PED's and the MX Media

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2/24/2009 3:43pm Edited Date/Time 2/24/2009 3:45pm
drmarkr wrote:
Nope....just a shitload of caffeine in all the Diet Mt Dew I drink. If there was a search feature, or you had/have been a member at...
Nope....just a shitload of caffeine in all the Diet Mt Dew I drink.

If there was a search feature, or you had/have been a member at the club for more that a few years, you'll know that I've been a huge supporter of testing. "Don't ask, don't tell, don't look" is a bunch of bullshit....
You're getting your wish. They are doing random testing. That's why I guess I'm scratching my head and trying to figure out what the fuss is about.


I'm wondering if some of you missed this one?

http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981
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Anyone who is willing to risk heart disease, cancer, mental instability and other sever side effekts in order to go faster on a dirtbike is a moron. Just the other day a 26 year old polish track and field athlete (girl) died from a blood clog in her heart or something, I hope it was worth it...
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WGAF?
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2/24/2009 3:59pm
J.F.S wrote:
Anyone who is willing to risk heart disease, cancer, mental instability and other sever side effekts in order to go faster on a dirtbike is a...
Anyone who is willing to risk heart disease, cancer, mental instability and other sever side effekts in order to go faster on a dirtbike is a moron. Just the other day a 26 year old polish track and field athlete (girl) died from a blood clog in her heart or something, I hope it was worth it...
I'd guess those aren't the things athletes think about.

My guess would be that it's the wins...and the prestige, money, women and cars that come with it.

In a past life, I worked at Specialized Bicycles, and shot a lot of photos with their World Cup mountain bike team. One of the riders they had on the roster while I was there was Filip Meirhage, a really cool and fun-loving Belgian guy who also happened to be an absolute animal on two wheels. Some years after I left there, he won a World Championship title, and some time after that, he was busted for PEDs. It was sad to hear.

I don't remember the exact quotes, but he was having trouble getting back into shape for a season, and was a few steps behind...and that's when he got started using them.

I know people that are sure that they're being used in our sport. If so, I hope they figure out that it's not worth getting busted and dealing with the shame that'll be heaped on them. I've seen it before. It's not pretty.

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drmarkr wrote:
Nope....just a shitload of caffeine in all the Diet Mt Dew I drink. If there was a search feature, or you had/have been a member at...
Nope....just a shitload of caffeine in all the Diet Mt Dew I drink.

If there was a search feature, or you had/have been a member at the club for more that a few years, you'll know that I've been a huge supporter of testing. "Don't ask, don't tell, don't look" is a bunch of bullshit....
GuyB wrote:
You're getting your wish. They are doing random testing. That's why I guess I'm scratching my head and trying to figure out what the fuss is...
You're getting your wish. They are doing random testing. That's why I guess I'm scratching my head and trying to figure out what the fuss is about.


I'm wondering if some of you missed this one?

http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981
I thought the only testing was WADA for FIM events, no?? AMA doesn't have a program yet....?
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I believe the AMA can test riders in either classes...and plan to.
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unlike armstrong, who wouldn't have won a fucking thing if not for the juice, the finishing positions of mx/sx would not change. dee dee deeee
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BobbyM wrote:
unlike armstrong, who wouldn't have won a fucking thing if not for the juice, the finishing positions of mx/sx would not change. dee dee deeee
without HGH a lot of riders would be on the sidelines nursing injuries. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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2/24/2009 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 2/24/2009 6:35pm
BobbyM wrote:
unlike armstrong, who wouldn't have won a fucking thing if not for the juice, the finishing positions of mx/sx would not change. dee dee deeee
straight^ wrote:
without HGH a lot of riders would be on the sidelines nursing injuries. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
who knows ringer....who knows (thank yer cuz for that out)?
2/24/2009 6:53pm
The performance hindering drugs offset the PEDs.
2/24/2009 7:16pm
There are many variables to consider. First would be possible loss of advertising revenue for directly calling out a rider. But just as important, most media...
There are many variables to consider.

First would be possible loss of advertising revenue for directly calling out a rider.

