# 51 ?

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I think the USA needs to annex Mexico and make it our 51st state.

That country is, and has been, in the shitter for decades with no real way to catch up in the modern world. The people are oppressed with corrupt government and law officials. A large amount of Mexicans are already here or headed north anyway. The wave is coming, its been coming, may as well rethink this whole thing and come up with a different solution.

Discuss.

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10/19/2010 6:27am
25% of our population speak only Mexican anyway....
10/19/2010 6:29am
It's not that bad of an idea! But are we really in a position to take on more?
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10/19/2010 6:37am
You think the deficit is bad now, and you dislike welfare and health programs?

You might want to rethink your position
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10/19/2010 6:42am
flarider wrote:
You think the deficit is bad now, and you dislike welfare and health programs?

You might want to rethink your position
They have a lot of untapped natural resources.

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10/19/2010 6:54am
flarider wrote:
You think the deficit is bad now, and you dislike welfare and health programs?

You might want to rethink your position
Im completely open to discuss that, but only as the discussion takes into account what Texas, Arizona and California are already spending anyway and the forecast of whats to come. The census numbers are what they are, its coming.

Im not saying its a perfect idea, I know it will cost the USA money but Mexico is costing us anyway. Their drug problem is a total clusterfuck and their government turns and looks the other way. That drug thing spills over to here bigtime.

At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life. I just think we can make that work for all parties if it was done right.
10/19/2010 6:59am
flarider wrote:
You think the deficit is bad now, and you dislike welfare and health programs?

You might want to rethink your position
Racer92 wrote:
Im completely open to discuss that, but only as the discussion takes into account what Texas, Arizona and California are already spending anyway and the forecast...
Im completely open to discuss that, but only as the discussion takes into account what Texas, Arizona and California are already spending anyway and the forecast of whats to come. The census numbers are what they are, its coming.

Im not saying its a perfect idea, I know it will cost the USA money but Mexico is costing us anyway. Their drug problem is a total clusterfuck and their government turns and looks the other way. That drug thing spills over to here bigtime.

At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life. I just think we can make that work for all parties if it was done right.
Your sentiment is in the right place but the reality is our country can't run itself. How could we possibly add to it?

If you know someone that is in debt up to their ears and can barely keep the lights on you don't tell them to go buy another house!
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Racer92 wrote:
Im completely open to discuss that, but only as the discussion takes into account what Texas, Arizona and California are already spending anyway and the forecast...
Im completely open to discuss that, but only as the discussion takes into account what Texas, Arizona and California are already spending anyway and the forecast of whats to come. The census numbers are what they are, its coming.

Im not saying its a perfect idea, I know it will cost the USA money but Mexico is costing us anyway. Their drug problem is a total clusterfuck and their government turns and looks the other way. That drug thing spills over to here bigtime.

At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life. I just think we can make that work for all parties if it was done right.
At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life.

Thats exactly why I can't understand why people blame them for coming here.

It's not their fault, it's the USA's for making it so easy.
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[i]At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life. [/i] Thats...
At the end of the day, the average Mexican family are God fearing, hard working, family oriented people. They just want a better life.

Thats exactly why I can't understand why people blame them for coming here.

It's not their fault, it's the USA's for making it so easy.
Well if we took on Mexico and helped get industry and business going THERE, they wouldnt have to relocate up here as much. They have lots of natural resources, great climate, beautiful country, lots of things to offer. Hell if Mexico was a state I would consider buying land and moving there. I can see lots of business opportunities for a guy not afraid to work.
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Your sentiment is in the right place but the reality is our country can't run itself. How could we possibly add to it? If you know...
Your sentiment is in the right place but the reality is our country can't run itself. How could we possibly add to it?

If you know someone that is in debt up to their ears and can barely keep the lights on you don't tell them to go buy another house!
You are right, but can we afford to keep doing it they way we are?

All this resent and animosity towards these people who only want to work. I am just trying to think out of the box, how to turn all these hard working, eager people into something that average fat, lazy Americans would embrace? Could we turn Mexico into an investment of sorts? Where all parties win with collaboration?

Why couldnt everyone sit at a table and discuss the possibilities?
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10/19/2010 7:16am
Take em over. Disarm the country and the cops. Seen with a gun? You die.

Dont like it? Take a bullet.
Hard times need hard measures. Either comply or die. Its pretty easy.

Racer, if Mexico was a state, it wouldnt be cheap anymore, and Pemex wouldnt be 1 dollar a gallon.

