skill set for driving big boxes in a circle?
Blake wrote:
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
+1
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Blake wrote: Racer, I have enough seat time to have an opinion.



Cool! What kinda rides have you raced?

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Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was NOT about getttin' some seat-time (Often in an older car/previous revision...initially).

Johnson has shown some serious skills in DP.

He's got skills...

Given a lil' bit of time and input...I think he'd do jus' fine.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was [b]NOT about getttin' some seat-time [/b](Often in...
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was NOT about getttin' some seat-time (Often in an older car/previous revision...initially).

Johnson has shown some serious skills in DP.

He's got skills...

Given a lil' bit of time and input...I think he'd do jus' fine.
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills to adapt, but not be competitive in any way in comparison to the young Turks coming into the sport. A test driver has a better chance.

Id still like a spin in a post 2000 car to make a solid assessment Smile
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F1 is a pipe dream for Johnson, will never happen and too old to get started.

A one-off at Indy could be possible though. Supposedly Johnson and Kahne have expressed interest for next year. If he got in with a good team like Ganassi or Penske, and dedicated himself to the whole month I'm sure he'd make the show. Who knows, maybe he could poke into the top 10 if he was comfortable.

It would probably be pretty easy for Hendrick to throw to gather a small IRL program if they wanted to try it.
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Isnt indy car the powder puff league?
Why would JJ want to race there?
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Larry wrote:
Isnt indy car the powder puff league?
Why would JJ want to race there?
They are trying to do some big money thing if you win the Indy 500 and the 600 mile memorial day race in charlotte on the same day.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be hearing anything from the taxi drivers down south!
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TeamGreen wrote:
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was [b]NOT about getttin' some seat-time [/b](Often in...
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was NOT about getttin' some seat-time (Often in an older car/previous revision...initially).

Johnson has shown some serious skills in DP.

He's got skills...

Given a lil' bit of time and input...I think he'd do jus' fine.
Tiki wrote:
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills...
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills to adapt, but not be competitive in any way in comparison to the young Turks coming into the sport. A test driver has a better chance.

Id still like a spin in a post 2000 car to make a solid assessment Smile
Tiki,

Why do you hate America?
(Asked for Nacho's benefit)
6/29/2010 5:04pm
DDub8 wrote:
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful...
I've never been a huge NASCAR fan or thought the drivers were the best in the world but what are his chances, realistically, to be successful in F1? JPM didn't exactly set the NASCAR world on fire when he came from F1 so is it just a different skill set for driving big boxes in a circle?
Blake wrote:
Anyone can turn left in a good car.
What about Danica?
She must suck because she has great equipment.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was [b]NOT about getttin' some seat-time [/b](Often in...
Based on the opinions in here...you'd think that the whole idea of gettin' in one of these cars was NOT about getttin' some seat-time (Often in an older car/previous revision...initially).

Johnson has shown some serious skills in DP.

He's got skills...

Given a lil' bit of time and input...I think he'd do jus' fine.
Tiki wrote:
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills...
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills to adapt, but not be competitive in any way in comparison to the young Turks coming into the sport. A test driver has a better chance.

Id still like a spin in a post 2000 car to make a solid assessment Smile
TeamGreen wrote:
Tiki,

Why do you hate America?
(Asked for Nacho's benefit)
Scott Speed wronged me. Wronged me bad...Just not enough BAR candidates driving BMW Ultimate driving machines (For Nacho's benefit)
6/29/2010 8:15pm
Tiki wrote:
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills...
My opinion is based on historical evidence that American Racing lacks the technical steps to meet modern Formula 1. I am sure he has the skills to adapt, but not be competitive in any way in comparison to the young Turks coming into the sport. A test driver has a better chance.

Id still like a spin in a post 2000 car to make a solid assessment Smile
If you don't think NASCAR is technical than you're fuggin' mad.

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