Anyone go from 65 to 150

Williamson425
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Curious if any of you have kids on the 150R. The boy is getting close to moving off the 65 sometime this year has mentioned the 150. He has seen a couple other kids around riding them. He has a bit of a lazy corner habit , thats about the only positive i can think of the 4 stroke might help him. Im just not sure about the whole 150r thing. Probably not too good for a riding area near neighborhoods either i bet.
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mxaustin816 3/31/2008 6:39pm
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[quote="Williamson425":2xmytfds]Curious if any of you have kids on the 150R. The boy is getting close to moving off the 65 sometime this year has mentioned the 150. He has seen a couple other kids around riding them. He has a bit of a lazy corner habit , thats about the only positive i can think of the 4 stroke might help him. Im just not sure about the whole 150r thing. Probably not too good for a riding area near neighborhoods either i bet.[/quote:2xmytfds]

A lazy corner habit wouldn't he learn more on an 85 then?
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CamP 3/31/2008 6:43pm
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If you are worried about noise, the dbdawg will make the bike quiet enough to ride just about anywhere and when I tested it on the dyno with my wife's 150R it had absolutely no affect on power.

There are a couple of things to make the 150R more manageable for your kid. A 9oz flywheel weight and a MRD torque header will make the bike easier to ride without slowing it down.
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[quote="Williamson425":2xkuk712]Curious if any of you have kids on the 150R. The boy is getting close to moving off the 65 sometime this year has mentioned the 150. He has seen a couple other kids around riding them. He has a bit of a lazy corner habit , thats about the only positive i can think of the 4 stroke might help him. Im just not sure about the whole 150r thing. Probably not too good for a riding area near neighborhoods either i bet.[/quote:2xkuk712]

Riding the four strokes will only make the rider faster if they "push" their talents. If he's already slow in the corners, he definitely won't get any faster riding the 150. And what class will he be able to ride in? Since the 150's aren't allowed in the 85 classes in most of the country, he'll have to move to the Super Mini classes.

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Williamson425 3/31/2008 6:52pm
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Hes not really "slow" in corners , he just likes to not down shift as much as i think he should. He will do fine on whatever he moves too i was just curious what people thought about the bike i guess.

He only races a few local tracks now and then. We do more riding/practicing than anything.

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ShoujoKakumei (MD) 3/31/2008 6:53pm
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I ride my friend's 150 occasionally and will probably buy one for myself eventually - fun bike, kind of loud (but my friend's has no silencer or any such thing on it). I can't really make any guesses about how good it is for learning good riding habits since I don't know how bad my own are, though. <img class= " title="Laughing">

It hauls my short, fat ass around, so I like it, but I'm definately not a kid so YMMV. <img class= " title="Laughing">
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[quote="Williamson425":1pr5chrb]Curious if any of you have kids on the 150R. The boy is getting close to moving off the 65 sometime this year has mentioned the 150. He has seen a couple other kids around riding them. He has a bit of a lazy corner habit , thats about the only positive i can think of the 4 stroke might help him. Im just not sure about the whole 150r thing. Probably not too good for a riding area near neighborhoods either i bet.[/quote:1pr5chrb]

Is he winning every week on the 65? if not buy him a used 85.
rockcrawlerdude 3/31/2008 7:10pm
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[quote="Larry":2lsphxpk][quote="Williamson425":2lsphxpk]Curious if any of you have kids on the 150R. The boy is getting close to moving off the 65 sometime this year has mentioned the 150. He has seen a couple other kids around riding them. He has a bit of a lazy corner habit , thats about the only positive i can think of the 4 stroke might help him. Im just not sure about the whole 150r thing. Probably not too good for a riding area near neighborhoods either i bet.[/quote:2lsphxpk]

Is he winning every week on the 65? if not buy him a used 85.[/quote:2lsphxpk]
exactly the 85 will make him a better RACER...
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Depending on where you race the 85 is your best bet. In AMA racing the 150 is only for Supermini class. If hes on a 65 still he is still a few years out.
Get him a stock 85cc bike....that will get rid of any laziness he may have <img class= " title="Laughing">
Williamson425 3/31/2008 7:18pm
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looking at prices, i can get a new 85 for what i can pick up a used 150 for. Im guessing i wont have to think to long on this one :roll:
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I bought my son a new 2007 CR85 for X-mas ,out the door for just over $2300.00 with taxes and B.S.
Williamson425 3/31/2008 7:31pm
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I havent found anything new that cheap here.
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I hate those 150's....or, correction: I hate those morons at Honda who decided to try and kill the 85 market with those 150's. The bike itsself looks like fun, but I say Honda SUCKS and has shown what a giant PC corporation they really are by fooishly dropping their 85 to kiss 4 stroke ass
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[quote="Williamson425":3evufnih]I havent found anything new that cheap here.[/quote:3evufnih]

