Engineer question re; cruise ship

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 5:31pm
We all feel for those lost in the tragedy of the moronic cruise ship disaster..... now what?

Patch the hole and start pumping?
Is the hull compromised on the starboard side as well?
No way can you demo it on-site safely.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with.
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motoracer633 1/16/2012 2:52pm
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i would assume that would isolate the holes and pump her on back up. i suppose they could weld them shut. i guess the real isuue is the fuel. otherwise the could nudge it off into the abyss.
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wildbill 1/16/2012 10:11pm
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the captain had a mullet.
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WhKnuckle 1/17/2012 4:27am
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motoracer633 wrote:
i would assume that would isolate the holes and pump her on back up. i suppose they could weld them shut. i guess the real isuue...
i would assume that would isolate the holes and pump her on back up. i suppose they could weld them shut. i guess the real isuue is the fuel. otherwise the could nudge it off into the abyss.
I would assume they'd pump the fuel out of the ship before they tried to do anything with it, just in case it broke up during the salvage operation.
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huck 1/17/2012 5:05am
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Haul that son of a bitch out to where the highest point is 50 feet underwater and make a reef/dive site out of it!

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flarider 1/17/2012 5:12am
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For the most part, the internals of those modern ships (that was built in 2006?) is that they're modular.
All the cabins and such are modular plug-in units.
The ship was insured to the hilt, so plug it, right it and tow in it, open her up and gut it.
Then drop in all new modular cabins and they'll have it back out within a year
Probably re-christenend with a new name
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yzvet426 1/17/2012 5:47am
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I'd have to agree with Flarider. They will pump out the fuel. patch her up. re-float her and put her in drydock where she will emerge with a new name. The captain however will not be so lucky
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flarider 1/17/2012 6:14am
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Cruise ship passenger cabin construction

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IMPO, the only thing that will possibly get used on another ship is the modular cabin structures, along with other various modular components. The integrity of the ships hull has been compromised, along with fact that, in no way shape of form would the cruise liner take the risk of the ship being branded as the "Costa Concordia" that hit a rock and sunk. I believe the hull will be scrapped, or sold out right to someone that will repair, and use the hull for other purposes.

BTW Dave: How does anyone other than the owner, or note holder of the vessel know how well it's insured? I hope it's very well insured, because they are going to need every penny of it. But in this day and age, the vessel may be insured at a minimum.
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flarider 1/17/2012 6:40am
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Yeah, I read it was insured by three companies, something like $500 million

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/16/costaconcordia-insurance-idUS…


and here, Carnival and Costa talk about having her redone and back in service within a year...

Carnival said the Costa Concordia is expected to be out of service for at least the remainder of its financial year.
"For the fiscal year ending November 30, the impact to 2012 earnings for loss of use is expected to be approximately $85-$95 million or $0.11-$0.12 per share."
That impact is from loss of use of the ship alone and does not take into account the likely impact on bookings. Carnival said it anticipated further costs to the business that it was too early to determine.
Costa Concordia is insured for $513 million by insurers including XL, RSA and Generali, with specialist marine insurers providing extra cover for potential injury claims, industry sources said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46013910/ns/travel-news/t/carnival-cruise-s…
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jmar 1/17/2012 6:57am
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I wouldn't call that insured to the hilt. I am not so sure it's going to be enough.
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flarider 1/17/2012 7:16am
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jmar wrote:
I wouldn't call that insured to the hilt. I am not so sure it's going to be enough.
That's the low estimate, some say as much as $1B

Nevertheless, it's the same ship as the Carnival Splendor (presently sailing out of Long Beach) which had a total construction cost of just under $700MM

So considering say 90% of the outer shell is in tact, as well as 99% of the structural interior construction is intact, $500MM should give her a nice refurbishment.
TripleFive 1/17/2012 7:31am
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Leave it there. We've got a country size "trash-island" floating in the pacific, one sunken ship isn't going to bother too much...
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tobz 1/17/2012 6:33pm
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I can't see them just "welding her up"

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tobz wrote:
I can't see them just "welding her up" [img]http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/01/17/1226246/107824-costa-concordia-cruise-ship-disaster.jpg[/img]
I can't see them just "welding her up"

Cut it out and weld new plates
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tobz wrote:
I can't see them just "welding her up" [img]http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/01/17/1226246/107824-costa-concordia-cruise-ship-disaster.jpg[/img]
I can't see them just "welding her up"

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jtomasik 1/17/2012 7:39pm
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I'd imagine they'd seal off the bulkheads from the area where the leaks are, seal the areas where they'd expect the subsequent damage from moving it off the rocks, pump it out, move it to safe waters, then get her back to dry dock.

