Got a new dog. But it's not going well

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Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 3:55am
We live on a farm in Zimbabwe and as more people leave the country dogs need homes so my bosses sister is moving to the UK and I agree to take on her male Labrador and I have a 13 year old boerbul already. So the lab attacks my old guy as he comes in the gate. The poor old guy has been taken out 4 times but tonight the old boy got the better of the lab.

The question is has anybody got any hints or tips to help me get through this. They are both such gentle loving dogs apart but hate each other.

I've read a lot of stuff on Google but nothing useful yet.
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KennyT 6/8/2022 12:07pm
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I’ve been dealing with this same thing with my new Olde English Bulldog. She is probably the sweetest dog I have ever owned, yet she can go psycho with my daughters coon hound. I finally hired a trainer and she has helped me immensely in just 2 sessions.

The key to my problem involved what she called a training collar. It’s a metal collar that slips over the neck. You keep her in that for the training along with your leash. Purposely put the 2 dogs together in a situation that would normally provoke a attack. As soon as you sense the aggression you tug on the leash, if the tug doesn’t work you yank, if that doesn’t work you pull so hard it flips the dog on its back until she gets it. While doing this determine a keyword. She suggested “NO” as it’s short and it is to be used whenever your dog is misbehaving. “No” combined with the collar has just about cured my dog if her aggression in a matter of 3-4 weeks . Once she seems to be getting the hang of it you take the leash off but leave the collar on. Be right next to her so you can reach over and grab her by that collar if needed.

Now my dog is only 11 months old so I’m not sure how this method will work with a more mature dog. Just thought I’d pass this along
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lostboy819 6/8/2022 12:13pm
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I have had Dobermans my whole life so what Kenny T says is true, You have to train them and sometimes you have to choke the hell out of them with a hard yank on that collar and it only takes a couple times before they get the picture.
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Hoseclamp 6/8/2022 12:26pm
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Ive had dobermans too. Personalities can be different. Not all dogs respond as well to the "training collar". If that dosnt work a shock collar might be another option with the same training method. Ask me how I know....



She is one strong girl, and when determined, not much is gonna stop her. Good training is VERY important. Chokers worked with my last few, but this one required a shocker which also adds the benifit of not having to be beside her or holding a leash to do the training. It worked pretty well when trying to teach her to "heel" while she chases me on my dirtbike.
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Crake 6/8/2022 12:36pm
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Thanks for the replies. The lab is five and they are both males. It's a total mess. My wife is scared to go outside. Not because they will hurt her but because they both seem to want to protect her from the other one.

The boerbul is a beast he once killed a fully grown baboon. But getting on a bit.

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KennyT 6/8/2022 12:47pm
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Hoseclamp wrote:
Ive had dobermans too. Personalities can be different. Not all dogs respond as well to the "training collar". If that dosnt work a shock collar might...
Ive had dobermans too. Personalities can be different. Not all dogs respond as well to the "training collar". If that dosnt work a shock collar might be another option with the same training method. Ask me how I know....



