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I bought a Vortex 10 ECU for my Husky and thought it made a difference but it just seemed to make it smoother but no real power gain. When I wanted to move it to my new bike they said I had to buy a new one because the mapping is different. I ask why can't you just reprogram it? They said the maps were different. So I was reading about the new factory on MXA at https://motocrossactionmag.com/mxa-race-test-15-undeniable-facts-about-… read Fact number 5. So I gave Twisted Development  a call and ask if they can reprogram the Vortex. He said Sure, KTM, Husky, Honda and I think he said Kawasaki also, all use the same ECU. He had just had the 2020 (2019.5) in for Dyno testing for new mapping. So I brought my ECU in and they reprogramed it for the 2020 I am getting. He told me to try it on my 18.5 Husky it will work. I first tried Map one and couldn't believe the power. My next session I went to map two and was blown away, so much power and so little engine braking (I asked for this). I then let my friend try my ECU on their bikes and both were down at Twisted Development first thing Monday morning. Never heard of Twisted Development before I read that article so I am not promoting for gain. I already paid full price just like everyone else. So if you have a Vortex, it's reusable. They also program the stock ECU so you don't really need the Vortex.
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TeamGreen 5/21/2019 7:08am
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I’ve always been very impressed by Jamie’s Engine work...Including his engine maps.

He built some amazing bikes when he was at Rockstar Suzuki/KTM.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 5/21/2019 8:24am
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I’ve been working with Jamie(Twisted) for a few years and it’s very hard to believe the difference mapping makes until you try it.

I think mapping is the future of tuning, it can change the way your bike handles and how you ride.
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T-Fish 5/21/2019 9:52am
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I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so I bit the bullet and ordered a Vortex from them and had him do his mapping work on it. It was a brand new bike build, and also my first 350, so I didn’t have a way to say it was good or bad (I’ve only been able to ride the bike twice so far). My buddy just bought the same exact bike and sent in his stock ECU to TD and had them remap it. So between my friend and I, we have a bone stock ECU, a TD mapped stock ECU, and a TD mapped Vortex ECU. Last week I was able to ride my bike for the second time, and my friend and I tested and swapped ECUs all day to see what the differences were.

I can say we were both extremely happy with the work done on both. The TD mapped stock ECU was incredible in comparison to the bone stock ECU! I’ve only had a chance to use a few of the maps on the Vortex, but so far I am just as impressed. It’s absolutely amazing what remapping can do, and the work TD does is honestly mind-blowing.
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groggylbc 5/21/2019 10:13am
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T-Fish wrote:
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so...
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so I bit the bullet and ordered a Vortex from them and had him do his mapping work on it. It was a brand new bike build, and also my first 350, so I didn’t have a way to say it was good or bad (I’ve only been able to ride the bike twice so far). My buddy just bought the same exact bike and sent in his stock ECU to TD and had them remap it. So between my friend and I, we have a bone stock ECU, a TD mapped stock ECU, and a TD mapped Vortex ECU. Last week I was able to ride my bike for the second time, and my friend and I tested and swapped ECUs all day to see what the differences were.

I can say we were both extremely happy with the work done on both. The TD mapped stock ECU was incredible in comparison to the bone stock ECU! I’ve only had a chance to use a few of the maps on the Vortex, but so far I am just as impressed. It’s absolutely amazing what remapping can do, and the work TD does is honestly mind-blowing.
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the way. thanks

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T-Fish 5/21/2019 10:32am
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T-Fish wrote:
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so...
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so I bit the bullet and ordered a Vortex from them and had him do his mapping work on it. It was a brand new bike build, and also my first 350, so I didn’t have a way to say it was good or bad (I’ve only been able to ride the bike twice so far). My buddy just bought the same exact bike and sent in his stock ECU to TD and had them remap it. So between my friend and I, we have a bone stock ECU, a TD mapped stock ECU, and a TD mapped Vortex ECU. Last week I was able to ride my bike for the second time, and my friend and I tested and swapped ECUs all day to see what the differences were.

