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The Ammunition Accountability Act's real story
Group tries to profit off gun control legislation
Ammo Accountability group has patents on technology used to enforce legislation they sponsor
A visit to the website Ammunition Accountability.Org -- they also run a mirror .com site -- would lead you to believe that they were a grassroots conglomeration of concerned citizens and civic leaders with an unimpressive, low-tech website.
That couldn’t be further from the truth.
The Ammunition Accountability Act and corresponding website are run by a company that developed the technology necessary to enforce the same legislation they lobby for. In other words, the founders of the Ammunition Accountability Act are pushing legislation which will have a direct and substantial financial benefit to them.
The legislation calls for each individual piece of ammunition produced to be etched or stamped with a unique serial number. This patented technology was developed by Russ Ford and his business partners Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker of Seattle, Washington.
Ford and his associates were unable to convince any ammunition manufacturers to use their technology, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state-level ammo tagging legislation.
Ostensibly Ford and company are billing this legislation as a way to stop violent crime by tracking handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition.
However, the sample text of their legislation -- provided on their website -- would outlaw the ownership of all non-tagged ammo of any caliber. Additionally, the legislation would require a state-run database to track each ammunition serial number and information on who purchased each round of ammo.
Not only does the legislation directly aim to financial benefit Ford and his business partners, but it will push most ammunition manufactures out of business, and make home reloading ammunition illegal.
Their legislation has been introduced in 18 states, however none of introduced pieces of legislation have gotten beyond committee hearings in any state. All the introduced bills died on their respective calendars when each state legislative session adjourned sine die.
Ammunition Accountability is little more than a couple of anti-gunners trying to cash in on hoplophobia.
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ammoaccountability.shtml
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The Ammunition Accountability Act e-mail a hoax - It already failed in 2008
If you own a gun, there’s one thing for sure - you are living in constant fear that Barack Obama is going to come to your house and forcibly take it away. Never mind the slew of issues that are threatening the nation, for gun owners, Barack Obama and the Democrats represent the ultimate worst-case scenario - gun-control activists with a badge.
It is with this in mind that I received an e-mail breathlessly titled “We Told You so!!” that brings up the Ammunition Accountability Act. As Snopes has yet to provide us with a handy go-to link to debunk this, I figured I’d try my hand at it.
*COPY OF EMAIL WAS HERE* (I left it out so the post didn't drag on)
First off, sorry for not fixing the format, but I’ll be damned if I’ll fix formatting on another e-mail that’s been forwarded so often it makes it impossible to decipher. Second off, some quick research showed me this - The Ammunition Accountability Act is real, but the e-mail is a hoax. All sponsored AAA Legislation came up in 2007 and 2008 and none even made it to a vote.
Here is what happened to AAA legislation in the 18 states it came up (info was either obtained via phone calls to state legislatures or use of state Web sites):
Alabama Senate Bill 541: It was indefinitely postponed in House of origin. It will not pass and would have to be reintroduced.
Arizona House Bill 2833: It never got heard in any committee. Never voted on. It would have to be reintroduced.
California Senate Bill 997: SB997 has no Info on it, and died in committee. SB1471 passed and is now known as the “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007.” It was authored by Assemblymember Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles) and was signed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. You can read the final bill here. The bill is in regard to handguns and microstamping, not ammunition. It also has no wording in it that would indicate that citizens would need to turn in their guns. It could also be rendered moot depending on the technology. It is not a part of the AAA agenda.
Connecticut Raised Bill 603: The bill was raised and had a public hearing. No action was taken. Bill would need to be re-introduced.
Hawaii House Bill 2392, Hawaii Senate Bill 2020, Hawaii Senate Bill 2076: All bills were deferred to the judiciary with no further action taken. Bill would need to be reintroduced.
Illinois House Bills 4258, 4259, 4269, 4349. Illinois Senate Bill 1095: All bills referred to Rules Committee. No other actions were taken.
