Posts
5094
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Indianapolis, IN
US
Edited Date/Time
1/24/2012 10:25pm
Button tops first practice.
Second practice on Speed at 2 PM Eastern
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.127 23
2. Schumacher Mercedes 1:18.285 + 0.158 19
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.352 + 0.225 19
4. Rosberg Mercedes 1:18.356 + 0.229 23
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:18.549 + 0.422 27
6. Kubica Renault 1:18.662 + 0.535 19
7. Alonso Ferrari 1:18.726 + 0.599 21
8. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:19.097 + 0.970 25
9. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:19.282 + 1.155 31
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:19.313 + 1.186 19
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:19.373 + 1.246 12
12. Massa Ferrari 1:19.511 + 1.384 21
13. Petrov Renault 1:19.549 + 1.422 24
14. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:19.609 + 1.482 26
15. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:20.186 + 2.059 33
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.320 + 2.193 27
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:20.584 + 2.457 21
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.823 + 2.696 28
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:21.869 + 3.742 24
20. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:21.977 + 3.850 27
21. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:22.543 + 4.416 12
22. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:22.701 + 4.574 28
23. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:22.713 + 4.586 20
24. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 4
Second practice on Speed at 2 PM Eastern
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.127 23
2. Schumacher Mercedes 1:18.285 + 0.158 19
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:18.352 + 0.225 19
4. Rosberg Mercedes 1:18.356 + 0.229 23
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:18.549 + 0.422 27
6. Kubica Renault 1:18.662 + 0.535 19
7. Alonso Ferrari 1:18.726 + 0.599 21
8. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:19.097 + 0.970 25
9. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:19.282 + 1.155 31
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:19.313 + 1.186 19
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:19.373 + 1.246 12
12. Massa Ferrari 1:19.511 + 1.384 21
13. Petrov Renault 1:19.549 + 1.422 24
14. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:19.609 + 1.482 26
15. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:20.186 + 2.059 33
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.320 + 2.193 27
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:20.584 + 2.457 21
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.823 + 2.696 28
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:21.869 + 3.742 24
20. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:21.977 + 3.850 27
21. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:22.543 + 4.416 12
22. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:22.701 + 4.574 28
23. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:22.713 + 4.586 20
24. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 4
It is a good observation considering RB has dominated thus far with lap times.
Doh..I meant to say Mercedes and Mclaren.
I'm not sure that anyone besides McLaren have got a handle on it.
The Shop
The race should be interesting as it looks like the soft tires are TOO soft and start graining early on. Look for everyone to start on hard compound and try to go long into the race to allow the min amt of time on the softs.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:16.877 32
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:16.963 + 0.086 35
3. Rosberg Mercedes 1:17.151 + 0.274 34
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:17.273 + 0.396 33
5. Massa Ferrari 1:17.401 + 0.524 33
6. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:17.415 + 0.538 28
7. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.522 + 0.645 29
8. Kubica Renault 1:17.529 + 0.652 36
9. Schumacher Mercedes 1:17.688 + 0.811 34
10. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:17.903 + 1.026 35
11. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.961 + 1.084 33
12. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:18.385 + 1.508 27
13. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:18.447 + 1.570 41
14. Petrov Renault 1:18.582 + 1.705 40
15. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:18.658 + 1.781 34
16. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:19.142 + 2.265 38
17. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:19.168 + 2.291 32
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:19.274 + 2.397 41
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:19.969 + 3.092 35
20. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:20.879 + 4.002 29
21. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:21.097 + 4.220 31
22. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:21.346 + 4.469 11
23. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:21.488 + 4.611 25
24. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:21.577 + 4.700 30
2 Alonso
3 Rosberg
4 Webber
*EDIT*
Oops, already posted.
Lefts and rights!
