Global Warming is real

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 10:23am
Global warming is real! If you can make money off of it or get a nice fat government grant to study it, it becomes very real. The only thing that has surprised me with global warming is how long it has taken for the average citizen to find out that there has been major dissent in the scientific community regarding the ...subject. And who is poised to make billions off of "Cap and Trade" "carbon credits", Goldman Sachs.See More
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Cygnus
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Screw GW. It is 3 degrees here right now.
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12/8/2009 12:42pm
I think most "average citizens" already knew it was a scam. It's just been easier to play along with the loons rather than rock the boat. The only difference now is that people are starting to realize just how much this crap is going to cost them and they are beginning to push back.
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It's supposed to be a high of 24 tomorrow...with the wind chill not getting out of the single digits....IT'S F-ING ARKANSAS not North Dakota.

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huck wrote:
It's supposed to be a high of 24 tomorrow...with the wind chill not getting out of the single digits....IT'S F-ING ARKANSAS not North Dakota.

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TeamGreen
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12/8/2009 1:21pm
Government induced panic for the sake of manipulating the ignorant.
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Hey, it's cold outside so everything must be fine, right?
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12/8/2009 1:50pm
huck wrote:
It's supposed to be a high of 24 tomorrow...with the wind chill not getting out of the single digits....IT'S F-ING ARKANSAS not North Dakota.

You do know that's considered global warming........ I personally think its blown way out of proportion, yes we may not have helped the climate but we sure ass hell arn't the main reason that it's all fucked up. I say it's those fucking cows and their methane farts.
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12/8/2009 1:59pm
Scam or not, it can't hurt to decrease our pollutant output now can it? Maybe the whole thing IS fabricated just to get people on board with cleaning up our act? How much that that hurt?
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12/8/2009 2:10pm
Snowed here in Southeast Texas the other day. Of course, two days later it's 70 with about 300 % humidity. Everything in the shop is wet. Damn near standing water on the cement floors. Cars are wet inside the building. How the hell do you paint a wet car? LOL Crazy.

There will always be climate change, always has been. Global warming??? Sounds like a moneymaker to me. Pollutants? I agree we need to do all we can to cut down but shipping all the mfg. to China where they cause the majority of the pollution anyway is not the answer. Maybe instead of taxing the fuck out of everyone, the government ought to offer some incentives to bring shit back over here for a change.

Hope and change , hope and change, just more of the same old shit.
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12/8/2009 2:10pm
TerryK wrote:
Scam or not, it can't hurt to decrease our pollutant output now can it? Maybe the whole thing IS fabricated just to get people on board...
Scam or not, it can't hurt to decrease our pollutant output now can it? Maybe the whole thing IS fabricated just to get people on board with cleaning up our act? How much that that hurt?
IF cleaning up our act is going to attach a huge ball and chain to our economy (cap and trade), then it can hurt a hole lot.

And it is completely stupid to restrict our economy for the soul purpose of making a few people a whole bunch of money.

Why hurt the vast majority for the financial/power gain of an elite few???

Anyway, I'm all for cleaning up our environment...but it shouldn't be mandated, and it shouldn't be taxed, and it shouldn't be done on a false pretense.
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12/8/2009 2:12pm
Polluting less is fine with just about everybody.

Defining carbon dioxide as a pollutant and danger to life is specious.

Tell the trees that carbon dioxide is going to be taken away from them. Tell animals they can no longer exhale.

Fining people or businesses for using energy goes to the absurd.

When energy is a global business which is vital to the modern way of life, attempts to tamper with it can have disastrous effects on economies and societies. In a way, the whole global warming fiasco is another attempt at social experimentation.

The artificial boost to gasoline prices in the US two summers ago had some of its planned and desired effects, but a much wider fallout that was perhaps unanticipated by its engineers also occurred which is still lasting.

The resulting decrease in gasoline use met their desire, but has also destabilized the global oil economy, much less the economy as a whole.
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Titan wrote:
IF cleaning up our act is going to attach a huge ball and chain to our economy (cap and trade), then it can hurt a hole...
IF cleaning up our act is going to attach a huge ball and chain to our economy (cap and trade), then it can hurt a hole lot.

And it is completely stupid to restrict our economy for the soul purpose of making a few people a whole bunch of money.

Why hurt the vast majority for the financial/power gain of an elite few???

