Finished (for now) Rm 125 enduro build!

Edited Date/Time 3/31/2016 12:05pm
So I picked up a 2002 rm 125 tonight with the plan to strip it and rebuild it from the ground up to race enduros! I thought I'd start a thread here to show the build as it progresses and bounce a few ideas around. I bought the bike with a blown bottom end so I started stripping it down as soon as I got the bike home and have it stripped to a bare frame and have the engine split already! The things a mess inside the motor so I'm currently putting a parts order together! As well as a new crank it looks like she will need a few new gears due to the usual rounded dogs! The clutch basket looks to be in real good condition surprisingly but I plan to change it for a Hinson basket as I run one in my 08 rm 125 and have been really impressed!

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1/11/2016 4:43pm
Fantastic bikes! Have an 01 in the garage. Cant wait to follow this build. Nice find!!
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I have an 03 that was one of Davi Millsaps bikes. It still has his suspension stickers on it. I had to totally go through it as somebody (person I bought it from) ran straight gas through it. It has the factory yellow wheels, the works connection glide plate and waterpump case saver welded in, as well as the factory black frame, no grey. Full PC accessories, OS front rotor, full Hinson clutch. I'm running 2 teeth added in the rear, VForce reeds, full PC exhaust, and now I've added a 5oz flywheel weight. The FWW is really a great mod, no downside. I can't notice a reduced rev up, but it reduced the stalling, and it feels like a thicker powerband. I love my little bike.

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1/12/2016 1:45pm
Well I managed to find a couple of hours to make some more progress on the bike tonight! It's now stripped to a bare frame apart from the rear master cylinder which has rounded off so I will have to drill that out tomorrow. Now I just need to decide on a colour scheme before sending the frame out to be sandblasted and powder coated. I then set about inspecting the transmission where I discovered most of the gears on the output shaft are shot! I wasn't surprised after having the same issue on my 08 bike after only 25 hours! I also found a couple of worn shift forks and some damage to the shift drum... It looks as if the bike has been stuck or forced into gear at some point! Fortunately all of the drive gears are fine but it still leaves me with a parts total of around £750 ($1000) so I need to decide on the best route to go down with this as I only plan to have the bike for 1 season before upgrading to a 250 2t. Has anyone had any luck with repairing worn dogs? On my 08 bike I replaced the gears before having the entire gearbox isf super finished which made a massive difference to the shifting of the bike. On an older bike I'm not sure if it justifies investing that much money into it. Anyone have any ideas here?
I also found some damage to the cylinder head which looks as if it's had a major blow up at some point so will have to get this over to my engine builder justin at Gibbs performance to see what he thinks and if it can be repaired when it has some porting and head work done!















1/12/2016 1:58pm
Cancerman wrote:
I have an 03 that was one of Davi Millsaps bikes. It still has his suspension stickers on it. I had to totally go through it...


I have an 03 that was one of Davi Millsaps bikes. It still has his suspension stickers on it. I had to totally go through it as somebody (person I bought it from) ran straight gas through it. It has the factory yellow wheels, the works connection glide plate and waterpump case saver welded in, as well as the factory black frame, no grey. Full PC accessories, OS front rotor, full Hinson clutch. I'm running 2 teeth added in the rear, VForce reeds, full PC exhaust, and now I've added a 5oz flywheel weight. The FWW is really a great mod, no downside. I can't notice a reduced rev up, but it reduced the stalling, and it feels like a thicker powerband. I love my little bike.

Why does this bike have oem cast clamps and regular chrome coatings if it's David millsaps old rm 125?
1/12/2016 1:59pm



Shock coatings, rg3 billit clamps etc..... millsaps factory rm 125
1/12/2016 2:01pm
Cancerman wrote:
I have an 03 that was one of Davi Millsaps bikes. It still has his suspension stickers on it. I had to totally go through it...


