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Tedesco isn't a Privateer, you know he didn't agree to ride without a good contract. He said he wouldn't ride unless he got a decent deal.
He's ripping off other riders who deserve it more.
Props to Langston and the JGR guy's for not trying to cherry pick this deal.
Valli is also a private/privateer deal too.
The GL8 program is very similar to Valli's.
Getting the fine print of it all sorted out
seems to be a necessary homework
assignment for GL's management!
Dave O.
The whole deal of who's what, boils
down to the AMA.
The definition of it all is what it is, that's why
there's anger & confusion most of the time.
This hasn't changed for some time...........
For me, ANY who get financial support from the factory
aren't privateers.
Any who get ANY support parts or otherwise from the
factory aren't privateers either.............
It's a gray area that needs to be cleaned up & defined
much more clearly.
Privateers are privateers........simple!
Factory supported are not........simple!
Re-writing it all seems so simple too, but it seems
Hell will freeze over 1st............
Dave O.
The Shop
DeCal Works Huge Plastic Inventory of UFO and Polisport kits.
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
That should show you how "great" the AMA is.
A privateer is someone pitted out of a pick up or cargo van with no OEM support from anyone.
This privateer definition/awards shit is way out of hand, IT is not a privateer, unless I see him at Indy with the van he drove from california and etc. then thats horse shit.
Back in the early days, a privateer was a rider who showed up with his own equipment, had his father as a mechanic and the only support he was given was from a few sponsors and maybe a local shop. The only money he made racing was what he won on Sunday.
For me, a private effort defines a modern privateer.
It's in the fine print of it all that defines it.
There's the privateer effort, then there's the privateer
factory supported effort, factory satellite effort, & full factory.
Whether or not it's him, his dad & his dog, the times
have changed. Most of the vehicles used by such have
gone way way up the ladder too, but again, whether he
earns some money from sponsors or not isn't the defining
factor.
The Factories are..........
A privateer today, is a 100% non-factory supported guy.
He can be such through a dealer, but not the back door type.
IT9, GL8, are not privateers at all...........
There's more too............
Bikes, parts, etc., through the factories system are not privateers.
Through a dealership are.
There's a fine line there for sure, but no back door deals allowed!
Many skate this as they're on a true privately funded team.
But no support can be from the factory.
Technical help sure, but nothing more!
Valli, JGR, J-Laws, Moto Concepts, & others are private teams
just not privateers.
Dave O.
Neither Tedesco or GL are privateers.
the issue...........
The pick-up days are long gone........
Just check out an amateur event. Many of the rigs
& cubic dollars dwarf a factory style deal.
Show Haulers, Fun Movers & even semis have
entered the private/privateer ranks.
Today, you can be a well funded privateer effort.
It's just again that it all has to be on the private dime.
Bikes, parts, whatever all paid for or supported through
a private interest, sponsor, dealer...........
Non-factory!
& Butler Bros. yes, as long as it's all coming from non-factory sources.
Dealerships are a non-factory source.
Factories can route help through dealerships, just not direct.
Dave O.
simply aren't, that goes for SX & MX .............
Sure they're non-factory, but again they are.
Fine print again...........
Any form of factory support other than technical changes ones
status.
A factory routing support through a dealership does not.
Factories want the dealerships to do more & to be involved
more. The only way for them to do such, is by example, say with
Valli Motorsports, is to route ALL through a dealership, a Yamaha
dealership, & that goes for ALL the manufactures.
By doing it as they currently are, it should void the privateer status of many.
Again, quite the mess, but with any mess until someone makes the effort to
clean it up, well you just have a mess on your hands.............
Dave O.
if you don't pay a dime out of yer own pocket to race yer not a privateer.
Not the sponsors nor the factories or press either.
The AMA need to have a simple but brief questioner.
& for my pal Kenny Watson, he's correct...........
If the whole deal at Hart & Huntington is non-factory,
regardless of the Rockstar money, then they're "privateers"..
Even the factory contingency money, that's for private guys,
not factory supported guys or back door supported guys.........
It's funny over the many years how many times this comes up
& has been a problem for some.
Some get rewarded justly.....
Some don't, but it's always that gray area, & needs to be
handled once & for all...........
Remember, the check your cashing may not really be your own?
Dave O.
Pit Row
"Let me clear this up for you real fast! Valli Motorsports is a full privateer team! Valli pays for all their bikes and parts that they get also every part on Ivans bike you can buy right out of a parts book at any local dealership! The suspension and pipe can be bought at PC and the engine is complete GYTR wich can be bought from a parts book at a Yamaha dealership also Ivan is'nt paid any salary or bonus money from Yamaha so that makes him a privateer! NOW L&M has Works suspension Works parts and Factory motors from Yamaha and their riders are paid bonuses from Yamaha and JGR runs works parts from Yamaha and their riders are also paid bonus money from Yamaha so that makes them NOT privateers! "
But Ivan gets nothing from Yamaha that they don't pay for. Plain and simple. If Valli isn't paying then they aren't using.
"Let me clear this up for you real fast! Valli Motorsports is a full privateer team! Valli pays for all their bikes and parts that they get also every part on Ivans bike you can buy right out of a parts book at any local dealership! The suspension and pipe can be bought at PC and the engine is complete GYTR wich can be bought from a parts book at a Yamaha dealership also Ivan is'nt paid any salary or bonus money from Yamaha so that makes him a privateer! NOW L&M has Works suspension Works parts and Factory motors from Yamaha and their riders are paid bonuses from Yamaha and JGR runs works parts from Yamaha and their riders are also paid bonus money from Yamaha so that makes them NOT privateers! "
Well, Dave O. shame on me.......& I stand corrected.
(not the 1st time.......) sorry "Throttle & Co."...........
However, that alone & all else are the reasons that the AMA needs to have
a clear clarification on their end of it all. You see there could be good money
involved at some point so again, if your clearly not a factory effort, then when filing
for team credentials, etc., a "team outline form" of sorts needs to be done by all.
It would ask specifics about the teams to determine if in fact they were true privateers
& void of factory involvement outside of technical help.
Being allowed to ride/test on the factory test tracks has no bearing.
On another note, many teams can pay for works/factory offerings if available to them.
They also may pay for bikes as well.
Sure, a privateer doesn't get a factory salary.
But he could be eligible for contingency money, not bonus money.
Again, if these various teams registered their status of sorts, then
no more issues or problems & everyone's happy.
Dave O.
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