F1 Blunder

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Why would a former champion not realize that passing on the inside at the Monaco hair-pin is virtually impossible? Alonzo is taking full responsibility, but WTF???

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5/27/2008 9:18am
I've only seen about 1/2 the race so far, but Heidfeld was racing Fred. Did he think he'd just pull over and wave him by? You're right about no one expecting that move though.
Alonso was clearly faster than Nick, why not wait for a spot that might actually work?
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5/27/2008 9:28am
You're thinking that Raikkonen did that on purpose as a takeout move?

You didn't see the car bounce from the dip in the road, causing him to start tankslapping coming out of the tunnel?

There is no way he purposely rearended Sutil as you are implying. He wasn't trying a pass when it happened. He was following out of the tunnel.
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5/27/2008 9:32am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:05pm
Raikkonen lost it on the brakes coming out of the tunnel. Tremendous car control to keep it off the wall but it sucks for Sutil. Raikkonen was trying to make it into the points & you just don't see that kind of thing from him much. Monaco is always a crap shoot especially in the rain. Prolly cost Sutil's team millions if they don't score any points the rest of the year. No subsidy's if you don't score points.
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5/27/2008 9:35am
No, I'll be watching the rest of it this evening.

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You get politics into an F1 discussion? I am not a Ferrari fan. So I guess you need to fix your spotters.

[i]You[/i} said Raikkonen did it. "Have you seen what Raikkonen did to Sutil yet." in a thread about what Alonzo did to Heidfeld (on purpose because he was trying an impossible pass, forcing the issue). To me this means you are implying the same degree of puposefulness, perhaps more, on Raikkonen's part in his crash with Sutil.

BMSOB views it the way I saw it. It wasn't Raikkonen's first problem under braking for the day.

"He mugged Sutil", again implies purposefully crashing Sutil out of the race. You conspiracy theorists can be spotted a mile away. Always blaming things on the big corporations.
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5/27/2008 10:11am
It was Cheney! I knew it!
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No worries, I just enjoy watching whether I know the outcome, or not.

KR apologizes? That's what I gotta see...
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5/27/2008 11:20am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:06pm
mug 3

Verb

[mugging, mugged] to attack someone in order to rob them


I don't think Raikkonen mugged Sutil. Crashed into him, yes, and I agree that it unfortunately caused Air India to miss what could be its biggest finish ever.


But you wouldn't call it a mugging if Sutil had crashed under braking in front of Raikkonen and collected Raikkonen up in the crash as well. Sometimes there's a risk of cars crashing during a race. We are more used to seeing a backmarker screw things up than a world champion, but it still happens.
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5/27/2008 11:25am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:06pm
The track was drying everywhere but inside the tunnel. If you watched the in car cameras they were lifting almost immediately as they came out of there to make the turn at the bottom. Kimi messed up but it was still wet up there & they were on dry tires. Dicey at best.
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Ah, so you are saying that Raikkonen did it on purpose in order to rob Sutil. Got it.
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That was one of the better races I have seen in a while. More Drama than Vital non moto.
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You said "It was a mugging in every sense of the term."

The definition of "mugging" includes the words, "in order to rob".

Therefore, yes, your post says that you are accusing Kimi of crashing Sutil out in order to rob him of a points paying finish. Meaning he crashed into him on purpose.
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Coultard did the same thing in the Qs and it was dry. The car gets light on the inside line. Kimi just saved it longer than DC, kept it off the wall, and plowed Sutil.

While unfortuneate, it just looked like one of those dang deals to me...

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