I can say we were both extremely happy with the work done on both. The TD mapped stock ECU was incredible in comparison to the bone stock ECU! I’ve only had a chance to use a few of the maps on the Vortex, but so far I am just as impressed. It’s absolutely amazing what remapping can do, and the work TD does is honestly mind-blowing.
groggylbc wrote:
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the...
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the way. thanks
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the stock, untouched ECU to be very mild in comparison. The remapped stock ECU had a more power from top to bottom. I don’t know what a dyno would show, but seat of the pants feel was very noticeable. When we were using the Vortex, we used the most powerful map just to see the difference. It seemed to take a little bottom away in comparison, but then it ripped from the mid to the top. The track conditions were horrible, so a proper review probably isn’t something I can give at this point. But for the shit conditions we had, and the little use we had between them, the difference was very noticeable and worth the cost. My buddy has been able to ride his in better track conditions and may chime in with his thoughts. We will continue to do more testing of maps and swapping the ECUs around. It was fun to do and even nicer knowing there is indeed a difference.
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groggylbc 5/21/2019 1:25pm
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T-Fish wrote:
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so...
I just got into the aftermarket/remapping ignition game within the last few months. I read tons of things about the work of Jamie from TD, so I bit the bullet and ordered a Vortex from them and had him do his mapping work on it. It was a brand new bike build, and also my first 350, so I didn’t have a way to say it was good or bad (I’ve only been able to ride the bike twice so far). My buddy just bought the same exact bike and sent in his stock ECU to TD and had them remap it. So between my friend and I, we have a bone stock ECU, a TD mapped stock ECU, and a TD mapped Vortex ECU. Last week I was able to ride my bike for the second time, and my friend and I tested and swapped ECUs all day to see what the differences were.

I can say we were both extremely happy with the work done on both. The TD mapped stock ECU was incredible in comparison to the bone stock ECU! I’ve only had a chance to use a few of the maps on the Vortex, but so far I am just as impressed. It’s absolutely amazing what remapping can do, and the work TD does is honestly mind-blowing.
groggylbc wrote:
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the...
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the way. thanks
T-Fish wrote:
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the...
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the stock, untouched ECU to be very mild in comparison. The remapped stock ECU had a more power from top to bottom. I don’t know what a dyno would show, but seat of the pants feel was very noticeable. When we were using the Vortex, we used the most powerful map just to see the difference. It seemed to take a little bottom away in comparison, but then it ripped from the mid to the top. The track conditions were horrible, so a proper review probably isn’t something I can give at this point. But for the shit conditions we had, and the little use we had between them, the difference was very noticeable and worth the cost. My buddy has been able to ride his in better track conditions and may chime in with his thoughts. We will continue to do more testing of maps and swapping the ECUs around. It was fun to do and even nicer knowing there is indeed a difference.
thank you. i would very much like to hear what your buddy has to say. thanks again
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groggylbc wrote:
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the...
what difference did you feel between the two? I am on the fence of getting a vortex or having my ecu re-done. 2014 350 by the way. thanks
T-Fish wrote:
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the...
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the stock, untouched ECU to be very mild in comparison. The remapped stock ECU had a more power from top to bottom. I don’t know what a dyno would show, but seat of the pants feel was very noticeable. When we were using the Vortex, we used the most powerful map just to see the difference. It seemed to take a little bottom away in comparison, but then it ripped from the mid to the top. The track conditions were horrible, so a proper review probably isn’t something I can give at this point. But for the shit conditions we had, and the little use we had between them, the difference was very noticeable and worth the cost. My buddy has been able to ride his in better track conditions and may chime in with his thoughts. We will continue to do more testing of maps and swapping the ECUs around. It was fun to do and even nicer knowing there is indeed a difference.
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thank you. i would very much like to hear what your buddy has to say. thanks again
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of the best 'bang for the buck' (that's what she said) money I've spent on a performance accessory part. VERY happy!

I describe it as MORE BARK from bottom to top and super clean everywhere, like old school perfect jetting on a 2 stroke.

I have ridden with it on a super loamy track and a slick, hard, dusty track with TC on and it was as described above on both tracks and conditions.

I rode my bike with his Vortex and honestly, I liked my remapped stock ECU better. This was on the dry, dusty hard pack track ...so I suspect the Vortex has more to show us on a loamy track with traction. As Troy said, it gave away some bottom for some top. Also, there are many many settings to play with on the Vortex to play with. Need more testing.

I did OJ a lot of stuff when I rode his bike with his Vortex in it too...so there's that. I think probably more power maybe with the Vortex but it's sneakier maybe? Where my TD flashed ECU was abrupt / more bark.