They would push it right to 2.99 and 9/10ths.

The truth? This idea would be like Donald Trump buying a trailer park in Arkansas.
10/19/2010 7:18am
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You are right, but can we afford to keep doing it they way we are? All this resent and animosity towards these people who only want...
You are right, but can we afford to keep doing it they way we are?

All this resent and animosity towards these people who only want to work. I am just trying to think out of the box, how to turn all these hard working, eager people into something that average fat, lazy Americans would embrace? Could we turn Mexico into an investment of sorts? Where all parties win with collaboration?

Why couldnt everyone sit at a table and discuss the possibilities?
The other side of this argument is Mexico could be the new FRONTIER! All the possibilities there could recharge the economy in some ways.

I still firmly believe that bringing the troops home and having them patrol our border would solve a couple of problems simultaneously.
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The other side of this argument is Mexico could be the new FRONTIER! All the possibilities there could recharge the economy in some ways. I still...
The other side of this argument is Mexico could be the new FRONTIER! All the possibilities there could recharge the economy in some ways.

I still firmly believe that bringing the troops home and having them patrol our border would solve a couple of problems simultaneously.
DF, now you are thinking with the glass half full !

But if Mexico was a state, we wouldnt need border patrol. (we still need to GTFO of the middle east though)

Blake is right about the fuel thing though. How much is gasoline over there anyway?
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Blake wrote:
Take em over. Disarm the country and the cops. Seen with a gun? You die. Dont like it? Take a bullet. Hard times need hard measures...
Take em over. Disarm the country and the cops. Seen with a gun? You die.

Dont like it? Take a bullet.
Hard times need hard measures. Either comply or die. Its pretty easy.

Racer, if Mexico was a state, it wouldnt be cheap anymore, and Pemex wouldnt be 1 dollar a gallon.

They would push it right to 2.99 and 9/10ths.

The truth? This idea would be like Donald Trump buying a trailer park in Arkansas.
I can hook him up, The Donald that is....
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10/19/2010 8:07am Edited Date/Time 10/19/2010 8:10am
Racer92 wrote:
I think the USA needs to annex Mexico and make it our 51st state. That country is, and has been, in the shitter for decades with...
I think the USA needs to annex Mexico and make it our 51st state.

That country is, and has been, in the shitter for decades with no real way to catch up in the modern world. The people are oppressed with corrupt government and law officials. A large amount of Mexicans are already here or headed north anyway. The wave is coming, its been coming, may as well rethink this whole thing and come up with a different solution.

Discuss.

I came to this conclusion a few years back. I think it will happen within the next 10 to 20 years.

Not that I think it's a desirable solution... Just the one that seems inevitable.

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10/19/2010 8:21am
I think you are nuts. If the populace of Mexico want to work so badly then let them fix their own country. We are having a hard enough time taking care of our own issues without having to tackle those of a whole other country that we "absorb" as a state.

I like DF's idea of bringing the troops home and patrolling the border. I also think a mass deportation is in order. I know this opens up a plethora of issues but in the end (provided our weak, bloated and useless government took the proper steps) it would be better for OUR country.

JMO right or wrong
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I think you are nuts. If the populace of Mexico want to work so badly then let them fix their own country. We are having a...
I think you are nuts. If the populace of Mexico want to work so badly then let them fix their own country. We are having a hard enough time taking care of our own issues without having to tackle those of a whole other country that we "absorb" as a state.

I like DF's idea of bringing the troops home and patrolling the border. I also think a mass deportation is in order. I know this opens up a plethora of issues but in the end (provided our weak, bloated and useless government took the proper steps) it would be better for OUR country.

JMO right or wrong
Well I dont agree with your overall point, but the realist in me says all that will never happen.

So, where does that leave things once you rule out all the stuff that we all know wont ever happen?
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If Nacho's name is Jan Brewer...then yes.

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Y'know it's funny when you say it's their drug problem spilling over into the US.

They seem to think it's your drug problem that's spilling over into their country.

The drugs go from Mexico into the US and the guns go from the US into Mexico.

You guys have the sweet end of that deal.
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"...but the realist in me says all that will never happen. So, where does that leave things once you rule out all the stuff that we all know wont ever happen?"

There you go.
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Y'know it's funny when you say it's their drug problem spilling over into the US. They seem to think it's your drug problem that's spilling over...
Y'know it's funny when you say it's their drug problem spilling over into the US.

They seem to think it's your drug problem that's spilling over into their country.

