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Blizzard warnings in Ohio today.. IN MARCH for cryin out loud !!!
What a winter. I lost count of the number of snowstorms weeks ago. All I know is that they seem to be lined up like planes approaching a runway, with no end in sight.
I want to note here that I am not complaining about the snow, only observing. I dare not complain, because sooner or later my whining will put me at odds with some venerable old codger who will attest to far, far worse winters in the "old days," and he'll have the photos to prove it.
Well, be that as it may, the report for tonight is for more snow. Or ice. Or snow and ice. It really doesn't matter anymore because this winter has become something of a buffet, where the wait staff fills the chafing dishes as quickly as the patrons empty them. My duty, then, as one who is resolved to stick it out is to curl up with a book and wait for the inevitable. But first I will light the fire – with a postcard from Orlando, Fla., that arrived just yesterday, asking how things are where I am.
regards,
ps. If you see Algore, give him a good kick in the pants.
What a winter. I lost count of the number of snowstorms weeks ago. All I know is that they seem to be lined up like planes approaching a runway, with no end in sight.
I want to note here that I am not complaining about the snow, only observing. I dare not complain, because sooner or later my whining will put me at odds with some venerable old codger who will attest to far, far worse winters in the "old days," and he'll have the photos to prove it.
Well, be that as it may, the report for tonight is for more snow. Or ice. Or snow and ice. It really doesn't matter anymore because this winter has become something of a buffet, where the wait staff fills the chafing dishes as quickly as the patrons empty them. My duty, then, as one who is resolved to stick it out is to curl up with a book and wait for the inevitable. But first I will light the fire – with a postcard from Orlando, Fla., that arrived just yesterday, asking how things are where I am.
regards,
ps. If you see Algore, give him a good kick in the pants.
Fbiiraqisbein_mnNEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.
Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.
It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.
But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
The data flies in the face of many current thinkers and will be seized on by climate change sceptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.
A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.
It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient Truth lectures about mankind’s impact on the world. But scientists say the northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.
They add that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966.
The one exception is Western Europe, which has – until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10C in some places – been basking in unseasonably warm weather. The UK has reported one of its warmest winters on record.[/quote:3atkbsax]
Since all the noise and hot air about Global Warming has really emanated from Western Europe, it seems fitting about that last paragraph.
Ice caps ain't meltin', they're just moving to Ger's neighborhood. Stay warm and brave the storm with fortitude.... spring can't be far behind, m'friend!
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Global warming is not the issue the issue is the ocean and lakes are dying expodentially. Pollution is covering all living plants and organisms in waters and then photosynthesis stops working, water clarity suffers, temperature also raises as organisms decay, causing more heat and so on. I spent most of my life diving and fishing reefs around Florida and in just a short time I have watched the colorful reefs and even grass become covered in black muck, thousands of miles of bottom that has always been white sand and many colorful objects are no longer. Lake Okeechobee is the big lake in center of Florida on maps and is dead, the water shed flows south through the state and filters into the lake. That water then flows down through everglades and then out to ocean or East and West exiting through rivers that flow to the sea. All grass, crabs, shrimp and many other creatures are gone from these rivers. They have been there my whole life until the last few years, now just black muck remains. No reef life can survive any longer within miles of these river mouths. Palm beach county as well as Sanibel island and many other cities have huge lawsuits against the Core of Engineers for alowing the amount of polluted water to flow out to our estuaries. I could go on for days, this is just a small piece of the trend. There are so many variables and it may be to late to turn this around.
This is asking for a bunch of STFU's from the northerners about the nice weather. LMAO
Global warming is not the issue the issue is the ocean and lakes are dying expodentially. Pollution is covering all living plants and organisms in waters and then photosynthesis stops working, water clarity suffers, temperature also raises as organisms decay, causing more heat and so on. I spent most of my life diving and fishing reefs around Florida and in just a short time I have watched the colorful reefs and even grass become covered in black muck, thousands of miles of bottom that has always been white sand and many colorful objects are no longer. Lake Okeechobee is the big lake in center of Florida on maps and is dead, the water shed flows south through the state and filters into the lake. That water then flows down through everglades and then out to ocean or East and West exiting through rivers that flow to the sea. All grass, crabs, shrimp and many other creatures are gone from these rivers. They have been there my whole life until the last few years, now just black muck remains. No reef life can survive any longer within miles of these river mouths. Palm beach county as well as Sanibel island and many other cities have huge lawsuits against the Core of Engineers for alowing the amount of polluted water to flow out to our estuaries. I could go on for days, this is just a small piece of the trend. There are so many variables and it may be to late to turn this around.