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.058 15
2. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:16.340 + 0.282 16
3. Alonso Ferrari 1:16.495 + 0.437 19
4. Schumacher Mercedes 1:16.536 + 0.478 15
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:16.582 + 0.524 16
6. Kubica Renault 1:16.653 + 0.595 18
7. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:16.673 + 0.615 15
8. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.699 + 0.641 16
9. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:16.814 + 0.756 15
10. Petrov Renault 1:16.982 + 0.924 18
11. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:17.121 + 1.063 16
12. Massa Ferrari 1:17.231 + 1.173 16
13. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:17.331 + 1.273 22
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.548 + 1.490 20
15. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.609 + 1.551 16
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:17.633 + 1.575 21
17. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:17.789 + 1.731 18
18. Rosberg Mercedes 1:17.979 + 1.921 4
19. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:19.013 + 2.955 15
20. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:19.447 + 3.389 16
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:19.536 + 3.478 22
22. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:19.844 + 3.786 20
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:20.325 + 4.267 18
24. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1
Teams face Montreal tyre dilemma
Overnight rain and lower than expected temperatures in Montreal on Saturday morning have left teams facing a nightmare dilemma over tyre strategies for the Canadian Grand Prix - that could blow open the battle for pole position.
A number of drivers complained about bad graining on the super soft tyres in free practice on Friday, and Bridgestone chiefs think the tyre choices for qualifying will not be straightforward.
Overnight showers have washed away any rubber laid down on Friday, and the track temperature is no warmer than yesterday. Bridgestone's director of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima says current predictions are that a standard one-stop will be impossible.
Furthermore, he also thinks that with the frontrunning teams likely to opt to qualify on the medium tyre, there is a chance slower outfits may gamble on taking the supersoft option in Q3 - to get themselves at the front of the grid. That could result in a surprise car being on pole position.
"FP3 will be very, very important to compare between the option and the prime to see if the option is quick," said Hamashima. "If that is the case then maybe the grid will be interesting. Someone could take a risk with the option tyres for qualifying, and in that case we could have a little bit of a different story from the past races."
The graining experienced on Friday was caused by the tyres actually tearing, rather than excessive temperature, and Hamashima thinks the situation is on a knife-edge for teams.
"It is not normal graining because it seems the rubber is tearing, so not melting," said Hamashima. "The graining itself is a bit different, because the surface itself is very, very smooth - and smoother than two years ago. So the tyre isn't gripping, it isn't getting the proper temperature and there is no deformation - which is why the rubber tears off."
Hamashima thinks that the title-fighting teams may be forced to choose tyres that are better for the race than qualifying – with the top ten drivers having to start the race on the tyres they set their best qualifying lap on.
"I reckon it will be a minimum of two stops according to the current data," said Hamashima. "Maybe the top teams will use the supersoft in Q1 and then for Q2 and Q3, maybe they will use prime.
"With the current situation – the lap time difference between the prime and option tyre is very small. The super soft has better traction, however, it is poor with lateral support so the lap time itself is not so better. Also when the car is heavy, the option tyre is slower than the prime tyre – about 0.6 seconds."
Hamashima estimates that the current degradation prediction suggests that the medium will lose 7.0 seconds per half race distance, with the option a whopping 16.2 seconds per half race distance.
"Maybe the teams will start with the prime, then next stop prime, and then a very short stint with super soft. That looks like the best way."
When asked if anyone could risk trying a one-stop strategy, Hamashima said: "It's currently impossible. Even for very slow people, it's very, very difficult.
"In 2008 we saw the track improvement over the weekend was quite dramatic – and in that case they could use the super soft. But the current temperature is not so high, so it will be very, very difficult."
from autosport.com
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, June 13th 2010, 14:34 GMT
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh says the only way to find out if the decision to qualify Lewis Hamilton on the option tyre at the Canadian Grand Prix was right will be if he wins the race.
Hamilton ended Red Bull Racing's pole position streak in Montreal by using the super soft tyre which, while quicker for a single lap, will not last as long as the medium tyres used by main rival Red Bull Racing.