The drugs go from Mexico into the US and the guns go from the US into Mexico.

You guys have the sweet end of that deal.
I'd rather keep the guns and let them keep their shitty weed.
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Racer92 wrote:
Well I dont agree with your overall point, but the realist in me says all that[u] will never happen.[/u] So, where does that leave things once...
Well I dont agree with your overall point, but the realist in me says all that will never happen.

So, where does that leave things once you rule out all the stuff that we all know wont ever happen?
Here is the root problem as I see it:

(provided our weak, bloated and useless government took the proper steps)

They haven't enforced the policy they have and want to fight with AZ for trying to do so. I have big issues with the impotence of our gov. Even when they do make a decent choice they don't follow through. As a result I agree that it will never happen.

How sad is it that a good portion of US citizens have zero faith in our gov to do the right thing...or to actually do anything for that matter. I'm so hungry for a government of action I "almost" don't care if it's the right action.
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flarider wrote:
You think the deficit is bad now, and you dislike welfare and health programs?

You might want to rethink your position
jmar wrote:
They have a lot of untapped natural resources.
Isnt that what the british empire used to do? Take over third world countries for there natural resources and pay the local inhabitants slave wages to supply the mother country with goods?
10/19/2010 10:52am
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Isnt that what the british empire used to do? Take over third world countries for there natural resources and pay the local inhabitants slave wages to...
Isnt that what the british empire used to do? Take over third world countries for there natural resources and pay the local inhabitants slave wages to supply the mother country with goods?
Iraq? Kuwait? Saudi Arabia?Whistling
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This is cut and paste stuff, but Mexico has a lot of natural resources. Throw in a great labor force and it could be a very profitable country, if it were managed properly.

Minerals: The mining sector was dominated by hydrocarbons, with some of the world's largest deposits of petroleum (17th) and natural gas (18th). Mexico is also ranked in the top 5 producers of silver (13% of world production), bismuth (20% of the world's total), celestite (7% of world output) and fluorspar (18% of world output); sixth in molybdenum; among the top 10 in barite, bentonite, arsenic, diatomite, graphite, cadmium, gypsum, mine lead, manganese ore, salt, sulfur, and mine zinc; and in the top 15 in mine copper, cement, gold, and crude steel (second largest producer in Latin America).

Fishing: With 9,330 kilometers (5,798 miles) of coast along the Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, fishery is very extensive in Mexico with a total catch of 1.02 million tonnes for 2007, accounting for 1.4% of the world's production and ranking at the 17th position.

Agriculture: This economic activity is another important area. Main crops include corn (ranked 4th worldwide), sorghum (4th), and beans (5th). Mexico is also a major producer and exporter of fruits, vegetables and other agricultural products, being among the top 10 producers of avocado, cacao, coffee, lemon, mango, orange, tomato, sugarcane, honey and banana. Mexico also has the climatic conditions which allow the production and export of cattle, pigs, goats and sheep.

Forestry: 39% of the Mexican territory is composed of forests and woodland. This includes scrub, oak and pine forests, low jungles and tall deciduous forests, combined with mangroves, marshes, and savannas. These forests are commonly used for providing timber - however wood production costs are 35-40% higher due to topography - as well as ecological and wildlife reserves and untapped pharmaceutical stores due to Mexico being a megadiverse country (see related questions).

BTW: keep in mind of how much food could be grown in the mexican climate, considering food shortages are eventually going to be one of wall streets big plays.
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jmar wrote:
This is cut and paste stuff, but Mexico has a lot of natural resources. Throw in a great labor force and it could be a very...
This is cut and paste stuff, but Mexico has a lot of natural resources. Throw in a great labor force and it could be a very profitable country, if it were managed properly.

Minerals: The mining sector was dominated by hydrocarbons, with some of the world's largest deposits of petroleum (17th) and natural gas (18th). Mexico is also ranked in the top 5 producers of silver (13% of world production), bismuth (20% of the world's total), celestite (7% of world output) and fluorspar (18% of world output); sixth in molybdenum; among the top 10 in barite, bentonite, arsenic, diatomite, graphite, cadmium, gypsum, mine lead, manganese ore, salt, sulfur, and mine zinc; and in the top 15 in mine copper, cement, gold, and crude steel (second largest producer in Latin America).

Fishing: With 9,330 kilometers (5,798 miles) of coast along the Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, fishery is very extensive in Mexico with a total catch of 1.02 million tonnes for 2007, accounting for 1.4% of the world's production and ranking at the 17th position.

