Patella Cup?

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The patella cup on the Cti is why I'd rather run the off the shelf Asterisk brace versus a custom made brace.
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who the fuck doesn't wear kneecups/plastic covers for the knees nowadays?
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who the fuck doesn't wear kneecups/plastic covers for the knees nowadays?
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Back to the original question: Was Mike wearing a patella cup when this happened?

The question is not critical. It's always the same question when an injury occurs: did the protective gear work/fail?

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huck wrote:
I don't like the restriction of a condom, but sometimes it's worth it! BTW...I bet that Mike would rather be restricted with some knee cups...than be...
I don't like the restriction of a condom, but sometimes it's worth it!


BTW...I bet that Mike would rather be restricted with some knee cups...than be restricted with crutches...
jmar wrote:
For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use...

For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use them.

Again, how many knee injuries at this level are impact related? I am not talking about the average Joe week end rider. They are more likely to bang a knee up from impact but it's very rare for a pro to damage his knee from impact.
denny360 wrote:
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few...
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few riders like KW just wear knee cups and no braces, but most wear both.

I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive? LOL If they already have a knee brace locked to their leg. having the cup part is the least of being restrictive. i appreciate your attempt, but Im going to have to say youre way off.

I have been out of the loop since 05 but before that I would say that 90% of the riders didn't use the knee cups on their braces. I really doubt that big improvements have been made in todays knee cups. I don't know if CTI still goes to the races or not but Tom Carson use to be on hand to supply the parts and make the needed repairs to the riders braces. He would always have a pile of braces on the truck being repaired and most had no knee cups.


BTW: My kid wore CTIs from the time he was thirteen until he retired at age 24. He's had three ACL replacements while he was racing and a fourth replacement from the 05 season that was done after he retired. Out of all of those years other than the occasional bump that make the knee sore he has never had a bad impact injury to the knee.

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CamP:
How did you mount that up?
It looks like a cut hip pad that's just zip tied on the bottom.
I"ve been wanting to do something like that myself.
It amazes me that the most costly brace on the market has the cheapest cap setup.
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huck wrote:
I don't like the restriction of a condom, but sometimes it's worth it! BTW...I bet that Mike would rather be restricted with some knee cups...than be...
I don't like the restriction of a condom, but sometimes it's worth it!


BTW...I bet that Mike would rather be restricted with some knee cups...than be restricted with crutches...
jmar wrote:
For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use...

For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use them.

Again, how many knee injuries at this level are impact related? I am not talking about the average Joe week end rider. They are more likely to bang a knee up from impact but it's very rare for a pro to damage his knee from impact.
denny360 wrote:
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few...
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few riders like KW just wear knee cups and no braces, but most wear both.

I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive? LOL If they already have a knee brace locked to their leg. having the cup part is the least of being restrictive. i appreciate your attempt, but Im going to have to say youre way off.

I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?

Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup it's less bulk.

Did you wear braces?
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-eagle- wrote:
I'd take my chances on tibs/fibs over doing a rebuild on a knee again.
And knee braces without patella cups is like wearing a fishnet condom.
mxmat813 wrote:
I agree, I had part of my meniscus removed in February and it sucks. I think Dr. Marks argument was that a tib/fib break could be...
I agree, I had part of my meniscus removed in February and it sucks. I think Dr. Marks argument was that a tib/fib break could be deadly if it cuts thru an artery. Either way, it's over on thumpertalk if anyone feels like digging it up and reading it (except jmar, since he's known it for years).
Don't forget about the Femur.

I know a kid who broke both legs in the same wreck. TIb/Fib on one side, femur on the other all above or below his braces. His Orthopedic surgeon who specializes in putting indy car drivers legs back together didn't have a lot of kind things to say about knee braces.

Of course this argument has been played out.

I think pro's by and large do not protect themselves for the crash as they should but then again its not me doing 30 + 2 in 95 degree heat.
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Racer92 wrote:
Does Mikey wear braces with a patella cup? [img]https://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/asterisk-cell-knee-brace.jpg[/img]
Does Mikey wear braces with a patella cup?

In the works still....... Hold tight
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jmar wrote:
[b]I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?[/b] Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup...
I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?

Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup it's less bulk.