Thank God he has Cone Valves! LOL

Hope that all makes sense and helps!
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groggylbc 5/21/2019 3:01pm
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T-Fish wrote:
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the...
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the stock, untouched ECU to be very mild in comparison. The remapped stock ECU had a more power from top to bottom. I don’t know what a dyno would show, but seat of the pants feel was very noticeable. When we were using the Vortex, we used the most powerful map just to see the difference. It seemed to take a little bottom away in comparison, but then it ripped from the mid to the top. The track conditions were horrible, so a proper review probably isn’t something I can give at this point. But for the shit conditions we had, and the little use we had between them, the difference was very noticeable and worth the cost. My buddy has been able to ride his in better track conditions and may chime in with his thoughts. We will continue to do more testing of maps and swapping the ECUs around. It was fun to do and even nicer knowing there is indeed a difference.
groggylbc wrote:
thank you. i would very much like to hear what your buddy has to say. thanks again
644 wrote:
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of...
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of the best 'bang for the buck' (that's what she said) money I've spent on a performance accessory part. VERY happy!

I describe it as MORE BARK from bottom to top and super clean everywhere, like old school perfect jetting on a 2 stroke.

I have ridden with it on a super loamy track and a slick, hard, dusty track with TC on and it was as described above on both tracks and conditions.

I rode my bike with his Vortex and honestly, I liked my remapped stock ECU better. This was on the dry, dusty hard pack track ...so I suspect the Vortex has more to show us on a loamy track with traction. As Troy said, it gave away some bottom for some top. Also, there are many many settings to play with on the Vortex to play with. Need more testing.

I did OJ a lot of stuff when I rode his bike with his Vortex in it too...so there's that. I think probably more power maybe with the Vortex but it's sneakier maybe? Where my TD flashed ECU was abrupt / more bark.

Thank God he has Cone Valves! LOL

Hope that all makes sense and helps!
awesome!! thank you so much.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 5/21/2019 5:32pm
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T-Fish wrote:
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the...
When they remap the stock ECU, you get just the one map and TC as opposed to the stock two maps and TC. We found the stock, untouched ECU to be very mild in comparison. The remapped stock ECU had a more power from top to bottom. I don’t know what a dyno would show, but seat of the pants feel was very noticeable. When we were using the Vortex, we used the most powerful map just to see the difference. It seemed to take a little bottom away in comparison, but then it ripped from the mid to the top. The track conditions were horrible, so a proper review probably isn’t something I can give at this point. But for the shit conditions we had, and the little use we had between them, the difference was very noticeable and worth the cost. My buddy has been able to ride his in better track conditions and may chime in with his thoughts. We will continue to do more testing of maps and swapping the ECUs around. It was fun to do and even nicer knowing there is indeed a difference.
groggylbc wrote:
thank you. i would very much like to hear what your buddy has to say. thanks again
644 wrote:
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of...
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of the best 'bang for the buck' (that's what she said) money I've spent on a performance accessory part. VERY happy!

I describe it as MORE BARK from bottom to top and super clean everywhere, like old school perfect jetting on a 2 stroke.

I have ridden with it on a super loamy track and a slick, hard, dusty track with TC on and it was as described above on both tracks and conditions.

I rode my bike with his Vortex and honestly, I liked my remapped stock ECU better. This was on the dry, dusty hard pack track ...so I suspect the Vortex has more to show us on a loamy track with traction. As Troy said, it gave away some bottom for some top. Also, there are many many settings to play with on the Vortex to play with. Need more testing.

I did OJ a lot of stuff when I rode his bike with his Vortex in it too...so there's that. I think probably more power maybe with the Vortex but it's sneakier maybe? Where my TD flashed ECU was abrupt / more bark.

Thank God he has Cone Valves! LOL

Hope that all makes sense and helps!
Interesting, I rode a 2019 350 with stock ECU remapped by Twisted and Vortex by Twisted and I hands down liked the Vortex over remapped.

The remapped ECU didn't have the same connected feel, it felt better then stock, but with the Vortex I feel that even if I think about moving the throttle it's so ready to go and instant. The stock OEM maps have a terrible lag and the remapped was better but still not super snappy.

Conditions and rider play a big roll as well. I did have a friend ride my bike was thought it was insane coming off his 250f.