Agriculture: This economic activity is another important area. Main crops include corn (ranked 4th worldwide), sorghum (4th), and beans (5th). Mexico is also a major producer and exporter of fruits, vegetables and other agricultural products, being among the top 10 producers of avocado, cacao, coffee, lemon, mango, orange, tomato, sugarcane, honey and banana. Mexico also has the climatic conditions which allow the production and export of cattle, pigs, goats and sheep.

Forestry: 39% of the Mexican territory is composed of forests and woodland. This includes scrub, oak and pine forests, low jungles and tall deciduous forests, combined with mangroves, marshes, and savannas. These forests are commonly used for providing timber - however wood production costs are 35-40% higher due to topography - as well as ecological and wildlife reserves and untapped pharmaceutical stores due to Mexico being a megadiverse country (see related questions).

BTW: keep in mind of how much food could be grown in the mexican climate, considering food shortages are eventually going to be one of wall streets big plays.
Yeah, it would be great if Mexico took advantage of these resources. As of right now though. their best resources seem to be M&M - Meth and Marijuana.
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jmar wrote:
This is cut and paste stuff, but Mexico has a lot of natural resources. Throw in a great labor force and it could be a very...
This is cut and paste stuff, but Mexico has a lot of natural resources. Throw in a great labor force and it could be a very profitable country, if it were managed properly.

Minerals: The mining sector was dominated by hydrocarbons, with some of the world's largest deposits of petroleum (17th) and natural gas (18th). Mexico is also ranked in the top 5 producers of silver (13% of world production), bismuth (20% of the world's total), celestite (7% of world output) and fluorspar (18% of world output); sixth in molybdenum; among the top 10 in barite, bentonite, arsenic, diatomite, graphite, cadmium, gypsum, mine lead, manganese ore, salt, sulfur, and mine zinc; and in the top 15 in mine copper, cement, gold, and crude steel (second largest producer in Latin America).

Fishing: With 9,330 kilometers (5,798 miles) of coast along the Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, fishery is very extensive in Mexico with a total catch of 1.02 million tonnes for 2007, accounting for 1.4% of the world's production and ranking at the 17th position.

Agriculture: This economic activity is another important area. Main crops include corn (ranked 4th worldwide), sorghum (4th), and beans (5th). Mexico is also a major producer and exporter of fruits, vegetables and other agricultural products, being among the top 10 producers of avocado, cacao, coffee, lemon, mango, orange, tomato, sugarcane, honey and banana. Mexico also has the climatic conditions which allow the production and export of cattle, pigs, goats and sheep.

Forestry: 39% of the Mexican territory is composed of forests and woodland. This includes scrub, oak and pine forests, low jungles and tall deciduous forests, combined with mangroves, marshes, and savannas. These forests are commonly used for providing timber - however wood production costs are 35-40% higher due to topography - as well as ecological and wildlife reserves and untapped pharmaceutical stores due to Mexico being a megadiverse country (see related questions).

BTW: keep in mind of how much food could be grown in the mexican climate, considering food shortages are eventually going to be one of wall streets big plays.
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Yeah, it would be great if Mexico took advantage of these resources. As of right now though. their best resources seem to be M&M - Meth...
Yeah, it would be great if Mexico took advantage of these resources. As of right now though. their best resources seem to be M&M - Meth and Marijuana.
Their government is very ineffective.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that we have a lot of meth coming from mexico. The majority of meth is cooked up here at small shops in rural areas.
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Their government is very ineffective.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that we have a lot of meth coming from mexico. The majority of meth is cooked up here at small shops in rural areas.
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I agree a 100% with you jmar. Ive often wondered why Mexico cant get its crap together and start mining some wealth and good times from their natural resources.

I talked for a bit this summer with a Mexican truck driver who did some work for me and he said he likes to go back to Mexico during the winter so he can do nothing...just relax and hang out. He told that when he is here, in America, he feels like he has to work all the time and keep busy.

Lazy culture?
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Racer92 wrote:
I think the USA needs to annex Mexico and make it our 51st state. That country is, and has been, in the shitter for decades with...
I think the USA needs to annex Mexico and make it our 51st state.

That country is, and has been, in the shitter for decades with no real way to catch up in the modern world. The people are oppressed with corrupt government and law officials. A large amount of Mexicans are already here or headed north anyway. The wave is coming, its been coming, may as well rethink this whole thing and come up with a different solution.

Discuss.

Culture usually is the reason why a group of people arent motivated to change their own situation. Good observation.

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