She is one strong girl, and when determined, not much is gonna stop her. Good training is VERY important. Chokers worked with my last few, but this one required a shocker which also adds the benifit of not having to be beside her or holding a leash to do the training. It worked pretty well when trying to teach her to "heel" while she chases me on my dirtbike.
I’ve heard shock collars work really well too. I did need to yank on my pup hard enough that her collar broke a couple of times. I was able to put it back together. It’s amazing how tough dogs can be when they get into that kill mode. What’s so weird is she is so sweet with people/kids. Thank god!
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Hoseclamp 6/8/2022 2:08pm
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KennyT wrote:
I’ve heard shock collars work really well too. I did need to yank on my pup hard enough that her collar broke a couple of times...
I’ve heard shock collars work really well too. I did need to yank on my pup hard enough that her collar broke a couple of times. I was able to put it back together. It’s amazing how tough dogs can be when they get into that kill mode. What’s so weird is she is so sweet with people/kids. Thank god!
Ours is super sweet too, and wont hurt anybody, but certian things really get her blood pumping and she gets super wound up. Squirrels are one. She caught a red squirrel the other day (no small feat as they are very fast) and dropped it and picked it back up 3 or 4 times. She didnt know what to do with it after she caught it. It ended up running up inside the wifes car. I kinda wish she woulda killed the pest, but I also dont want her to get it in her head that thats a good thing for fear she'll get a cat or small dog or something. As far as her training, that shock collar is the bees knees. You dont have to turn it up and hurt them but the shock REALLY gets their attention. It has been very effective for training. In fact when she sees me grab it she gets all excited because she knows we're about to do some fun stuff. I dont worry about taking her in public or the track and having to keep her on a leash as she listens very well and will stay right with me if I tell her to, but can also run around and play with kids and other dogs if I think its appropriate. If she gets overbearing or too wound up, I just give her a beep and she knows to knock it off and if she is too excited to listen to the beep, a small electric poke is all it takes to get her refocused and listening to me. I rarely ever have to zap her anymore, but having it on is like added security and peace of mind.
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Falcon 6/8/2022 2:58pm
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The dogs are just trying to figure out which one is the alpha dog. You can tell the new Lab to kick rocks and while petting the old one and he'll figure it out eventually.
lostboy819 6/8/2022 3:07pm
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I have used shock collars in the past also and they work great, sound then vibration and then a shock if you need to. Sad part now is very few home owners insurance wont cover some breeds like Rots, Dobermans, German Shepard's, Chows etc so you have to shop insurance so you are covered.
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Hoseclamp 6/8/2022 3:24pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I have used shock collars in the past also and they work great, sound then vibration and then a shock if you need to. Sad part...
I have used shock collars in the past also and they work great, sound then vibration and then a shock if you need to. Sad part now is very few home owners insurance wont cover some breeds like Rots, Dobermans, German Shepard's, Chows etc so you have to shop insurance so you are covered.
We used to register ours with the county as a "black and tan coon hound" for his dog liscence haha! One day our insurance sent someone out to assess our property like they do from time to time. He saw our dobe and we had to switch to a different insurance carrier. Like all of those breeds you listed above, many of these dogs get an unfair reputation. All this talk in this country about prejudice this and racist that but noone applies this logic to canines. 🤣
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lostboy819 6/8/2022 4:01pm
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I have used shock collars in the past also and they work great, sound then vibration and then a shock if you need to. Sad part...
I have used shock collars in the past also and they work great, sound then vibration and then a shock if you need to. Sad part now is very few home owners insurance wont cover some breeds like Rots, Dobermans, German Shepard's, Chows etc so you have to shop insurance so you are covered.
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We used to register ours with the county as a "black and tan coon hound" for his dog liscence haha! One day our insurance sent someone...
We used to register ours with the county as a "black and tan coon hound" for his dog liscence haha! One day our insurance sent someone out to assess our property like they do from time to time. He saw our dobe and we had to switch to a different insurance carrier. Like all of those breeds you listed above, many of these dogs get an unfair reputation. All this talk in this country about prejudice this and racist that but noone applies this logic to canines. 🤣
Yep, we have had 4 Doberman females and they are the best dogs ever, too bad we had to shop home owners a couple times over the years. Pits Bulls are banned where I live unless you prove you have some insane amount of special insurance so you don't see man around here.
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Crake wrote:
Thanks for the replies. The lab is five and they are both males. It's a total mess. My wife is scared to go outside. Not because...
Thanks for the replies. The lab is five and they are both males. It's a total mess. My wife is scared to go outside. Not because they will hurt her but because they both seem to want to protect her from the other one.