Love all this feedback though, awesome to see people experience this new style of bike tuning!
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motomike894 5/21/2019 5:54pm
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I’d love to have my rmz remapped but seems no one does it anymore, I’ve heard it’s huge difference, I’m too cheap to buy a vortex lol
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T-Fish 5/21/2019 9:59pm
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groggylbc wrote:
thank you. i would very much like to hear what your buddy has to say. thanks again
644 wrote:
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of...
I'm the buddy. The difference between the stock ECU and what TD flashed for my 2018 350 SXF was a lot! I would say one of the best 'bang for the buck' (that's what she said) money I've spent on a performance accessory part. VERY happy!

I describe it as MORE BARK from bottom to top and super clean everywhere, like old school perfect jetting on a 2 stroke.

I have ridden with it on a super loamy track and a slick, hard, dusty track with TC on and it was as described above on both tracks and conditions.

I rode my bike with his Vortex and honestly, I liked my remapped stock ECU better. This was on the dry, dusty hard pack track ...so I suspect the Vortex has more to show us on a loamy track with traction. As Troy said, it gave away some bottom for some top. Also, there are many many settings to play with on the Vortex to play with. Need more testing.

I did OJ a lot of stuff when I rode his bike with his Vortex in it too...so there's that. I think probably more power maybe with the Vortex but it's sneakier maybe? Where my TD flashed ECU was abrupt / more bark.

Thank God he has Cone Valves! LOL

Hope that all makes sense and helps!
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Interesting, I rode a 2019 350 with stock ECU remapped by Twisted and Vortex by Twisted and I hands down liked the Vortex over remapped. The...
Interesting, I rode a 2019 350 with stock ECU remapped by Twisted and Vortex by Twisted and I hands down liked the Vortex over remapped.

The remapped ECU didn't have the same connected feel, it felt better then stock, but with the Vortex I feel that even if I think about moving the throttle it's so ready to go and instant. The stock OEM maps have a terrible lag and the remapped was better but still not super snappy.

Conditions and rider play a big roll as well. I did have a friend ride my bike was thought it was insane coming off his 250f.

Love all this feedback though, awesome to see people experience this new style of bike tuning!
I wish I new more about tuning these things. I’m obviously not interested in trying to make my own map, but I’d like to know what the fuel trims do since there’s a map on the Vortex to tinker with them. At least that’s what I got out of Jamie’s description. I know not to go more than -3 and I can go as rich as I want without worrying about hurting the engine. So, with that being said, do you know how they work? Like, if I go to 9 on the bottom and throw a ton of fuel at it, is it going to be bog city? If I read my email right, those only come into play on the test map, correct?
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JackLHyde 5/21/2019 10:05pm
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motomike894 wrote:
I’d love to have my rmz remapped but seems no one does it anymore, I’ve heard it’s huge difference, I’m too cheap to buy a vortex...
I’d love to have my rmz remapped but seems no one does it anymore, I’ve heard it’s huge difference, I’m too cheap to buy a vortex lol
Try to get a used one, it's not a wear item. I happened to get mine very cheap and couldn't be happier. I have a RMZ 250 and it made the bike much more responsive. I recently also got a Yosh full system, with the power map it should be running fair enough for me.
The only hindsight on my bike is I cannot seem to access the trim adjusters when mounted, only the mapping adjuster.
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motomike894 5/22/2019 6:44am
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motomike894 wrote:
I’d love to have my rmz remapped but seems no one does it anymore, I’ve heard it’s huge difference, I’m too cheap to buy a vortex...
I’d love to have my rmz remapped but seems no one does it anymore, I’ve heard it’s huge difference, I’m too cheap to buy a vortex lol
JackLHyde wrote:
Try to get a used one, it's not a wear item. I happened to get mine very cheap and couldn't be happier. I have a RMZ...
Try to get a used one, it's not a wear item. I happened to get mine very cheap and couldn't be happier. I have a RMZ 250 and it made the bike much more responsive. I recently also got a Yosh full system, with the power map it should be running fair enough for me.
The only hindsight on my bike is I cannot seem to access the trim adjusters when mounted, only the mapping adjuster.
I have only seen a few pop up but not sure if 2017 and older ECU will work on the 2018 RMZ450, plus if they do happen to work I am assuming will need someone to remap it again for the 18 so it does work properly, but by the time I would've done that I would've been at about the cost of a new one.

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