Gnarly Texas police shooting video (very graphic)

One Last Comeback
Edited Date/Time 7/7/2015 11:30am
Wow...this cop was quick. Seems totally justified. What was this guy thinking, pulling out a pellet gun? Maybe cop cameras are a good idea, because it can obviously show what happened.

|
Uncle Tony
Profile picture for user Uncle Tony
Posts
4149
Joined
6/30/2014
Location
New York, NY US
Uncle Tony 7/3/2015 9:41am
7/3/2015 9:41am
WOW! Suicide by cop maybe? That was crazy stupid
neverwasfastenuf 7/3/2015 10:20am
7/3/2015 10:20am
The other cop's body cam is available as well. They were both on it.
IWreckALot
Profile picture for user IWreckALot
Posts
8677
Joined
3/12/2011
Location
Fort Worth, TX US
IWreckALot 7/3/2015 10:31am
7/3/2015 10:31am
I'm 100% on board for body cameras. That guy was nuts for pulling the gun like he did. Was it really a pellet gun? What did he think he was going to do with it?

The Shop

See All »
mxracer816
Profile picture for user mxracer816
Posts
1092
Joined
7/28/2011
Location
Atlanta, TX US
mxracer816 7/3/2015 12:56pm
7/3/2015 12:56pm
No one ever said criminals are smart.... what a dumbass.
TailSoHard
Profile picture for user TailSoHard
Posts
1656
Joined
10/18/2014
Location
Beer City, MI US
TailSoHard 7/3/2015 1:12pm
7/3/2015 1:12pm
They shot him cause he's white. This is bullshit, we should start a riot. Evil

What a stupid way to die, outside a fuckin Applebees nonetheless
One Last Comeback 7/3/2015 2:28pm
7/3/2015 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2015 2:29pm
Either he wanted to die or thought the cops would be so surprised he could run away. Wrong.
The cop made sure his ass wasn't getting up either.
Rooster
Profile picture for user Rooster
Posts
4432
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Edmonton CA
Rooster 7/3/2015 3:45pm
7/3/2015 3:45pm
Probably too drunk to think straight. It looked like the cops were just there to escort him out.

At least the guy did everyone in the restaurant a favor and waited until he got outside to really demonstrate his idiocy. That could have ended badly if it happened inside.
newmann
Profile picture for user newmann
Posts
24438
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
newmann 7/3/2015 3:55pm
7/3/2015 3:55pm
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
mattmatt300
Profile picture for user mattmatt300
Posts
1457
Joined
3/30/2009
Location
Rockmart, GA US
mattmatt300 7/3/2015 7:26pm
7/3/2015 7:26pm
That's so dumb it almost looks fake. Must have been suicide by cop.
IWreckALot
Profile picture for user IWreckALot
Posts
8677
Joined
3/12/2011
Location
Fort Worth, TX US
IWreckALot 7/3/2015 8:37pm
7/3/2015 8:37pm
I didn't realize suicide by cop was a real thing but holy crap it is. One less strain on the prison system.
holverson34
Profile picture for user holverson34
Posts
320
Joined
11/27/2014
Location
Carlton, OR US
holverson34 7/3/2015 9:08pm
7/3/2015 9:08pm
Female cop was damn near useless
SEE ARE125
Profile picture for user SEE ARE125
Posts
5663
Joined
3/28/2012
Location
TN US
SEE ARE125 7/3/2015 9:17pm
7/3/2015 9:17pm
holverson34 wrote:
Female cop was damn near useless
Every time I see one on COPS I think the same thing. I'm all for equal opportunity employment, but it seems like all the female cops do is stand around making a lot of noise while the male cops are rolling around on the ground trying to cuff the suspect. I imagine everyone gets some good sandwiches back at the PD, though.
BMR179
Profile picture for user BMR179
Posts
496
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
East Texas, TX US
Fantasy
243rd
BMR179 7/4/2015 6:52am
7/4/2015 6:52am
This happened in the small town in which I live. I know the brother of the guy who was shot. He had been having family problems (divorce, etc.) and had been drinking quite a bit. He apparently pilfered something from the Wal-Mart next door and the police were called. Suicide by cop sounds right. I haven't talked to the guys brother and my prayers are with him and his family.

Moral of the situation, don't pull out anything that looks like a gun when you have to deal with the police. By the way, it was an airsoft gun.

