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12/15/2010 12:34pm
We don't need gun control, we need bullet control. Good thing that guy had terrible control over his bullets.
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12/15/2010 1:22pm
I get the feeling some of you haven't seen this video....SCARY!

First shot-from about 10 feet-hits the desk between the guy in the center and the lady in the red dress.

Second shot hits the ground about 4 feet in front of the perp. (Dude obviously doesn't know how to use a gun).

'Third shot is fired by the security gaurd.

Fourth shot fired by security gaurd.

After that i can't tell...rapid exchange between perp and security gaurd.

All I know is that if that security gaurd hadn't fired when he did, that guy would have likely killed a few of those board members.

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12/15/2010 1:23pm
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Did you see the video Huck? The guy brought the gun to kill himself. On this particular instance (not all but on this on) the danger...
Did you see the video Huck?

The guy brought the gun to kill himself. On this particular instance (not all but on this on) the danger started when the security guard started shooting at the guy. You can only imagine how things could have turned out if numinous people were shooting their guns in such a confined area.

I will be the first to admit that having legally armed people would be a plus in some instances, but it more than likely would have made the situation worse in this one.
Psychic? Mind Reader?
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12/15/2010 1:24pm
Yes, we need more people armed while in the vicinity of ithe most obnoxious and hormonal creatures on the planet. Great idea.

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12/15/2010 2:20pm
Titan1 wrote:
I get the feeling some of you haven't seen this video....SCARY! First shot-from about 10 feet-hits the desk between the guy in the center and the...
I get the feeling some of you haven't seen this video....SCARY!

First shot-from about 10 feet-hits the desk between the guy in the center and the lady in the red dress.

Second shot hits the ground about 4 feet in front of the perp. (Dude obviously doesn't know how to use a gun).

'Third shot is fired by the security gaurd.

Fourth shot fired by security gaurd.

After that i can't tell...rapid exchange between perp and security gaurd.

All I know is that if that security gaurd hadn't fired when he did, that guy would have likely killed a few of those board members.

That video is seriously scary shit. When he points and pulls that trigger...damn.
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He deserved to die, just for being such a lousy shot..
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12/15/2010 2:50pm
Hey huck, post the picture of you standing by your bike with your trophies. Thanks.
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When I watched it last night the video stopped after the 1st shot. I thought maybe he really was only trying to scare them and (like the board member said) wanted the security guard to kill him so he didn't have to shoot himself. Now after seeing the rest of the tape, it looks like he did try to shoot someone with the last two shots he fired. The gunman also looked surprised when his 2nd shot went off and hit the floor. Good thing the security guard was there for sure.
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12/15/2010 3:34pm
jib-tmb wrote:
When I watched it last night the video stopped after the 1st shot. I thought maybe he really was only trying to scare them and (like...
When I watched it last night the video stopped after the 1st shot. I thought maybe he really was only trying to scare them and (like the board member said) wanted the security guard to kill him so he didn't have to shoot himself. Now after seeing the rest of the tape, it looks like he did try to shoot someone with the last two shots he fired. The gunman also looked surprised when his 2nd shot went off and hit the floor. Good thing the security guard was there for sure.
Did he fire more than two shots?

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If you watched the video just a couple of posts back you see him fire 3 shots and then it says he fired another one to kill himself.
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jib-tmb wrote:
When I watched it last night the video stopped after the 1st shot. I thought maybe he really was only trying to scare them and (like...
When I watched it last night the video stopped after the 1st shot. I thought maybe he really was only trying to scare them and (like the board member said) wanted the security guard to kill him so he didn't have to shoot himself. Now after seeing the rest of the tape, it looks like he did try to shoot someone with the last two shots he fired. The gunman also looked surprised when his 2nd shot went off and hit the floor. Good thing the security guard was there for sure.
jmar wrote:
Did he fire more than two shots?

He fired at least two (one hit the desk, and another hit the ground in front of him), then it looked to me like he fired at least two more over the desk when the security gaurd started shooting at him....then one more to kill himself.
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Oops, they just showed more video on TV. Man he fired off 10 or 12 rounds in a short amount of time and he had extra clips and ammo. They cut the video right when he pointed the gun at his own head. He was there obviously to kill some people.
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12/15/2010 4:39pm
Void Main wrote:
Oops, they just showed more video on TV. Man he fired off 10 or 12 rounds in a short amount of time and he had extra...
Oops, they just showed more video on TV. Man he fired off 10 or 12 rounds in a short amount of time and he had extra clips and ammo. They cut the video right when he pointed the gun at his own head. He was there obviously to kill some people.
Clips... LOL
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12/15/2010 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 12/15/2010 4:53pm
Void Main wrote:
Oops, they just showed more video on TV. Man he fired off 10 or 12 rounds in a short amount of time and he had extra...
Oops, they just showed more video on TV. Man he fired off 10 or 12 rounds in a short amount of time and he had extra clips and ammo. They cut the video right when he pointed the gun at his own head. He was there obviously to kill some people.
huck wrote:
Clips... LOL
Fuck you Mr coyote hunter. You fired just as many rounds as that dude and didn't hit what you were aiming at either. I'll bet you had extra clips too. Smile
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12/15/2010 6:33pm
i think he missed on purpose
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12/15/2010 7:13pm
CR250Rider wrote:
i think he missed on purpose
I didn't want say that myself, but that's what it appears to me also.