That tyre choice means both teams will be running very different strategies in the race - and Whitmarsh thinks it too early to say now which was the right route.
"Lewis was quick on both types of tyres," said Whitmarsh. "We had quite a lot of debate in the team about which way we should go, and I guess we will know after the race if we got it right.
"Inevitably everyone has to use the option tyre at some point and it will be I think difficult for someone who starts on the prime to run 20-30 laps and then switch to the option and go to the end.
"You definitely have to two stop if you start on the prime, and we will see. If there are safety cars then it may make it look a better or worse decision, but to get to the end you have to run with the option tyre. It will clearly be a short stint and, as everyone has to do that, we are choosing to do that at the beginning of the race."
The danger for Hamilton is that if he does not build up enough of a gap early in the race, then he will not be able to change to the medium tyres and resume on track ahead of the slower midfield cars that have started on that compound.
"When you are without refuelling, you are trying to drop into gaps," added Whitmarsh. "In truth I think even with the prime tyre there is fairly serious degradation. I don't think people will be running as long on the prime tyre as we have perhaps seen on a few occasions this year."
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, June 13th 2010, 14:40 GMT
Mark Webber has been given a five-place grid penalty at the Canadian Grand Prix after Red Bull Racing changed the gearbox on his car ahead of the race.
The Australian had qualified on the front row for the Montreal event, but his team discovered a problem with his gearbox in the build-up to the race.
The team elected to change it on Sunday morning, which means he will be moved back five places on the grid.
Webber will therefore now start seventh for the race - with team-mate Sebastian Vettel moving up to the front row alongside pole position man Lewis Hamilton.
Pit Row
Bias...no way.
It's kinda nice to actually see the drivers making a difference...eventhough -1- team went "1-2"...they both had to drive their way to the front.
Tire selection and set-up is making the McLaren boys look pretty damn smart.
I haven't seen the post-race decisions, yet...but, I can't help suspecting that Schuey get's a slap.
I really like Montreal for a race. 300,000 in attendance? Holy moly. What a great race that was.
Felt bad for Webber. He deserves it. What was going on with Vettel? Poor guy. Go slower...LOL
That was the most passing I've seen in an F1 race in a long time. The key is slow corners following long straights.
Hopefully, the new Austin track will have some of that!
Looks like red headed Julie from the Canadian Nats has moved on to bigger and better things.
I have a great Rocky story from back at Reynard in Indycar days. There were always last minute parts that had to be hand-carried from the factory in the UK when the engineers would come over for a race. Rocky always bitched and moaned about hand-carrying stuff.
So one race my counterpart on the other side of the pond grabbed Rocky and told him that there were some emergency bevel gears that had to be carried over, and Rocky started bitching about it. What Rocky didn't know was that the guy bubbled wrapped a couple of bricks and boxed them up.
The look on Rocky's face when he arrived over here with the box, and I unwrapped the bricks was priceless!
Anyway - are there engineers overseas watching the race with the capacity to chime in to the drivers? Is the data from the car going back to the factory live? That was the impression they were giving.
The engineers back at home base can't talk to the drivers, but they will be talking to a liaison person in the garage at the race in the event that they see something that no one trackside has caught.
Live data from Friday's sessions will go directly to the factory, and the guys there will help with the set-up for qualifying and the race.
A lot of the big teams will have a car on a 7-post vehicle dynamics rig throughout the race week-end where they can set the rig to mimic the circuit bumps, aero loadings, etc and work on qualifying and race set-ups.
Reynard North America built one of those rigs to try to sell the same technology to its Indycar customers but no one used it to this extreme on a race week-end because of cost.
Here is a video of BMW Sauber's rig in action. Track data is used to devise a circuit map with all the bumps, chassis roll and yaw through the turns, and downforce loadings fed into the rig computer, which then simulates a lap on an actual car.
Post a reply to: Canada F1 today