Indiana House Bill 1260: Was sent to committee and not acted on again. It would need to be reintroduced.
Kentucky House Bill 715: Was withdrawn.
Maryland House Bill 517: No copy of the report. It didn’t pass. Would need to be reintroduced.
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286: Died in Committee.
Missouri Senate Bill 1200: Referred to Judiciary. Would need to be reintroduced.
New Jersey Assembly Bill 2490: Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Would need to be reintroduced.
Pennsylvania House Bill: Referred to the Judiciary on Feb. 5, 2008. No other action taken.
Rhode Island Senate Bill 2742: Committee recommended measure be held for further study. It would need to be reintroduced.
South Carolina Senate Bill 1259: Was referred to a subcommittee with no further action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Tennessee House Bill 3245, Tennessee Senate Bill 3395: Both were sent to the judiciary committee with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Washington House Bill 3359: Was referred to the Judiciary with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Ammunitionaccountability.org: This Web site was last update on Dec. 3, 2008.
Conclusion: The Ammunition Accountability Act (AAA) was introduced in 18 state legislatures in 2007 and 2008. It didn’t pass in any form nor even make it to a vote. California’s “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007″ does not involve ammunition and is not part of the AAA. While the e-mail points out that the bills are “pending,” that is false. No AAA bills are currently pending from the list the AAA Web site provided.
The AAA made little to no headway in 2007 or 2008, and there is no reason to believe it would in 2009, if it were to be reintroduced, which as of yet it hasn’t. The AAA e-mail has gained traction due to fears by gun owners that it was something new, and that Obama has a part in it somehow, which he doesn’t. While concerned gun owners could keep an eye out for future AAA bills, at this point, the issue is a non-issue. The e-mail is a politically motivated hoax.
–WKW
http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2009/01/14/the-ammunition-accountability…
and finally......Google - "Ammunition Accountability Act hoax"
Group tries to profit off gun control legislation
Ammo Accountability group has patents on technology used to enforce legislation they sponsor
A visit to the website Ammunition Accountability.Org -- they also run a mirror .com site -- would lead you to believe that they were a grassroots conglomeration of concerned citizens and civic leaders with an unimpressive, low-tech website.
That couldn’t be further from the truth.
The Ammunition Accountability Act and corresponding website are run by a company that developed the technology necessary to enforce the same legislation they lobby for. In other words, the founders of the Ammunition Accountability Act are pushing legislation which will have a direct and substantial financial benefit to them.
The legislation calls for each individual piece of ammunition produced to be etched or stamped with a unique serial number. This patented technology was developed by Russ Ford and his business partners Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker of Seattle, Washington.
Ford and his associates were unable to convince any ammunition manufacturers to use their technology, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state-level ammo tagging legislation.
Ostensibly Ford and company are billing this legislation as a way to stop violent crime by tracking handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition.
However, the sample text of their legislation -- provided on their website -- would outlaw the ownership of all non-tagged ammo of any caliber. Additionally, the legislation would require a state-run database to track each ammunition serial number and information on who purchased each round of ammo.
Not only does the legislation directly aim to financial benefit Ford and his business partners, but it will push most ammunition manufactures out of business, and make home reloading ammunition illegal.
Their legislation has been introduced in 18 states, however none of introduced pieces of legislation have gotten beyond committee hearings in any state. All the introduced bills died on their respective calendars when each state legislative session adjourned sine die.
Ammunition Accountability is little more than a couple of anti-gunners trying to cash in on hoplophobia.
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ammoaccountability.shtml
=====================================
The Ammunition Accountability Act e-mail a hoax - It already failed in 2008
If you own a gun, there’s one thing for sure - you are living in constant fear that Barack Obama is going to come to your house and forcibly take it away. Never mind the slew of issues that are threatening the nation, for gun owners, Barack Obama and the Democrats represent the ultimate worst-case scenario - gun-control activists with a badge.