Maybe get in a few wakeboard runs on the way back to dry dock...but that's just my style.

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tobz 1/17/2012 7:54pm
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Serious? It's near on like saying...



Ah, we can fix that, just weld her back up.
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tobz wrote:
I can't see them just "welding her up" [img]http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/01/17/1226246/107824-costa-concordia-cruise-ship-disaster.jpg[/img]
I can't see them just "welding her up"

Damage like that can be fixed. This reminds me of a few years ago when a Destroyer in the Med, had a hole blasted in its side. They lifted the boat out of the water, brought it back to the U.S., and it was fixed relatively quickly.

Not sure of all the details but this can definitely be fixed.
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flarider 1/18/2012 5:36am
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USS Cole

They fixed this huge hole and the ship is back on duty

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jmar 1/18/2012 6:15am
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Looks like the boat has taken this route before, and it was approved by the cruise line and the Coast Guard. I hope the cruise liner has a good, GL and umbrella policy.


They are also having concerns about the structural condition of the boat. I could see this possibly being a problem since the boat is almost fully on it's side.

Rescuers fear cruise ship will break in two

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/18/10179794-rescuers-fea…
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Racer92 1/18/2012 6:17am
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That hull damage isnt that big a deal, its just salt water ruins everything it touches and I wonder how much interior is ruined if not all of it. Just the salty, humid air going into that thing will mold up everything regardless if its submersed.

Its really a matter of how much will it cost and feasibility to make it a cruise ship again.
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tobz wrote:
Serious? It's near on like saying... [img]http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2011/08/pomona-car-crash-lorraine-martinez.jpg[/img] Ah, we can fix that, just weld her back up.
Serious? It's near on like saying...



Ah, we can fix that, just weld her back up.
Actually, more like this. Aside from water damage and a good thrashing it's just a flesh wound.


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jmar 1/18/2012 6:23am
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Racer92 wrote:
That hull damage isnt that big a deal, its just salt water ruins everything it touches and I wonder how much interior is ruined if not...
That hull damage isnt that big a deal, its just salt water ruins everything it touches and I wonder how much interior is ruined if not all of it. Just the salty, humid air going into that thing will mold up everything regardless if its submersed.

Its really a matter of how much will it cost and feasibility to make it a cruise ship again.
I am not a boat engineer, but the fact that the boat is leaning on it's side means that the vessel is stressing in a direction that it's not designed to.

I have no idea, but the article article says they are concerned.
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flarider 1/18/2012 6:41am
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The more it keeps slipping and moving, the more right you become, Jim.
If it goes off that 100' ledge there, it might then be toast
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Racer92 1/18/2012 6:46am
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jmar wrote:
I am not a boat engineer, but the fact that the boat is leaning on it's side means that the vessel is stressing in a direction...
I am not a boat engineer, but the fact that the boat is leaning on it's side means that the vessel is stressing in a direction that it's not designed to.

I have no idea, but the article article says they are concerned.
Yeah, I think youre right on that point.

I like Hucks idea best, pull the environmentally damaging crap out of it, drag the damn thing to a decent shallow water spot and let nature turn it into a multi-million dollar diver reef.
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huck 1/18/2012 8:32am
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jmar wrote:
I am not a boat engineer, but the fact that the boat is leaning on it's side means that the vessel is stressing in a direction...
I am not a boat engineer, but the fact that the boat is leaning on it's side means that the vessel is stressing in a direction that it's not designed to.

I have no idea, but the article article says they are concerned.
Racer92 wrote:
Yeah, I think youre right on that point. I like Hucks idea best, pull the environmentally damaging crap out of it, drag the damn thing to...
Yeah, I think youre right on that point.

I like Hucks idea best, pull the environmentally damaging crap out of it, drag the damn thing to a decent shallow water spot and let nature turn it into a multi-million dollar diver reef.
I think international water way is 53 feet minimum (from highest point of structure in normal tide)... that would put most of that ship under rec diving limits...but would be pretty cool anyway!

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