This is asking for a bunch of STFU's from the northerners about the nice weather. LMAO[/quote:jc9dujtr]
I believe your experience is true...but, who's to say this isn't natural. That's really the fuss. Of course, human pollution is a problem. Is it pushing GW? Or are we in the natural cycle of the earth/solar system?
As Dave says, being good to the environment is wise...thinking we are driving it is a completely different story.
But the fact they drained the swamps to build all the highways, towns, businesses, golf courses, etc...
I believe your experience is true...but, who's to say this isn't natural. That's really the fuss.[/quote:2my47u2p]
FOR THE LAST TIME, THERE IS NO FUSS. That is a false debate started by marketers to make fun of intelligent people (treehuggers). Reminds me of the movie [b:2my47u2p]Idiocracy[/b:2my47u2p].
stay warm
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Salacious? First, I don't associate it with algore at all. Being a scientist, I have a bit more participation in the subject as it concerns science. The people (and notice I don't say "scientists") who disagree with Global Warming are reacting to the notion that people can pollute the environment, and to survive force an uncomfortable modification of behavior to reverse it. Go over to Thumpertalk and see how the guys there deal with environmental issues: "IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT YOUR A PUSSY!" That's in the movie [b:1lov2ron]Idiocracy[/b:1lov2ron]. That's all I'm saying.
But it's not just laymen, even scientists in other fields disagree for the same reason laymen do: they don't educate themselves on the subject. The fact is, it is actually much worse than what's being reported. Here's another movie reference for ya: The Matrix. People are asleep in their pods, going on faith and dreams that everything will be alright, that they will be saved by some supernatural force. Sorry it doesn't work like that. Yes, it may be 50-100 years before the waters rise, and I'll be dead by then, but my kids will see Ground Zero as a swamp.
So you don't think a significant number of accredited, nobel-class scientists would ever go on record in opposition to the whole IPCC 'settled science' claim?
Just askin...
And is that because of our carbon-belching oversized SUVs driven by our trophy wives or because those glaciers are the last remnants of the (last) Ice Age in the U.S., and have been disappearing slowly over the last 10,000 years since we're, wait, wait for it, NOT IN AN ICE AGE ANYMORE !?!?
There's no argument against Global Warming but it's not as bad as is reported in the movie. They cherry pick data and build their own narrative. A couple of assertions are outright wrong. But the basic premise is correct. They just just overdramatize a lot of it.
This is not correct. Out of 2000 facts presented in the "movie", a drama, 35 have been called into question. And it looks like 9 might actually be incorrect. The basic premise of the film is correct. BTW, this is not a scientific paper.
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So you don't think a significant number of accredited, nobel-class scientists would ever go on record in opposition to the whole IPCC 'settled science' claim?
Just askin...[/quote:121n591v]
Good question! I can't really make a credible rebuttal against nobel-class "climate" scientists but the problems they have seem to be minor. Also, the scientific evidence has to be in the form of peer-reviewed papers. They don't have that. If there is so much money out there to fund research to prove global warming there should be plenty of money out there to disprove it as well. Let's see that research. Oh, wait. There's none.
I will say that the IPCC "peer review" process looks like a sham. While more like a review, the "peer" part of it is not traditional to scientific norms. I saw a breakdown of the problems with it and while minor (punctuation type stuff), they rejected serious criticism. I don't like that at all.
But I don't consider this issue "settled science". Hopefully we're still learning about it - and from a political standpoint, I hope we don't do anything stupid to jeopardize our economy!
[size=85:30xn4lp9]And just consider these guys: Richard S. J. Tol, director of the Centre for Marine and Atmospheric Science at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, or Christopher Landsea of the Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory, or Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a member of the National Academy of Sciences. These three -- among the most cited scientists in the world in the field of climate change-- were universally acclaimed IPCC scientists until they disagreed with the positions espoused by the IPCC leadership. These deniers may no longer have an unqualified IPCC stamp of approval, but their academic credentials, record of scientific discoveries, and scientific prizes remain for all to see.:
Claude Allegre received a Ph D in physics in 1962 from the University of Paris. He became the director of the geochemistry and cosmochemistry program at the French National Scientific Research Centre in 1967 and in 1971, he was appointed director of the University of Paris's Department of Earth Sciences. In 1976, he became director of the Paris Institut de Physique du Globe. He is an author of more than 100 scientific articles, many of them seminal studies on the evolution of the Earth using isotopic evidence, and 11 books. He is a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the French Academy of Science.