Anyway, I'm all for cleaning up our environment...but it shouldn't be mandated, and it shouldn't be taxed, and it shouldn't be done on a false pretense.
Without some kind of mandated or forced compliance, nothing will change. Nothing.
12/8/2009 2:31pm
Titan wrote:
IF cleaning up our act is going to attach a huge ball and chain to our economy (cap and trade), then it can hurt a hole...
IF cleaning up our act is going to attach a huge ball and chain to our economy (cap and trade), then it can hurt a hole lot.

And it is completely stupid to restrict our economy for the soul purpose of making a few people a whole bunch of money.

Why hurt the vast majority for the financial/power gain of an elite few???

Anyway, I'm all for cleaning up our environment...but it shouldn't be mandated, and it shouldn't be taxed, and it shouldn't be done on a false pretense.
TerryK wrote:
Without some kind of mandated or forced compliance, nothing will change. Nothing.
Are you in favor of cap and trade?
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12/8/2009 3:14pm
I am doing my best to warm up Colorado. I have had a fire going for 3 days straight.
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I would have hated to see the cars that were around when the last ice age ended....
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Cygnus wrote:
I am doing my best to warm up Colorado. I have had a fire going for 3 days straight.
Tyer fire?
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12/8/2009 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 12/8/2009 4:29pm
Cygnus wrote:
I am doing my best to warm up Colorado. I have had a fire going for 3 days straight.
super rat wrote:
Tyer fire?
Na. Just nice smelling pine. Going skiing with my daughter on fri. Can't wait. First time in a couple years. She has the 5th grade pass so we are gonna go a bunch. I might even have to come up to Vail and have a ski and beer with ya.
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12/8/2009 6:34pm
huck wrote:
It's supposed to be a high of 24 tomorrow...with the wind chill not getting out of the single digits....IT'S F-ING ARKANSAS not North Dakota.

Nope I'm in ND right now working and I wish to God it was 24, try -18 with wind chill of -35. Oh boy!
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12/8/2009 6:39pm
huck wrote:
It's supposed to be a high of 24 tomorrow...with the wind chill not getting out of the single digits....IT'S F-ING ARKANSAS not North Dakota.

brlatm wrote:
Nope I'm in ND right now working and I wish to God it was 24, try -18 with wind chill of -35. Oh boy!
I was stationed in ND in the 70's, Fuck that noise....
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Big Lenny wrote:
I was stationed in ND in the 70's, Fuck that noise....
I assume Minot AFB Lenny? I am just outside of Williston and yea thats what I want to say too but this is where the paycheck is at today.
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Big Lenny wrote:
I was stationed in ND in the 70's, Fuck that noise....
brlatm wrote:
I assume Minot AFB Lenny? I am just outside of Williston and yea thats what I want to say too but this is where the paycheck...
I assume Minot AFB Lenny? I am just outside of Williston and yea thats what I want to say too but this is where the paycheck is at today.
Yep Minot, I fucked up and me and some friends took off one day right before a blizzard hit so we could get stuck downtown instead of the base, we ended up on a farm road in a ditch overnight it was -25 with a 60 mph wind...BL was scared shitless...
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Big Lenny wrote:
Yep Minot, I fucked up and me and some friends took off one day right before a blizzard hit so we could get stuck downtown instead...
Yep Minot, I fucked up and me and some friends took off one day right before a blizzard hit so we could get stuck downtown instead of the base, we ended up on a farm road in a ditch overnight it was -25 with a 60 mph wind...BL was scared shitless...
Damn I would be scared as well, I let my dog outside and this is a new environment for her the other guy working with me couldn't find her and called me in a panic. Long story short she finally came back 3 hours later and half frozen.
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12/8/2009 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:22pm
newmann wrote:
Snowed here in Southeast Texas the other day. Of course, two days later it's 70 with about 300 % humidity. Everything in the shop is wet...
Snowed here in Southeast Texas the other day. Of course, two days later it's 70 with about 300 % humidity. Everything in the shop is wet. Damn near standing water on the cement floors. Cars are wet inside the building. How the hell do you paint a wet car? LOL Crazy.

There will always be climate change, always has been. Global warming??? Sounds like a moneymaker to me. Pollutants? I agree we need to do all we can to cut down but shipping all the mfg. to China where they cause the majority of the pollution anyway is not the answer. Maybe instead of taxing the fuck out of everyone, the government ought to offer some incentives to bring shit back over here for a change.

Hope and change , hope and change, just more of the same old shit.
I agree with Newman on this topic.




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12/8/2009 8:19pm
Its not about the Climate. Its about power and control.

And you knew that.

Now I'll remove my tin foil hat.
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12/8/2009 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/8/2009 8:37pm
The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change negotiations.

The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.

The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.

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