Did you wear braces?
The newer race pants have plenty of room for my Asterisk braces. No restriction at all.
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Jammin' Jim Weinert had his knee busted by roost way back there. Of course he taped it up, went racing and still took the title that year I believe. Just sayin' not compairing.
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Also, didn't Bradshaw get knocked out of a 125 national title by a busted knee cap?
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Racer92 wrote:
The newer race pants have plenty of room for my Asterisk braces. No restriction at all.
Not if you have long legs. I'm still wearing 07 Fly pants because all the manufacturers, including Fly, have decreased the size of the knee box lately. This puts my braced knees in a real bind.
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CamP wrote:
The Knee cups on the CTi2 are too short and leave the kneecap vulnerable when the leg is bent so I added additional padding to the...
The Knee cups on the CTi2 are too short and leave the kneecap vulnerable when the leg is bent so I added additional padding to the top of the existing patella cup. Even with this additional padding, I banged my kneecap pretty bad while practicing last week. I was glad I had the extra padding when I needed it.



I believe the CTI braces are what Alessi runs, not sure if he does nowadays but I remeber an add a couple years ago when he was still on KTM of him holdin his custom flame graphics CTI knee braces.
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6/9/2009 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:19am
Ain't no dixie cup or coffee mug, and you certainly don't wanna be drinkin' nuthin' out of it...




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-eagle- wrote:
CamP: How did you mount that up? It looks like a cut hip pad that's just zip tied on the bottom. I"ve been wanting to do...
CamP:
How did you mount that up?
It looks like a cut hip pad that's just zip tied on the bottom.
I"ve been wanting to do something like that myself.
It amazes me that the most costly brace on the market has the cheapest cap setup.
Yes, I cut a hip pad and zip tied it in on the sides. Here's a close up. Right click and hit "view image" for a full size image.

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jmar wrote:
[b]I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?[/b] Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup...
I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?

Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup it's less bulk.

Did you wear braces?
Racer92 wrote:
The newer race pants have plenty of room for my Asterisk braces. No restriction at all.
Like I said, it's been since 05. At the time my son was lucky if he could get three or four rides out of a pair of pants before the braces started eating a hole into the riding pants.
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jmar wrote:
For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use...

For all anyone knows Mike used the knee cups. I am not saying that knee pads are bad; I am just saying most pros don't use them.

Again, how many knee injuries at this level are impact related? I am not talking about the average Joe week end rider. They are more likely to bang a knee up from impact but it's very rare for a pro to damage his knee from impact.
denny360 wrote:
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few...
JMar I think you are wrong. If any pro rider is using a knee brace, they are using the knee cup along with is. A few riders like KW just wear knee cups and no braces, but most wear both.

I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive? LOL If they already have a knee brace locked to their leg. having the cup part is the least of being restrictive. i appreciate your attempt, but Im going to have to say youre way off.

jmar wrote:
[b]I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?[/b] Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup...
I mean seriously, how in the World are knee cups restrictive?

Braces can make the riding pants very tight around the knee area. Without the cup it's less bulk.

Did you wear braces?
No I never did wear braces, only knee cups that either came with the pants back in the day or a standard set of Thor ones they sent. But I have banged my handlebars / levers off my knees NUMEROUS times in corners that the cups saved my knees on and take one trip over the handlebars and you inevitably land on your knees, so I still find it very hard to believe that these guys are not wearing the cups.

But Ill be at Mt Morris this weekend and Ill ask Tom and some of the riders what they use. Im not trying to prove you wrong but Im honestly interested in knowing wtf these guys are thinking if theyre NOT using knee cups. You dont have to crash to break a knee and I really cant see them being considered bulky like a chest protector. So stay tuned. We'll see that they say.

GuyB? LOL
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6/9/2009 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2009 12:37pm
I will not swing a leg over my bike without my Asterisk's on. Banged my knee's a few times on the underside of the bars bouncing out of big ruts. One time even dislocated the cap portion, was very happy to have had them on.
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Thanks.
I guess there is no need for top mounts because your pants will hold them in place?
Gonna do something like this soon, i appreciate it.
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-eagle- wrote:
Thanks. I guess there is no need for top mounts because your pants will hold them in place? Gonna do something like this soon, i appreciate...
Thanks.
I guess there is no need for top mounts because your pants will hold them in place?
Gonna do something like this soon, i appreciate it.
Yes, they stay in place and haven't noticed any additional interference.
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CamP wrote:
The Knee cups on the CTi2 are too short and leave the kneecap vulnerable when the leg is bent so I added additional padding to the...
The Knee cups on the CTi2 are too short and leave the kneecap vulnerable when the leg is bent so I added additional padding to the top of the existing patella cup. Even with this additional padding, I banged my kneecap pretty bad while practicing last week. I was glad I had the extra padding when I needed it.