The boerbul is a beast he once killed a fully grown baboon. But getting on a bit.
Are they both neutered?
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We got a shock collar for a wild ass male Kellie puppy. He wouldn't listen for shit.
I'd smack him around to show him who's boss, and nothing.
Put that collar on him, and had him walking the straight and narrow.
The only problem was, my border collie healer mix bitch decided she didn't like it on him, and she kept chewing if off.
I finally got him trained up the hard way.

He's the goofy one on the bird bath if anyone remembers that.
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I use to have two female labs. Sisters from the same litter. They were the absolute sweetest dogs I’ve ever had.

Only one problem is that about once a week they would get into UFC bare knuckle death matches with each other. They could never settle on who was top dog. You couldn’t even barely break them up when they go into fight mode.

We finally had to send them to separate farms to live.
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Falcon wrote:
The dogs are just trying to figure out which one is the alpha dog. You can tell the new Lab to kick rocks and while petting...
The dogs are just trying to figure out which one is the alpha dog. You can tell the new Lab to kick rocks and while petting the old one and he'll figure it out eventually.
Yup, an you'll have to be very consistent about how gets the attention first, who gets fed first...
You have to let the beta dog know who you recognize as the alpha.
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TeamGreen 6/9/2022 5:53pm
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
We got a shock collar for a wild ass male Kellie puppy. He wouldn't listen for shit. I'd smack him around to show him who's boss...
We got a shock collar for a wild ass male Kellie puppy. He wouldn't listen for shit.
I'd smack him around to show him who's boss, and nothing.
Put that collar on him, and had him walking the straight and narrow.
The only problem was, my border collie healer mix bitch decided she didn't like it on him, and she kept chewing if off.
I finally got him trained up the hard way.

He's the goofy one on the bird bath if anyone remembers that.
I've always had Huskies and they can be a real problem with the whole "alpha-dog" thing. I asked a friend who is an accomplished Schutzhund trainer. He recommended a training collar like the hunting crowd uses. I got the SportDOG brand Sport Hunter. I give Milo a few corrections and he gets his head straight pretty quick. I've used the collar on myself/on my arm...it's like a strong Tenz unit that you'd use for your back for muscle contraction therapy.

I'd use it on the Lab. Heck, I've seen it on labs more than any other breed! Grinning
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Matt Fisher 6/10/2022 7:11pm
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When you pull on a collar for correction, pull up more than back. Dogs will by nature push against a force, so pulling up makes that difficult for them, and the choking effect is more pronounced. Bonus if the collar is close to the jawline instead of the lower neck/chest area.
With the correction collars and shock collars, don't use them too early. If the dog is sizing up another one, hitting the zapper can send them into a fight. Wait until they start actually going toward the other dog with aggression, then light em' up.
Also, if both dogs don't recognize you as the pack leader, you're going to have a much harder time getting them in line.
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MXant15 6/11/2022 12:21pm
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Boerbols are wayyy too big, strong, and stubborn. I nearly got one but settled on a cane corso to help defend the castle when I’m not home. Full grown male Boerbols can be 200+ lbs dogs, and add a strong dominant trait to that and you have your hands full. Your Old man is 11 years old and now you’re trying to introduce another male dog into HIS family. I’d get used to having them separate. Probably not what you’re looking for but for the sake of each dogs health it’s probably your best/easiest option.
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Vet57 6/12/2022 3:55am
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TeamGreen wrote:
I've always had Huskies and they can be a real problem with the whole "alpha-dog" thing. I asked a friend who is an accomplished Schutzhund trainer...
I've always had Huskies and they can be a real problem with the whole "alpha-dog" thing. I asked a friend who is an accomplished Schutzhund trainer. He recommended a training collar like the hunting crowd uses. I got the SportDOG brand Sport Hunter. I give Milo a few corrections and he gets his head straight pretty quick. I've used the collar on myself/on my arm...it's like a strong Tenz unit that you'd use for your back for muscle contraction therapy.

I'd use it on the Lab. Heck, I've seen it on labs more than any other breed! Grinning
Thanks for info, I'll be purchasing one of these as I have a stubborn hound! Lol

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