One Last Comeback 7/4/2015 8:55am
7/4/2015 8:55am
BMR179 wrote:
This happened in the small town in which I live. I know the brother of the guy who was shot. He had been having family problems...
This happened in the small town in which I live. I know the brother of the guy who was shot. He had been having family problems (divorce, etc.) and had been drinking quite a bit. He apparently pilfered something from the Wal-Mart next door and the police were called. Suicide by cop sounds right. I haven't talked to the guys brother and my prayers are with him and his family.

Moral of the situation, don't pull out anything that looks like a gun when you have to deal with the police. By the way, it was an airsoft gun.

It's unfortunate. It's obvious the cop had no choice but to defend himself, but why pull out a gun when you are facing a minor theft charge?
BigAl
Profile picture for user BigAl
Posts
266
Joined
7/7/2012
Location
Prichard, WV US
BigAl 7/4/2015 9:40am
7/4/2015 9:40am
holverson34 wrote:
Female cop was damn near useless
Imagine them in combat
SEE ARE125
Profile picture for user SEE ARE125
Posts
5663
Joined
3/28/2012
Location
TN US
SEE ARE125 7/4/2015 10:11am
7/4/2015 10:11am
BMR179 wrote:
This happened in the small town in which I live. I know the brother of the guy who was shot. He had been having family problems...
This happened in the small town in which I live. I know the brother of the guy who was shot. He had been having family problems (divorce, etc.) and had been drinking quite a bit. He apparently pilfered something from the Wal-Mart next door and the police were called. Suicide by cop sounds right. I haven't talked to the guys brother and my prayers are with him and his family.

Moral of the situation, don't pull out anything that looks like a gun when you have to deal with the police. By the way, it was an airsoft gun.

One Last Comeback wrote:
It's unfortunate. It's obvious the cop had no choice but to defend himself, but why pull out a gun when you are facing a minor theft...
It's unfortunate. It's obvious the cop had no choice but to defend himself, but why pull out a gun when you are facing a minor theft charge?
Sounds like the family issues might've been the cause of it and he planned on suicide by cop. The minor theft was probably just something he did to get the cops called on him. Steal from a WalMart, go next door and sit with a toy gun in your pants waiting for the cops, when they show up pull it out and let them end your problems. Very sad deal.
J.F.S
Profile picture for user J.F.S
Posts
4383
Joined
10/20/2008
Location
Stockholm SE
J.F.S 7/4/2015 12:12pm
7/4/2015 12:12pm
Very bad police work, totally incompetent.

Pit Row

See All »
Ebs
Profile picture for user Ebs
Posts
841
Joined
6/1/2014
Location
MI US
Ebs 7/4/2015 1:16pm
7/4/2015 1:16pm
Is that a strobe light or some kind of video camera shutter effect?

I don't know proper procedure, but it would make me feel vulnerable walking with my back to a guy like the male cop was.
motosmith
Profile picture for user motosmith
Posts
2046
Joined
11/8/2010
Location
Washougal, WA US
motosmith 7/4/2015 2:08pm
7/4/2015 2:08pm
They shot him cuz he was white, wudda never happened to a black man.
Mustard Tiger 7/4/2015 8:36pm
7/4/2015 8:36pm
Imagine the "black lives matter" protests/riots that would have happened if this dude was black
IWreckALot
Profile picture for user IWreckALot
Posts
8677
Joined
3/12/2011
Location
Fort Worth, TX US
IWreckALot 7/6/2015 5:42am
7/6/2015 5:42am
I counted 12 shots.
yz763
Profile picture for user yz763
Posts
790
Joined
2/6/2009
Location
Altamonte Springs, FL US
yz763 7/6/2015 7:20am
7/6/2015 7:20am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Sounds like the family issues might've been the cause of it and he planned on suicide by cop. The minor theft was probably just something he...
Sounds like the family issues might've been the cause of it and he planned on suicide by cop. The minor theft was probably just something he did to get the cops called on him. Steal from a WalMart, go next door and sit with a toy gun in your pants waiting for the cops, when they show up pull it out and let them end your problems. Very sad deal.
I think you might be giving this guy too much credit. He was probably wasted and couldn't think any farther than the next footstep.
P
Profile picture for user P
Posts
6054
Joined
11/21/2006
Location
Greensboro, NC US
P 7/6/2015 9:15am
7/6/2015 9:15am
Mustard Tiger wrote:
Imagine the "black lives matter" protests/riots that would have happened if this dude was black
I doubt it asshole.