Edward Wegman received his Ph.D. degree in mathematical statistics from the University of Iowa. In 1978, he went to the Office of Naval Research, where he headed the Mathematical Sciences Division with responsibility Navy-wide for basic research programs. He coined the phrase computational statistics, and developed a high-profile research area around this concept, which focused on techniques and methodologies that could not be achieved without the capabilities of modern computing resources and led to a revolution in contemporary statistical graphics. Dr. Wegman was the original program director of the basic research program in Ultra High Speed Computing at the Strategic Defense Initiative's Innovative Science and Technology Office. He has served as editor or associate editor of numerous prestigious journals and has published more than 160 papers and eight books.
Richard Tol received his PhD in Economics from the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. He is Michael Otto Professor of Sustainability and Global Change at Hamburg University, director of the Centre for Marine and Atmospheric Science, principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie Mellon University. He is a board member of the Centre for Marine and Climate Research, the International Max Planck Research Schools of Earth Systems Modelling and Maritime Affairs, and the European Forum on Integrated Environmental Assessment. He is an editor of Energy Economics, an associate editor of Environmental and Resource Economics, and a member of the editorial board of Environmental Science and Policy and Integrated Assessment.
Christopher Landsea received his doctoral degree in atmospheric science from Colorado State University. A research meteorologist at the Atlantic Oceanic and Meteorological Laboratory of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, he was chair of the American Meteorological Society's committee on tropical meteorology and tropical cyclones and a recipient of the American Meteorological Society's Banner I. Miller Award for the "best contribution to the science of hurricane and tropical weather forecasting." He is a frequent contributor to leading journals, including Science, Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Journal of Climate, and Nature.
Duncan Wingham was educated at Leeds and Bath Universities where he gained a B.Sc. and PhD. in Physics. He was appointed to a chair in the Department of Space and Climate Physics in 1996, and to head of the Department of Earth Sciences in October, 2005. Prof. Wingham is a member of the National Environmental Research Council's Science and Technology Board and Earth Observation Experts Group. He is a director of the NERC Centre for Polar Observation & Modelling and principal scientist of the European Space Agency CryoSat Satellite Mission, the first ESA Earth Sciences satellite selected through open, scientific competition.
Richard Lindzen received his PhD in applied mathematics in 1964 from Harvard University. A professor of meteorology in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a member of the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate. He is also a consultant to the Global Modeling and Simulation Group at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is author or coauthor of over 200 scholarly papers and books.
Henrik Svensmark is director of the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish Space Research Institute (DSRI). Previously, Dr. Svensmark was head of the sunclimate group at DSRI. He has held post doctoral positions in physics at University California Berkeley, Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, and the Niels Bohr Institute. In 1997, Dr Svensmark received the Knud Hojgaard Anniversary Research Prize and in 2001 the Energy-E2 Research Prize
Nigel Weiss, professor emeritus of mathematical astrophysics in the University of Cambridge, discovered the process of "flux expulsion" by which a conducting fluid undergoing rotating motion acts to expel the magnetic flux from the region of motion, a process now known to occur in the photosphere of the sun and other stars. He is also distinguished for his work on the theory of convection, and for precise numerical experiments on the behaviour of complicated non-linear differential equations. Nigel Weiss is a recipient of a Royal Society Citation, he is a past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a past Chairman of Cambridge's School of Physical Sciences. He was educated at Clare College, University of Cambridge.
Henk Tennekes, and along with other colleagues had been instrumental in convincing Tennekes to return to Europe in 1978 to become director of research at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute and later chairman of the august Scientific Advisory Committee of the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts.
Henk Tennekes, in ways both personal and professional, has touched an extraordinary number of lives in his own distinguished career, among academics and laymen alike. He is loved for his popular 1997 book, The Simple Science of Flight From Insects to Jumbo Jets, and for his scholarly 1972 work, A First Course in Turbulence, a classic that logs more than 2,000 citations on Google Scholar. His provocative 1986 speech, "No Forecast Is Complete Without A Forecast of Forecast Skill," led to the now-common discipline of "ensemble forecasting" and spurred "multi-model forecasting." Scientists today continue to wrestle with the fundamental critiques that he first presented.[/size:30xn4lp9]
I've seen some dissenting opinions, but it's not accepted yet. And not convincing, especially those who are later found out to be complete frauds. But again, I hope they bring it.
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