But just as important, most media would need to have something in writing to be able to prove any accusatory statement in the event a rider/their sponsors sued a publication for defamation, liable, etc based on their loss of revenue due to such statements. Good luck getting that in writing, with exception to the actual test results.

And then the other concern would be rider/team trust issues with calling someone out.

Just sayin.
Dean wrote:
bullshit and more bullshit who said anything about accusing anybody? I know athletes are considered pieces of equipment, but does literally nobody care what these young...
bullshit and more bullshit

who said anything about accusing anybody?


I know athletes are considered pieces of equipment, but does literally nobody care what these young men are putting in their body?
Dean,

Very well put. That is how it will and would be viewed. And yes there are those that see riders as more than just equipment.
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J.F.S wrote:
Anyone who is willing to risk heart disease, cancer, mental instability and other sever side effekts in order to go faster on a dirtbike is a...
Anyone who is willing to risk heart disease, cancer, mental instability and other sever side effekts in order to go faster on a dirtbike is a moron. Just the other day a 26 year old polish track and field athlete (girl) died from a blood clog in her heart or something, I hope it was worth it...
GuyB wrote:
I'd guess those aren't the things athletes think about. My guess would be that it's the wins...and the prestige, money, women and cars that come with...
I'd guess those aren't the things athletes think about.

My guess would be that it's the wins...and the prestige, money, women and cars that come with it.

In a past life, I worked at Specialized Bicycles, and shot a lot of photos with their World Cup mountain bike team. One of the riders they had on the roster while I was there was Filip Meirhage, a really cool and fun-loving Belgian guy who also happened to be an absolute animal on two wheels. Some years after I left there, he won a World Championship title, and some time after that, he was busted for PEDs. It was sad to hear.

I don't remember the exact quotes, but he was having trouble getting back into shape for a season, and was a few steps behind...and that's when he got started using them.

I know people that are sure that they're being used in our sport. If so, I hope they figure out that it's not worth getting busted and dealing with the shame that'll be heaped on them. I've seen it before. It's not pretty.
that's exactly my point GuyB, the riders are going to do anything and everything under the sun to gain an advantage.

And if what you say is true about the AMA testing, I think that's great, but I have zero confidence they will get it right.

My whole point is, it is MX's dirty little secret and it needs to come out of the closet. There's no disinfectant like a little sunlight.
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maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over zeolous parent would not think twice if it would make his kid get up 2 positions at the finish.
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2/25/2009 6:52am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2009 7:04am
BobbyM wrote:
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over...
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over zeolous parent would not think twice if it would make his kid get up 2 positions at the finish.
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BobbyM wrote:
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over...
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over zeolous parent would not think twice if it would make his kid get up 2 positions at the finish.
This is precisely why we should do this.

In pro cycling, PED's are a part of the package if you want to compete at the top. Why the fuck should those coming through the amateur ranks of our sport, that DON'T want to use them, wind up at a disadvantage to those that do?? At some point, rules have to be made and enforced.

Hell, we don't let people run 300cc bikes against 250's and then turn around and say "testing for displacement will just become a big bag of worms.....we don't need it." And yet, that's the mantra of many on the no-testing side of this issue. WTF?
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I Just had an ingenious idea in class... we should allow the ped's here is my reason... the whoops could be 10ft deep,since they would be stronger and able to hang on. that would be spectacular..i vote for peds now. get them stated youngSilly
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nah...he was clean as a driven snow. you bet....afuckingmazing.
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2/25/2009 11:51am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2009 12:23pm
gimme a break bob. the guy only has one testicle, and he still produces more testosterone than the entire 20 man starting gate at Phoenix with the fine-ass twins shakin their money makers
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2/25/2009 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:39pm
BobbyM wrote:
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over...
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over zeolous parent would not think twice if it would make his kid get up 2 positions at the finish.
MAYBE???
OF COURSE!!!!