Who knows? Either way the guy was a whack job.
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Definitely a whack job but why would he point the gun at people and pull the trigger if he missed on purpose? He obviously didn't know how to handle the gun as the 2nd shot was completely accidental and it scared him that the gun went off (you see him jump). Hell, huck is an expert marksman and couldn't hit a coyote at the same distance with 30 shots.
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12/15/2010 7:51pm
Void Main wrote:
Definitely a whack job but why would he point the gun at people and pull the trigger if he missed on purpose? He obviously didn't know...
Definitely a whack job but why would he point the gun at people and pull the trigger if he missed on purpose? He obviously didn't know how to handle the gun as the 2nd shot was completely accidental and it scared him that the gun went off (you see him jump). Hell, huck is an expert marksman and couldn't hit a coyote at the same distance with 30 shots.
Who could miss a still target at that distance?
I believe the second shot was fired in the ground on purpose.

He just didn't look like a man on the edge wanting to kill someone. Did you see how he reacted when the lady tried to knock the gun out of his hand with her purse?

Whack job? Yes

Man intent on killing someone? It didn't look like it, but who know's.

Man wanting to kill himself? I would say yes.
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I've only watched the video posted above but it Looks like things started to go down hill fast after he got shot at. Seemed to either scare him or piss him off or both. I only counted him firing 4 times not counting the one he used on himself. Did he shoot more after he hit the floor?
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Who could miss a still target at that distance?

huck

I believe the second shot was fired in the ground on purpose.

If that is true then why did he jump in surprise?

He just didn't look like a man on the edge wanting to kill someone.

That's not what the people on the other side of the desk who were looking into his eyes said. In fact they said just the opposite.

Did you see how he reacted when the lady tried to knock the gun out of his hand with her purse?

Yes, he was like "WTF are you doing? I told you to get out of the room." It was a typical murder suicide scenario. If it was just a suicide scenario he would have done it at home behind closed doors.
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12/15/2010 7:58pm Edited Date/Time 12/15/2010 7:58pm
jib-tmb wrote:
I've only watched the video posted above but it Looks like things started to go down hill fast after he got shot at. Seemed to either...
I've only watched the video posted above but it Looks like things started to go down hill fast after he got shot at. Seemed to either scare him or piss him off or both. I only counted him firing 4 times not counting the one he used on himself. Did he shoot more after he hit the floor?
You mean things weren't down hill by the time he got his first 2 rounds off? Yes, he fired close to a dozen shots. There are more videos on youtube but you have to log in to see the full video.
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12/15/2010 8:03pm
Watch the video again. He shot right between two of the guys.

Who knows, but the guy was a whacko that wanted to die, and that he succeeded in.
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jib-tmb wrote:
I've only watched the video posted above but it Looks like things started to go down hill fast after he got shot at. Seemed to either...
I've only watched the video posted above but it Looks like things started to go down hill fast after he got shot at. Seemed to either scare him or piss him off or both. I only counted him firing 4 times not counting the one he used on himself. Did he shoot more after he hit the floor?
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You mean things weren't down hill by the time he got his first 2 rounds off? Yes, he fired close to a dozen shots. There are...
You mean things weren't down hill by the time he got his first 2 rounds off? Yes, he fired close to a dozen shots. There are more videos on youtube but you have to log in to see the full video.
Yes, you're right. Things went real bad after the first shot but until he was shot at I thought "maybe" he was just some nut trying to scare the board members. But of course I wasn't sitting there looking him in the eyes either.

I'll look up the other videos.
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Watch the video again. He shot right between two of the guys. Who knows, but the guy was a whacko that wanted to die, and that...
Watch the video again. He shot right between two of the guys.

Who knows, but the guy was a whacko that wanted to die, and that he succeeded in.
Maybe I am watching different videos than you are but what I saw was a bullet hit the table right in "front" of the guy he was aiming at. He shot low. In the grand scheme of things I don't see how it matters but it's fairly apparent to me this guy wanted to take some people with him. I can't find the exact video that was on TV today that showed more footage up to the point where he killed himself but here it is with the view distorted so you can't see anything but you can still hear it:



Of course he might not have fired any shots at all, it might have been the dude on the grassy knoll. Smile
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Little lady was both brave and stupid.
Guy talking to the shooter, nerves of steel.
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12/15/2010 8:49pm
If you listen to the end of the video, one of the board members says, " mike,they are not real mike,i don't think. He had caps mike. That's what he wanted right there. That's what i was trying to talk him out of". It sounds like he was trying suicide by cop.I don't think he intended for anyone besides himself to get hurt. Now that woman with the purse needs to be jailed for just plain stupidity.Shocked
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12/15/2010 9:14pm
I believe the reason they said that is because they weren't actually hit so they assumed that they were caps. How else could the gun have been pointed right at them and they not get hit? Obviously when they saw the dude's brains on the floor they new the bullets were real. That was nothing short of a Pulp Fiction moment right there:

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12/15/2010 9:26pm
Void,

Look at this again very slowly.

First shot: Clearly between two people.
Second shot: Clearly pointed toward the ground.
Then at around 34 seconds he pulls the gun close, to what I would call a neutral position then starts to walk to his left to resume talking. Then the guard clearly caught him off guard.

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First shot: Clearly between two people.

I disagree. I think (and I believe the guy the gun was pointing at also thinks according to his recounting) that the gun was pointed right at him. However, without having a vantage point directly in front, behind, or above the gun it would be difficult to tell from that camera angle. All I know is the guy slumped back when the first shot was fired because he thought he was taking one. Luckily it was low and into the desk.

Second shot: Clearly pointed toward the ground.

Second shot, clearly accidental.

Now, I want you to tell me what you think his intentions were with the 3rd and 4th shots.

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