Its not about getting a good deal, its about teaching junior how to ride.
Justme (MD) 3/31/2008 8:47pm
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The 150 is easy to ride. You won't be disappointed in the bike. The writing is on the wall. There isn't any more R&D $ going into two strokes, period. For 09 you can buy a YZ250 or a KTM 250 or your choice of 450s. How many 125s can you buy? Once Yamaha and KTM send their 150s out, supposedly 2009 or at the latest 10, the 85 is toast. There are several 150 classes in various parts of the country and that will only increase as the bike numbers increase.

It's odd everyone feared the impending EPA ban on two strokes would kill them. However, it's the market that killed them.

For a rider to be fast comfort is key. The 150 motor certainly makes a rider feel comfortable. Lots of torque and feels like it has traction control.
BobbyM (MD) 3/31/2008 8:52pm
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put him on a 500...i've seen 11 year olds ride those things.
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[quote="BobbyM":38t4ge06]put him on a 500...i've seen 11 year olds ride those things.[/quote:38t4ge06]

I rode a new 1980 KX420 on a full-on MX track when I was 10. I learned stuff in those 4 laps that have stuck with me to this day. Actually, that was the first time I was ever seriously, scared frickin' senseless. :D:D
Williamson425 4/2/2008 8:12am
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He made the decision himself. He wants an 85. Problem solved !
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Williamson425 wrote:
He made the decision himself. He wants an 85. Problem solved !
That will save you some dough.

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Justme (MD) wrote:
The 150 is easy to ride. You won't be disappointed in the bike. The writing is on the wall. There isn't any more R&D $ going...
The 150 is easy to ride. You won't be disappointed in the bike. The writing is on the wall. There isn't any more R&D $ going into two strokes, period. For 09 you can buy a YZ250 or a KTM 250 or your choice of 450s. How many 125s can you buy? Once Yamaha and KTM send their 150s out, supposedly 2009 or at the latest 10, the 85 is toast. There are several 150 classes in various parts of the country and that will only increase as the bike numbers increase.

It's odd everyone feared the impending EPA ban on two strokes would kill them. However, it's the market that killed them.

For a rider to be fast comfort is key. The 150 motor certainly makes a rider feel comfortable. Lots of torque and feels like it has traction control.
No, the AMA killed the two stroke. They gave the four stroke and unfair advantage in displacement. I think the AMA should work with a manfufacturer to make a two stroke a viable option. Example, Suzuki and the AMA. RC would ride different two strokes against the 250F and 450F. Does a 180T have similar times as a 250F? Does a YZ360 have similar times as a 450F? Then the customer has an option.

In the end, the market killed the two stroke. However, the choice was made because of a rule that gave the F an advantage.

Does anyone have a problem with kid going from a 65 to a 150? Its heavier than a 85 and a lot of bike. Buy him a YZ 85.
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The manufactures killed the 2 stroke. More money in 4 stroke parts and service.
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TerryK wrote:
The manufactures killed the 2 stroke. More money in 4 stroke parts and service.
I dont whether that is the case. The margins will higher on a two stroke due to economies of scale. One reason why four strokes are expensive is because the manufacturers are trying to recover on R&D. Bottom line.... if there was demand for two strokes, they would sell them. They helped kill the bike by putting little to nothing in R&D. Yamaha made radical changes in 2005 and gained massive market share. Why would a two stroke rider buy a new two stroke when he could get a used with the same technology for a cheaper price?

Ultimately, the AMA killed the two stroke because of the rule. Riders want an advantage and a 450 gave him advantage over 250t. This translated into market demand for the F over the T. Lastly, manufacturers would spend more money on the F and little to nothing into the T, finally killing the greatest thing since slice bread, the two stroke motorcycle.

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TerryK 4/2/2008 1:12pm
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I understand what you are saying but do the math. A top end for a grenaded 2 stroke (piston, rings, cylinder, head, gaskets) under $1000.00, plus a couple of hours labor if a shop fixes it.


Same rebuild on a 4 stroke, probably $3-3500.00 plus 4 hours labor or more.


This is not taking into account the many many more moving parts that need to be serviced or changed at regular intervals compared to a 2 stroke.


One of my best friends owns a Kawasaki / KTM shop and he admits, his income has increased a bunch since the 4 stroke deal started.

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