It is with this in mind that I received an e-mail breathlessly titled “We Told You so!!” that brings up the Ammunition Accountability Act. As Snopes has yet to provide us with a handy go-to link to debunk this, I figured I’d try my hand at it.
*COPY OF EMAIL WAS HERE* (I left it out so the post didn't drag on)
First off, sorry for not fixing the format, but I’ll be damned if I’ll fix formatting on another e-mail that’s been forwarded so often it makes it impossible to decipher. Second off, some quick research showed me this - The Ammunition Accountability Act is real, but the e-mail is a hoax. All sponsored AAA Legislation came up in 2007 and 2008 and none even made it to a vote.
Here is what happened to AAA legislation in the 18 states it came up (info was either obtained via phone calls to state legislatures or use of state Web sites):
Alabama Senate Bill 541: It was indefinitely postponed in House of origin. It will not pass and would have to be reintroduced.
Arizona House Bill 2833: It never got heard in any committee. Never voted on. It would have to be reintroduced.
California Senate Bill 997: SB997 has no Info on it, and died in committee. SB1471 passed and is now known as the “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007.” It was authored by Assemblymember Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles) and was signed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. You can read the final bill here. The bill is in regard to handguns and microstamping, not ammunition. It also has no wording in it that would indicate that citizens would need to turn in their guns. It could also be rendered moot depending on the technology. It is not a part of the AAA agenda.
Connecticut Raised Bill 603: The bill was raised and had a public hearing. No action was taken. Bill would need to be re-introduced.
Hawaii House Bill 2392, Hawaii Senate Bill 2020, Hawaii Senate Bill 2076: All bills were deferred to the judiciary with no further action taken. Bill would need to be reintroduced.
Illinois House Bills 4258, 4259, 4269, 4349. Illinois Senate Bill 1095: All bills referred to Rules Committee. No other actions were taken.
Indiana House Bill 1260: Was sent to committee and not acted on again. It would need to be reintroduced.
Kentucky House Bill 715: Was withdrawn.
Maryland House Bill 517: No copy of the report. It didn’t pass. Would need to be reintroduced.
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286: Died in Committee.
Missouri Senate Bill 1200: Referred to Judiciary. Would need to be reintroduced.
New Jersey Assembly Bill 2490: Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Would need to be reintroduced.
Pennsylvania House Bill: Referred to the Judiciary on Feb. 5, 2008. No other action taken.
Rhode Island Senate Bill 2742: Committee recommended measure be held for further study. It would need to be reintroduced.
South Carolina Senate Bill 1259: Was referred to a subcommittee with no further action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Tennessee House Bill 3245, Tennessee Senate Bill 3395: Both were sent to the judiciary committee with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Washington House Bill 3359: Was referred to the Judiciary with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.
Ammunitionaccountability.org: This Web site was last update on Dec. 3, 2008.
Conclusion: The Ammunition Accountability Act (AAA) was introduced in 18 state legislatures in 2007 and 2008. It didn’t pass in any form nor even make it to a vote. California’s “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007″ does not involve ammunition and is not part of the AAA. While the e-mail points out that the bills are “pending,” that is false. No AAA bills are currently pending from the list the AAA Web site provided.
The AAA made little to no headway in 2007 or 2008, and there is no reason to believe it would in 2009, if it were to be reintroduced, which as of yet it hasn’t. The AAA e-mail has gained traction due to fears by gun owners that it was something new, and that Obama has a part in it somehow, which he doesn’t. While concerned gun owners could keep an eye out for future AAA bills, at this point, the issue is a non-issue. The e-mail is a politically motivated hoax.
–WKW
http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2009/01/14/the-ammunition-accountability…
and finally......Google - "Ammunition Accountability Act hoax"
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I am curious to know if enacting this or some form of this legislation would be considered an infringement upon the Second Ammendment. Hopefully, we will never have to find out. Thanks again for the nice layout on the Ammunition Act.
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