FU India

I read some time ago its much the same in the rural parts of China.

The girls in India that do grow up and get married dont always have it very good either. Ive also read that the families they marry into often treat them as slaves.

One night I was watching a show on a town in India on the coast. Its where all the old freighters go to die. They take these old freighters and run them up onto the beach where a gazillion Indian men decend on them with sledge hammers and cutting torches and dismantle them. These men live a pretty tuff life, dangerous and their living condiditions are horrible. AND..........there are virtually no women around. A city without women. What a bunch of Dorks. Religious dorks

We do the same thing in the US, except we don't discriminate with boys or girls.

If a child survives an abortion and is still born alive, they can not touch it or feed it or anything. It has to be placed in the trash and left to die as medical waste.

No use pointing the finger any anyone.

Imagine what goes on in China.

What the hell ever happened the the Hippocratic Oath?

Agreed.

Let me restate so there's no confusion - it greatly varies but some hospitals have unwritten codes of not resuscitating an attempted abortion baby or even attending to it. It varies state to state and hospital to hospital, but some places make it a common practice.


The hippocratic oath doesn't apply because fetuses are not people, legally speaking, thus it's not murder.

Bush passed the "Born Alive Infants Protection Act" to stop this brutality but it has since been refused by several states, Illinois in particular under Obama.

According to Obama, who most famously voted against the act, the action of letting an aborted fetus who is born alive die does not violate any universally accepted principle, and only violates the principles of those of a certain faith.

Also, according to him, it would be unconstitutional to consider the born fetus a human being with unalienable rights.

"I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny.
Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. …
I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional."



I am particularly interested in this topic simply because my brother wouldn't be alive today if these "unwritten codes" had been around in the 80s. My mom had a terrible accident and they told her that her baby was likely going to die due to several complications for weeks after the accident, and at the very least he would have severe brain damage and be born retarded. He was aborted during the second trimester using a combination of procedures and my mom was told he would just come out at some point in a big blob, though that never happened. When she went into labor they prohibited her from seeing it because they feared it would be just pieces of a body, even though it registered a heart beat. He was, instead, born completely normal, albeit some minor complications that were controlled with normal neonatal medication and care.

Next week he graduates from med school.

The oath my son took when he graduated from Medical School


I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help



]A little different from the "old" Hippocrate oath.