Safety improvements to work on in SX/MX

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Johnny Ringo 12/2/2020 8:43am
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Viewsonic wrote:
"Not sure how many times I saw Vernon Davis getting ruined" is not enjoying it? Who forced you to watch "how many times"? So now you...
"Not sure how many times I saw Vernon Davis getting ruined" is not enjoying it? Who forced you to watch "how many times"? So now you state our sport's promoters want big hit highlight reels to ape other successful sports, but to do it safely? What exactly is your point, is that it? Are you stating they didn't show Roczen's bone crushing wreck over and over again during televised races, did you watch that "how many times"? We would fast forward through it, it was ghoulish.
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You're doing a fantastic troll job, so I cant believe I'm replying; but, your original argument was that no other sport shows bad impacts and injuries...
You're doing a fantastic troll job, so I cant believe I'm replying; but, your original argument was that no other sport shows bad impacts and injuries, which is wrong. And then you said that the NFL highlights athleticism and moto promoters do not. Using your example of Christian Craig, multiple times on the broadcast they have shown his current heart rate and talked about his athleticism. Highlighting how in shape and athletic these guys are is definitely going on.

Now that Johnny Ringo Motodave15 have proven you wrong, you change your argument to 'You enjoy that in other sports which means I'm right'. Which, frankly, doesn't make sense. Unless you're just trying to have a narrow view about your own statements about moto being the only dangerous sport with injuries that people talk about while ignoring that you are using the counter-argument that disproves that.

I don't think anyone wants to see anyone else get hurt. Many sports have an inherent danger, not just moto. When a star is knocked out from any sport, you will see the media cover it. Your entire argument is flawed. Have you ever heard a single story about Jessy Nelson's crash on the broadcasts? How about Killian Auberson or Tevin Tapia? They were hurt much worse than Roczen, but the promoters aren't using it to 'sell butts in the seats'.

Yes, fantastic troll job.
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My original argument was not that no other sport shows bad impacts, it was that mx/sx is much more pronounced in it than other sports, I...
My original argument was not that no other sport shows bad impacts, it was that mx/sx is much more pronounced in it than other sports, I genuinely can't think of another sport it is more pronounced . Not trying to troll, I've yet to be convinced that the promoters do not promote the dangerousness of the sport, I see it as obvious. Rather than name calling, and just saying I'm incorrect, state what the promoters have done to push track safety in recent years. Where have they been proactive in safety?
Nets, hats off devices, reducing use of lime in soil, and I’ve seen more red flags thrown in the last 10 years than the previous 30 combined.

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Viewsonic wrote:
"Not sure how many times I saw Vernon Davis getting ruined" is not enjoying it? Who forced you to watch "how many times"? So now you...
"Not sure how many times I saw Vernon Davis getting ruined" is not enjoying it? Who forced you to watch "how many times"? So now you state our sport's promoters want big hit highlight reels to ape other successful sports, but to do it safely? What exactly is your point, is that it? Are you stating they didn't show Roczen's bone crushing wreck over and over again during televised races, did you watch that "how many times"? We would fast forward through it, it was ghoulish.
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You're doing a fantastic troll job, so I cant believe I'm replying; but, your original argument was that no other sport shows bad impacts and injuries...
You're doing a fantastic troll job, so I cant believe I'm replying; but, your original argument was that no other sport shows bad impacts and injuries, which is wrong. And then you said that the NFL highlights athleticism and moto promoters do not. Using your example of Christian Craig, multiple times on the broadcast they have shown his current heart rate and talked about his athleticism. Highlighting how in shape and athletic these guys are is definitely going on.

Now that Johnny Ringo Motodave15 have proven you wrong, you change your argument to 'You enjoy that in other sports which means I'm right'. Which, frankly, doesn't make sense. Unless you're just trying to have a narrow view about your own statements about moto being the only dangerous sport with injuries that people talk about while ignoring that you are using the counter-argument that disproves that.

I don't think anyone wants to see anyone else get hurt. Many sports have an inherent danger, not just moto. When a star is knocked out from any sport, you will see the media cover it. Your entire argument is flawed. Have you ever heard a single story about Jessy Nelson's crash on the broadcasts? How about Killian Auberson or Tevin Tapia? They were hurt much worse than Roczen, but the promoters aren't using it to 'sell butts in the seats'.

Yes, fantastic troll job.
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My original argument was not that no other sport shows bad impacts, it was that mx/sx is much more pronounced in it than other sports, I...
My original argument was not that no other sport shows bad impacts, it was that mx/sx is much more pronounced in it than other sports, I genuinely can't think of another sport it is more pronounced . Not trying to troll, I've yet to be convinced that the promoters do not promote the dangerousness of the sport, I see it as obvious. Rather than name calling, and just saying I'm incorrect, state what the promoters have done to push track safety in recent years. Where have they been proactive in safety?
Sorry for coming in so hot, you do appear genuine. The term 'track promoters' is wide spread, but I think you are referring specifically to supercross since you brought up Roczen's crash and the Ferrandis/Craig incident. In recent years they have implemented the red light system on bigger jumps, and most importantly the nets, which have saved a few riders (like Baggett). They also now have mandatory helmet rules for track side workers, which increases safety in the overall event. They also stopped putting boats and other large objects after Carmichael close call (but now I am getting more than just recent years).