This crap's been swept under the carpet for way too long, and nobody's gonna pay but the kids. It's disgusting.
In a sport full of republican drug war lovers and Christian do-gooders who preach from the podium after buying into their trackside Chapel dogma, I'm constantly amazed at how big the blind eye actually is!
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drug tests are always one step behind the smart guys....that is a fact.
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BobbyM wrote:
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over...
maybe yer right...we should do it for the "children"...seriously. because all the am rider kids coming up may start juicing too. kids on peds...great. an over zeolous parent would not think twice if it would make his kid get up 2 positions at the finish.
straight^ wrote:
MAYBE??? OF COURSE!!!! This crap's been swept under the carpet for way too long, and nobody's gonna pay but the kids. It's disgusting. In a sport...
MAYBE???
OF COURSE!!!!

This crap's been swept under the carpet for way too long, and nobody's gonna pay but the kids. It's disgusting.
In a sport full of republican drug war lovers and Christian do-gooders who preach from the podium after buying into their trackside Chapel dogma, I'm constantly amazed at how big the blind eye actually is!
Funny, I never heard any preaching from the podium. And Republican drug war? What is that?
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Until they actually catch someone , How can they change anything ?
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2/25/2009 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2009 2:02pm
I went back and looked at the topic title here, and just for the record...

After looking at the crowd around the podium, and I think I can say with confidence that no media guys are using performance-enhancing drugs.
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BobbyM wrote:
drug tests are always one step behind the smart guys....that is a fact.
DIng, ding, ding! Winner!!
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drmarkr wrote:
This is precisely why we should do this. In pro cycling, PED's are a part of the package if you want to compete at the top...
This is precisely why we should do this.

In pro cycling, PED's are a part of the package if you want to compete at the top. Why the fuck should those coming through the amateur ranks of our sport, that DON'T want to use them, wind up at a disadvantage to those that do?? At some point, rules have to be made and enforced.

Hell, we don't let people run 300cc bikes against 250's and then turn around and say "testing for displacement will just become a big bag of worms.....we don't need it." And yet, that's the mantra of many on the no-testing side of this issue. WTF?
Remember when we used to let people run 450cc bikes against 250cc bikes, 250cc bikes against 125cc bikes?

PEDs are not that much different than factory bikes if you think about it............
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drmarkr wrote:
This is precisely why we should do this. In pro cycling, PED's are a part of the package if you want to compete at the top...
This is precisely why we should do this.

In pro cycling, PED's are a part of the package if you want to compete at the top. Why the fuck should those coming through the amateur ranks of our sport, that DON'T want to use them, wind up at a disadvantage to those that do?? At some point, rules have to be made and enforced.

Hell, we don't let people run 300cc bikes against 250's and then turn around and say "testing for displacement will just become a big bag of worms.....we don't need it." And yet, that's the mantra of many on the no-testing side of this issue. WTF?
The Rock wrote:
Remember when we used to let people run 450cc bikes against 250cc bikes, 250cc bikes against 125cc bikes? PEDs are not that much different than factory...
Remember when we used to let people run 450cc bikes against 250cc bikes, 250cc bikes against 125cc bikes?

PEDs are not that much different than factory bikes if you think about it............
I knew someone would bring this up when I was typing those words.....but you obviously get the point. Rules exist to keep the playing field level and fair. And factory bikes don't come with side effects that risk your health, generally speaking.....
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GuyB wrote:
I went back and looked at the topic title here, and just for the record...After looking at the crowd around the podium, and I think I...
I went back and looked at the topic title here, and just for the record...

After looking at the crowd around the podium, and I think I can say with confidence that no media guys are using performance-enhancing drugs.
That is a VERY big call Gibby

doubtful at best
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Dean wrote:
follow up question- have you ever taken any PED's I'd think the old schools riders ( Hannah, Barnett, Lackey, Ward, etc) would be screaming for testing...
follow up question- have you ever taken any PED's

I'd think the old schools riders ( Hannah, Barnett, Lackey, Ward, etc) would be screaming for testing. I know I would,if I were them.
Because they would never have had a nose full

get real
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2/26/2009 5:49am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:39pm
GuyB wrote:I went back and looked at the topic title here, and just for the record...

After looking at the crowd around the podium, and I think I can say with confidence that no media guys are using performance-enhancing drugs.

Oh come on GuyB, I've seen those media guys haulin some big ass cameras and gear bags around like all they had on was their underwear (sick picture). It's obvious these media guys are suckin down something and their testing is long overdue. (wink,wink,nudge,nudge)

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