I have an 03 that was one of Davi Millsaps bikes. It still has his suspension stickers on it. I had to totally go through it as somebody (person I bought it from) ran straight gas through it. It has the factory yellow wheels, the works connection glide plate and waterpump case saver welded in, as well as the factory black frame, no grey. Full PC accessories, OS front rotor, full Hinson clutch. I'm running 2 teeth added in the rear, VForce reeds, full PC exhaust, and now I've added a 5oz flywheel weight. The FWW is really a great mod, no downside. I can't notice a reduced rev up, but it reduced the stalling, and it feels like a thicker powerband. I love my little bike.

That's a nice looking bike cancerman! I also have an 08 model which has a lot of work done to it! Can't get enough of these bikes! Just a shame they can't come out of the factory with a stronger gearbox! Here's my other bike which is running at a smidge over 37hp at the back wheel
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1/12/2016 2:12pm
Why does this bike have oem cast clamps and regular chrome coatings if it's David millsaps old rm 125?
Yea, I was about to say, thats just an RM125 with graphics on it
1/12/2016 2:26pm
Why does this bike have oem cast clamps and regular chrome coatings if it's David millsaps old rm 125?
moto455va wrote:
Yea, I was about to say, thats just an RM125 with graphics on it
Looks to be an older generation frame.. 01,02,03! The millsaps bike posted has the latest generation frame so maybe cancermans is one of millsaps amateur bikes?
1/12/2016 2:30pm
Davi millsaps 2003



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1/12/2016 7:25pm
Here's my 03 kx125 set up for off road and riding enduro's





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1/12/2016 11:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2016 11:37pm
Why does this bike have oem cast clamps and regular chrome coatings if it's David millsaps old rm 125?
moto455va wrote:
Yea, I was about to say, thats just an RM125 with graphics on it
psr racing wrote:
Looks to be an older generation frame.. 01,02,03! The millsaps bike posted has the latest generation frame so maybe cancermans is one of millsaps amateur bikes?
Correct, it was when he was turning pro. It might of been a practice bike. It has a RG upper clamp with rubber mounted bars. I upgraded the 7/8 bar mounts to fatbars. It was purchased from the MTF by the knucklehead that I bought it from. It has all kinds of non OEM parts on it. I could never afford to put all that stuff on a bike. I'm a Suzuki guy, I've done several RM125 and 250's. I could tell the frame was professionally setup, the glide plate, case saver, etc. The welds on those mounts look like the factory welds.Braking oversized rotor with Galfer SS line. I had Factory Connection do the shock, they said it was definitely set up by PC. The forks have the 04 springs and damping rod systems in it. Lots of cool stuff. And a full Hinsen clutch as well! Good luck with your build. I'd like to hear what you did to your other RM, and how it effected the powerband. Mine just wants to scream, mainly just top end. I may do a 144, I'm not sure yet. I'm busy with my RM500AF right now.
1/13/2016 6:25am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 6:26am
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D [img]http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k389/mattias_karlsson1/00103red_zps6yq6ut9l.jpg[/img]
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D
That is one of the mods in planning, I'm also toying with trying an rmz subframe, air box and plastics!
That's a good looking bike you have! Is that a standard motor or any tuning work?
1/13/2016 6:31am
Just a little mod I made today to the standard rear brake lever! The standard brake tip was looking a little small and a little sorry for itself so I ground down the back of the rivets and removed it, taped out the holes with an m5 tap and bolted on a Judd racing aluminium Ktm tip! Loads better than stock and a stronger lever than the cheap pattern ones from flea bay! It took less than Half an hour to do so well worth it!







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1/13/2016 8:12am
Your brake pedal mod is great, I'm a gonna do me that one.
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1/13/2016 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2016 1:52pm
psr racing wrote:
Davi millsaps 2003[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/12/119584/s1200_image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/12/119586/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Davi millsaps 2003



The top photo looks like the seat cover and graphics it had when I got the bike. Fork guard too. Plastic was trashed.
1/13/2016 2:37pm