I believe the CTI braces are what Alessi runs, not sure if he does nowadays but I remeber an add a couple years ago when he...
I believe the CTI braces are what Alessi runs, not sure if he does nowadays but I remeber an add a couple years ago when he was still on KTM of him holdin his custom flame graphics CTI knee braces.
800 wears CTi's with patella cups.
6/9/2009 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:19am
Jim Martin,

the harley comment was a simple comparison on how stupid some people can be. perhaps the AMA or Asterisk can give you statistics on Pro rider injuries, i can't. every AMA Pro that i have known wore knee pads of knee braces with cups. in 35 years, i have never raced without wearing knee pads. but my knee pads have had strange looking dents in them from some kind of impact from something, so i think i'll continue to wear them. injuries are part of motocross, some of us just fall off more often.

here is one i found from a quick search:

Spokane, Wash. (February 19, 2009)– MotoConcepts Racing (MCRMX) has lost 450 team rider Cole Siebler until the start of the Outdoor Motocross season with a knee injury. Siebler broke his knee cap during practice at Anaheim 3 and had successful knee surgery this past Monday to repair the damage.

Mike Lambert




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jtomasik wrote:
Ain't no dixie cup or coffee mug, and you certainly don't wanna be drinkin' nuthin' out of it...




"my hemet, and my shoulder- ma- pads". I remember when I saw this when I was about 13. Still funny shit, at least to me.

And back on topic. I have raced/ridden since '85 and never worn knee braces or pads. Never had knee surgery either.
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6/9/2009 6:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:19am
Jim Martin, the harley comment was a simple comparison on how stupid some people can be. perhaps the AMA or Asterisk can give you statistics on...
Jim Martin,

the harley comment was a simple comparison on how stupid some people can be. perhaps the AMA or Asterisk can give you statistics on Pro rider injuries, i can't. every AMA Pro that i have known wore knee pads of knee braces with cups. in 35 years, i have never raced without wearing knee pads. but my knee pads have had strange looking dents in them from some kind of impact from something, so i think i'll continue to wear them. injuries are part of motocross, some of us just fall off more often.

here is one i found from a quick search:

Spokane, Wash. (February 19, 2009)– MotoConcepts Racing (MCRMX) has lost 450 team rider Cole Siebler until the start of the Outdoor Motocross season with a knee injury. Siebler broke his knee cap during practice at Anaheim 3 and had successful knee surgery this past Monday to repair the damage.

Mike Lambert




Hey Mike,


I am guessing that you know who I am just as I know who you are. You know most of these kids just as I do. You've seen most of these guys in you're pits getting geared up for battle.


How many used knee braces with out the cups?


Not saying it's a good deal, just saying that when I was involved at this level most didn't wear the cups.


Hope you Pam and you're family are doing well.
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Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd like to wear all the protection I can get. :|
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Motorz wrote:
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'd like to wear all the protection I can get. :|
You're not paranoid, you're smart.
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txmxer wrote:
Back to the original question: Was Mike wearing a patella cup when this happened? The question is not critical. It's always the same question when an...
Back to the original question: Was Mike wearing a patella cup when this happened?

The question is not critical. It's always the same question when an injury occurs: did the protective gear work/fail?
Even if he was wearing them and still got hurt, that does not mean the protective gear "failed". Imagine how bad the injury would have been without a knee cup?

If a guy gets a concussion while wearing a Bell helmet, it doesn't mean the helmet failed. It means he hit his head really, really hard. If had not been wearing the Bell, he'd be dead or a vegetable (most likely a tomato).
6/10/2009 6:27am
jim,

we are doing fine. pam is not with arenacross anymore, she has moved over to monster trucks. brook is at alabama getting his Phd. he wore a CTI with the cup after knee surgery when he was 14, but went back to knee pads when he turned Pro. everyone has a different viewpoint on kneepads, braces and knee protection. i never wore shoulder pads until i broke that first collarbone. got three more even with pads. the riders that don't wear any knee protection should let someone hit them in the knee with a hammer and we can take a poll.

tell jake we said hello.

mike and pam
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6/10/2009 7:15am
Good for Brook that sounds great.

I agree with you the riders should wear all protection available but the point I was making is that they don't.

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