P
P
Profile picture for user P
Posts
6054
Joined
11/21/2006
Location
Greensboro, NC US
P 7/6/2015 9:17am
7/6/2015 9:17am
Ebs wrote:
Is that a strobe light or some kind of video camera shutter effect? I don't know proper procedure, but it would make me feel vulnerable walking...
Is that a strobe light or some kind of video camera shutter effect?

I don't know proper procedure, but it would make me feel vulnerable walking with my back to a guy like the male cop was.
Very good point. I would have thought that they would have cuffed him on the spot.

Either way, justifiable shooting.


P
newmann
Profile picture for user newmann
Posts
24438
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
newmann 7/6/2015 9:47am
7/6/2015 9:47am
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of "justified shooting" to that one as well? Seem to recall him being a big kid.
P
Profile picture for user P
Posts
6054
Joined
11/21/2006
Location
Greensboro, NC US
P 7/6/2015 10:02am
7/6/2015 10:02am
newmann wrote:
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of...
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of "justified shooting" to that one as well? Seem to recall him being a big kid.
Different situations entirely. It was in Ohio I believe. Call came in that a kid had what looked like a gun, but the caller said that it was probably fake. Also, the cops rolled up within inches of the kid, jumped out the car and pretty much started shooting. That's what I saw on the video. No caution in the approach.


P
newmann
Profile picture for user newmann
Posts
24438
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
newmann 7/6/2015 10:51am
7/6/2015 10:51am
newmann wrote:
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of...
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of "justified shooting" to that one as well? Seem to recall him being a big kid.
P wrote:
Different situations entirely. It was in Ohio I believe. Call came in that a kid had what looked like a gun, but the caller said that...
Different situations entirely. It was in Ohio I believe. Call came in that a kid had what looked like a gun, but the caller said that it was probably fake. Also, the cops rolled up within inches of the kid, jumped out the car and pretty much started shooting. That's what I saw on the video. No caution in the approach.


P
They came in hot, the kid went for the gun and they started shooting. They still had no way of knowing whether the gun was fake. Plus he was the size of a grown man.
P
Profile picture for user P
Posts
6054
Joined
11/21/2006
Location
Greensboro, NC US
P 7/6/2015 11:13am
7/6/2015 11:13am

The problem that I have is that you don't go rushing in when you know that the person has a gun, fake or not. That kid literally had no time to react. Had they stopped several yards away and put the car between the kid and themselves and commanded him to drop the weapon I'd almost bet that he would have complied, but we will never know.

BTW, it was also documented at the police force that the officer was at previously that he wasn't suitable to be a cop because he had impulse and decision making issues.

In a memo to Independence's human resources manager, released by the city in the aftermath of the shooting, Independence deputy police chief Jim Polak wrote that Loehmann had resigned rather than face certain termination due to concerns that he lacked the emotional stability to be a police officer. Polak said that Loehmann was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed". He specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise, during which Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems. The memo concluded, "Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions, I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies." It was subsequently revealed that Cleveland police officials never reviewed Loehmann's personnel file from Independence prior to hiring him.



P
mxb2
Profile picture for user mxb2
Posts
22437
Joined
6/15/2010
Location
Bowie, MD US
mxb2 7/6/2015 12:24pm
7/6/2015 12:24pm
newmann wrote:
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of...
Anyone remember the 12(?) year old kid swinging the toy gun around and the cops rushed in and shot him? Does this add some sense of "justified shooting" to that one as well? Seem to recall him being a big kid.
P wrote:
Different situations entirely. It was in Ohio I believe. Call came in that a kid had what looked like a gun, but the caller said that...
Different situations entirely. It was in Ohio I believe. Call came in that a kid had what looked like a gun, but the caller said that it was probably fake. Also, the cops rolled up within inches of the kid, jumped out the car and pretty much started shooting. That's what I saw on the video. No caution in the approach.


P
newmann wrote:
They came in hot, the kid went for the gun and they started shooting. They still had no way of knowing whether the gun was fake...
They came in hot, the kid went for the gun and they started shooting. They still had no way of knowing whether the gun was fake. Plus he was the size of a grown man.
stupid games, stupid prizes.

Post a reply to: Gnarly Texas police shooting video (very graphic)