Well tonight I set about trying to bring some life back to the dep pipe that came with the bike! I know these pipes work well with the bike so I decided to tackle the surface rust armed with a wire wheel and wet and dry it's been quite successful! I'll post some after pictures when it's complete! Also stripped the rear silencer which looks as though it's never been re packed
1/14/2016 9:29am
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D [img]http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k389/mattias_karlsson1/00103red_zps6yq6ut9l.jpg[/img]
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D
psr racing wrote:
That is one of the mods in planning, I'm also toying with trying an rmz subframe, air box and plastics! That's a good looking bike you...
That is one of the mods in planning, I'm also toying with trying an rmz subframe, air box and plastics!
That's a good looking bike you have! Is that a standard motor or any tuning work?
Engine mods actually came with the bike when I bought it, VHM Head( used a thicker basegasket to set the squish to 1mm, to prevent detonation), Vforce Reedcage, Procircuit exhaust(makes a little more overrev), jetting.

Piston change every 20 hours, Pistonring 10 hours, crank bearings and rod 50 hours..

Be sure to change these items to prevent damaging more geardogs:
25355-37F00, 09440-04003 x2, 09209-05023 x2, 25323-34201, 25324-34201.
These were the parts I changed when i replaced worn gears and a worn "Shaft, drive".. Bike is shifting 100% correctly and is super smooth.

Since you are doing a enduro build you should send away either your cylinder or your head so the bike gets more bottom end because what i´ve felt there is no power down low at all ( a shorter silencer should help a little bit with more "pop" out of the corners) Smile

1/14/2016 10:26am
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D [img]http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k389/mattias_karlsson1/00103red_zps6yq6ut9l.jpg[/img]
Cut ur sideplates like mine:D
psr racing wrote:
That is one of the mods in planning, I'm also toying with trying an rmz subframe, air box and plastics! That's a good looking bike you...
That is one of the mods in planning, I'm also toying with trying an rmz subframe, air box and plastics!
That's a good looking bike you have! Is that a standard motor or any tuning work?
Engine mods actually came with the bike when I bought it, VHM Head( used a thicker basegasket to set the squish to 1mm, to prevent detonation)...
Engine mods actually came with the bike when I bought it, VHM Head( used a thicker basegasket to set the squish to 1mm, to prevent detonation), Vforce Reedcage, Procircuit exhaust(makes a little more overrev), jetting.

Piston change every 20 hours, Pistonring 10 hours, crank bearings and rod 50 hours..

Be sure to change these items to prevent damaging more geardogs:
25355-37F00, 09440-04003 x2, 09209-05023 x2, 25323-34201, 25324-34201.
These were the parts I changed when i replaced worn gears and a worn "Shaft, drive".. Bike is shifting 100% correctly and is super smooth.

Since you are doing a enduro build you should send away either your cylinder or your head so the bike gets more bottom end because what i´ve felt there is no power down low at all ( a shorter silencer should help a little bit with more "pop" out of the corners) Smile

I replaced all of the mentioned parts on my 08 bike and plan to do the same on this bike! I already have a dep pipe and shorty silencer for the bike and have a boyesen rad valve and moose reed spacer to try! The cylinder and head will be going to my engine tuner justin at Gibbs performance over here in the UK to be reworked and I'm looking into trying a 36mm carb and a flywheel weight to make the biker better suited for rocky climbs etc! However I'm quite an aggressive rider who loves to over-Rev so I might have to adapt my riding style!

Tonight I plan to finish cleaning up the pipe and repack the silencer and I might get stuck in to the front forks!
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1/14/2016 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 5:23pm
I had a late generation rm125 that was supposedly used at Matterley Basin in the EMX125 class a few years ago, great bikes.

Although it was a funny bike, because after riding it a few times I thought it was bloody fast considering I'd just come off a ktm150 and it didn't seem that much slower, turned out the cheating barstools had been running it as a 144.
1/15/2016 4:04pm
Made a bit more progress tonight, cleaned the subframe and found a couple of repairs needed so that'll be off to my welder this weekend, while their I will also get him to fabricate a bash plate and case guards and weld mounts to the frame before powder coating! I also set about stripping the brake calipers which had seized pad mount pins! Not sure when this bike would last have had new pads because they were seized solid!! A bit of penetrating lube, heat and an impact driver and I got there in the end!! Now I have the calipers stripped I'm considering having them anodised black?? I also managed to clean all of the wiring loom ready to go back on the bike. I also found a large split in the front of the airbox so I split the airbox apart and bonded it back together!

