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I hope no one takes this personal, because it's not meant to be, and If I am wrong, then please feel free to correct me.
There are 310,093,768 + people here in the US, as of earlier tonight.
Out of those 310 + million, 15 million (high estimate) are illegal.
Out of those 15 million, 20% of those are non hispanic.
That brings the total count of illegal hispanics to 12 million (high estimate).
That accounts for less than 4% of our population. Do you really think that 4% (some working and paying taxes just as you and I) are responsible for all of our economical issues we all face today?
Honest question guy's.
There are 310,093,768 + people here in the US, as of earlier tonight.
Out of those 310 + million, 15 million (high estimate) are illegal.
Out of those 15 million, 20% of those are non hispanic.
That brings the total count of illegal hispanics to 12 million (high estimate).
That accounts for less than 4% of our population. Do you really think that 4% (some working and paying taxes just as you and I) are responsible for all of our economical issues we all face today?
Honest question guy's.
I fully understand that CA is getting hammered with this problem though.
BTW: My wife is a teacher also.
The numbers don't lie.
The Shop
As far as cheap labor?
As far as wages in the construction industry? These guys aren't working for cheap like they did years ago. If you want to blame someone for wages on main street, point your blame towards wall street. They fucked each and every one of us for trillions, and are still doing it while I type this post.
My wife is a 5th grade teacher, and she has 3 kids that speak english, but not very well. The parents of these kids speak no english.
Imagination is a real problem, it's just not as big of a problem as some ( those not from CA, TX or AZ) on here make it out to be.
If they don't speak english by 5th grade and the parents don't speak any than you have a problem and your not acknowledging it.
If your wife's classroom has 30 kids and 3 speak english that's 90% other than english speakers. Seems to support what I said.
The only thing that is safe to say is that I can't comment on the hispanic population at the schools that are near you.
I am not doubting what you said, and I fully understand that you live in a much different state that I do. My point is, it's not a national epidemic, thats taking this country to its knees.
CAs problems are much worse than other states, but as far as looking at this from an economic standpoint. The TX economy is one of the best in the country.
BTW: I grew up in Southern CA and even though it's much different now, it has always had large numbers of hispanics. I went to high school in Bell Gardens, and my last two years there, I lived in Downey.
"Damn man, the census numbers don't even come close to supporting that claim, so either the school your wife works at is in the middle of little mexico, or her numbers, wherever they came from, might be off just a tad?"
Since you know how to google you know that her school isn't in the middle of Mexico.
Everything else you wrote say's that she is lying.
That argument, however, has one major flaw. According to Justice Department statistics and the analysis of immigration experts, the "law-abiding" claim often isn't true.
As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:
"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."
Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."
Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:
"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."
The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:
"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].
"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]."
Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.
As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."
Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens."
"Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."
Maybe it's time for a visit to SoCal.
I spent 2 years at Ft Sill and I'm sure it's much different there also.
I don't have a bone to pic with you. It's the other 3 that respond only to irritate.
No one is saying that CA doesn't have a problem. This is on a national level.
BTW: With the economy in a rut, the numbers of illegals entering are going down from what it was a few years ago. A lot of them are also leaving and heading back home, because of the lack of work.
If I may add, I am in Southern CA quite often.
Pit Row
What bothers me about this issue, is that people are so focused on it, they are neglecting the real issues on why this country is in the shape it's in today. It's a diversion to the real problems.
Were getting fuck for trillions and everyone is worried about the hispanic guy mowing the fucking grass.
I welcome you to correct my numbers if they're wrong.
Like I said, if the numbers are off one way or the other, the percentage ratio isn't going to change much.
If all is well, and everyone paid back their bailout money, and our government made money off of the deal, then all should be well, correct?
Post a reply to: Honest question here.