Also they added lanes around triples and large jumps so riders who end up having to roll them can safely exit and reenter without getting landed on, like Barcia in 2018, and many others that prompted thus change.

The point of this thread is to find more areas that can be improved for safety purposes. There is always room for improvement, and I think the promoters and people in charge make active improvements where they can. My opinion (that nobody asked for) is more nets and slower speeds manufactured in some way.
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Viewsonic 12/2/2020 10:01am
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Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger of the sport? I really don't think I can be convinced they don't. The purse is a good example of how much they care for the riders as well. I never even thought of the netting, or perhaps the increased penalties for rough riding, but I am afraid the promoters do cater to ghoulish fans every bit as much as they do to real race fans.
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Johnny Ringo 12/2/2020 10:08am
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Viewsonic wrote:
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger...
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger of the sport? I really don't think I can be convinced they don't. The purse is a good example of how much they care for the riders as well. I never even thought of the netting, or perhaps the increased penalties for rough riding, but I am afraid the promoters do cater to ghoulish fans every bit as much as they do to real race fans.
Ok answer this, what does them playing Ken crash on the broadcast have to do with the actual safety of the sport? Will them not replaying a crash make the sport safer? If so, how?

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EngIceDave 12/2/2020 10:37am
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How does more money make them safer?
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Viewsonic 12/2/2020 10:45am
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Viewsonic wrote:
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger...
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger of the sport? I really don't think I can be convinced they don't. The purse is a good example of how much they care for the riders as well. I never even thought of the netting, or perhaps the increased penalties for rough riding, but I am afraid the promoters do cater to ghoulish fans every bit as much as they do to real race fans.
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Ok answer this, what does them playing Ken crash on the broadcast have to do with the actual safety of the sport? Will them not replaying...
Ok answer this, what does them playing Ken crash on the broadcast have to do with the actual safety of the sport? Will them not replaying a crash make the sport safer? If so, how?
Perhaps you have a point, showing his crash over and over may stress how safety should be paramount. Or it could cause parents to think they would never let their own kids have a motorcycle as well, or enforce the whole "daredevil" stereotype, among other negatives. It seems to me exploitive, rather than a forewarning. As I said you may be right, but I think things like that are shown just to hype and draw in to the casual fan.
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Viewsonic 12/2/2020 10:51am
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How does more money make them safer?
The purse was an example of how little regard there is for the riders in the sport, not the safety aspect. I believe I have given some pretty good examples already of how and why the promoters deal in the danger of the sport and exploit it. Do you really feel SX/MX promoters do not exploit the dangers of the sport? Do you really believe they don't use the dangers of the sport to draw in casual fans, increase TV viewership, etc., honest question? Johny Ringo, USA and others is this what you really think?
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Viewsonic wrote:
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger...
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger of the sport? I really don't think I can be convinced they don't. The purse is a good example of how much they care for the riders as well. I never even thought of the netting, or perhaps the increased penalties for rough riding, but I am afraid the promoters do cater to ghoulish fans every bit as much as they do to real race fans.
I get that you don't like something, but you're not really making sense. There are entire sports built on hurting each other (boxing, MMA), even other action sports like skateboarding or Downhill MTB show the dangers of what can happen, often. Moto is not the only only one showing bad impacts.

It sounds like you are just disgusted at human nature and that is fine. Blaming moto and the promoters for catering to 'ghoulish fans' is just off the mark, they aren't actively trying to make it more dangerous or hurt more people. In fact I think it's disgusting that serious injuries are swept under the rug like that person never existed. To each their own.
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Viewsonic 12/2/2020 11:39am
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Viewsonic wrote:
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger...
Just checked Roczen's wreck at Anaheim has 1.4 million YouTube views, Doug Henry's Budds Creek has half a million. Do the promoters trade on the danger of the sport? I really don't think I can be convinced they don't. The purse is a good example of how much they care for the riders as well. I never even thought of the netting, or perhaps the increased penalties for rough riding, but I am afraid the promoters do cater to ghoulish fans every bit as much as they do to real race fans.
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I get that you don't like something, but you're not really making sense. There are entire sports built on hurting each other (boxing, MMA), even other...
I get that you don't like something, but you're not really making sense. There are entire sports built on hurting each other (boxing, MMA), even other action sports like skateboarding or Downhill MTB show the dangers of what can happen, often. Moto is not the only only one showing bad impacts.

It sounds like you are just disgusted at human nature and that is fine. Blaming moto and the promoters for catering to 'ghoulish fans' is just off the mark, they aren't actively trying to make it more dangerous or hurt more people. In fact I think it's disgusting that serious injuries are swept under the rug like that person never existed. To each their own.
Perhaps they are not doing anything to make it more dangerous, but the OP wanted to know what could be done to make things LESS dangerous. And with 1.4 million hits on YouTube to see just the moment of Roczen's Anaheim accident as evidence, I don't know how interested promoters are of making it less dangerous. As far as me being disgusted with human nature or not liking something, I don't know if that analysis is necessary to the conversation, but your point of the popularity of Boxing, MMA etc., show you agree with me to an extent. As you said, Moto is not the only one showing bad impacts, of course they trade in carnage. Not just that, but it is a big selling point.
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