Last night I started to blueprint the engine starting with the exhaust port and also marked out the massive mismatch between the cases and the transfer ports! When the motor is going back together I will work out the port timings and durations to see what we can do! Has anyone got any porting specs for the 02 model?

I have also stripped, cleaned and rebuilt the carb which is jetted pretty close to stock right now!






1/18/2016 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2016 5:27pm




Amongst a few other goodies that turned up today were these drc pegs! As it's an enduro bike I went with steel rather than the aluminium pegs commonly used today! I wanted some titanium raptor pegs but they don't make them for this model Sad
These pegs are the mid height pegs and are slightly wider than stock and look like they will provide plenty of traction so for £36 I just had to give them a try!
I've also spent a bit more time cleaning the Swingarm and linkage, the frame is at my engineers having a bashplate and case savers fabricated and mounts welded to the frame before it gets powder coated! I'm just torn between gloss black or the stock metallic grey!
I've also managed to strip the wheels down ready for the hubs to be powder coated! Whilst cleaning them I discovered that after leaving them soaking in autosmart Ali cleaner they turned to a trick factory looking dark grey colour... I'll post pics tomorrow but this got me thinking!!! Wink could be a good look for the engine cases!! I'm waiting for a transmission and crank to turn up before I can reassemble the motor and I've decided to change all the transmission bearings while its apart!

In my left over parts from my 08 build I have the stock top clamp with oversize bar mounts so I am trying to source an 05 onwards lower clamp so I can use the later clamps with twin walls and a 22.5mm offset for improved front end traction!

Now I just need to decide on the colour scheme and would like some input here! I was originally thinking of white plastics with a blue seat and a white and blue version of stock graphics but I'm gradually swaying towards all yellow plastics or yellow with a black back end like my 08 bike!
Being an enduro bike I think that I need more of a stock/factory look rather than an all out bling bike!
Any ideas here guys???

1/18/2016 6:31pm
The flow plastics would look sweet on a black frame, only issue is the tank wouldn't match...
1/18/2016 6:35pm
Ktm raptor ti foot pegs fit on rm 2 stroke model. Guy cooper did up an awesome suzuki rm 250 with a set of the ktm raptor ti foot pegs
1/18/2016 7:59pm
The flow plastics would look sweet on a black frame, only issue is the tank wouldn't match...
I'm running an oversized clear tank! I have considered using the flo rmz front fender and number plate as used on roczens bike but it's only available as a full rmz kit so I'd be left with rad shrouds, number plates and a rear fender that don't fit... Unless I fabricate an rmz subframe on to the bikeEvil
1/18/2016 8:00pm
Ktm raptor ti foot pegs fit on rm 2 stroke model. Guy cooper did up an awesome suzuki rm 250 with a set of the ktm...
Ktm raptor ti foot pegs fit on rm 2 stroke model. Guy cooper did up an awesome suzuki rm 250 with a set of the ktm raptor ti foot pegs
That's good to know! I rang raptor and asked the question and they were certain they wouldn't fit.. I'm guessing with a few small mods they will?
1/18/2016 8:08pm
Ktm raptor ti foot pegs fit on rm 2 stroke model. Guy cooper did up an awesome suzuki rm 250 with a set of the ktm...
Ktm raptor ti foot pegs fit on rm 2 stroke model. Guy cooper did up an awesome suzuki rm 250 with a set of the ktm raptor ti foot pegs
psr racing wrote:
That's good to know! I rang raptor and asked the question and they were certain they wouldn't fit.. I'm guessing with a few small mods they...
That's good to know! I rang raptor and asked the question and they were certain they wouldn't fit.. I'm guessing with a few small mods they will?
http://m.vitalmx.com/features/Bike-of-the-Month-Digby-Coopers-2008-RM25…

Hit up cooper and ask him what ktm model of raptor foot pegs he ran. They will work. Then let me know what model it is after you buy them because I want to buy them too haha!

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