Must-See Letter Between the AMA and FIM

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trailhopper 12/19/2014 1:54pm
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My God.......how many dead horses need to be beaten before all of this can go just away? No matter how many times you guys piss, bitch, moan and complain it aint gonna change a GD thing. Some of you need a life besides sitting on Vital and hitting refresh every 2 minutes. Blink
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gsxrcr28 12/19/2014 1:55pm
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Wow, this argument is still going on Laughing

The funny thing is almost everyone is in agreement. James fault, penalty way too long.
hvaughn88 wrote:
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they...
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they fighting it before a rider got busted?

It's eerily similar to the 4 stroke argument (sorry, ya I went there haha). They were the greatest thing and everyone wanted them at first, and now they are basically a curse word and commonly referenced as "killing the sport"
I don't think many riders looked into cause they weren't concerned about failing.

James knows they are testing, which I think like Steve Cox said he thought they were looking for things like steroids, EPO etc...
It would make no sense if you know they are testing to take something you can get a TUE for.
Yes, he may have been very uninformed on the subject, just as Josh Grant is.
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Hut 12/19/2014 1:58pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they...
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they fighting it before a rider got busted?

It's eerily similar to the 4 stroke argument (sorry, ya I went there haha). They were the greatest thing and everyone wanted them at first, and now they are basically a curse word and commonly referenced as "killing the sport"
Hut wrote:
Which people?
hvaughn88 wrote:
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen...
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen over the last several years. If you're asking I specify certain people, then you got me, I can't.
I hit the quote button before the edit so my question is; What people that are against the severity should have been fighting before a rider got busted? Not specifically by name just generally speaking.
tailwind182 12/19/2014 2:00pm
12/19/2014 2:00pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Wow, this argument is still going on Laughing

The funny thing is almost everyone is in agreement. James fault, penalty way too long.
hvaughn88 wrote:
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they...
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they fighting it before a rider got busted?

It's eerily similar to the 4 stroke argument (sorry, ya I went there haha). They were the greatest thing and everyone wanted them at first, and now they are basically a curse word and commonly referenced as "killing the sport"
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I don't think many riders looked into cause they weren't concerned about failing. James knows they are testing, which I think like Steve Cox said he...
I don't think many riders looked into cause they weren't concerned about failing.

James knows they are testing, which I think like Steve Cox said he thought they were looking for things like steroids, EPO etc...
It would make no sense if you know they are testing to take something you can get a TUE for.
Yes, he may have been very uninformed on the subject, just as Josh Grant is.
But that is very weak. When you are making 7 figures +, you better know Everything about your job.

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gsxrcr28 12/19/2014 2:02pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they...
The issue I have with that though, is if people were so against the penalty length (which was apparent from their earlier rulings), why weren't they fighting it before a rider got busted?

It's eerily similar to the 4 stroke argument (sorry, ya I went there haha). They were the greatest thing and everyone wanted them at first, and now they are basically a curse word and commonly referenced as "killing the sport"
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I don't think many riders looked into cause they weren't concerned about failing. James knows they are testing, which I think like Steve Cox said he...
I don't think many riders looked into cause they weren't concerned about failing.

James knows they are testing, which I think like Steve Cox said he thought they were looking for things like steroids, EPO etc...
It would make no sense if you know they are testing to take something you can get a TUE for.
Yes, he may have been very uninformed on the subject, just as Josh Grant is.
tailwind182 wrote:
But that is very weak. When you are making 7 figures +, you better know Everything about your job.
I know Laughing

Everyone agrees on that Smile
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hvaughn88 12/19/2014 2:03pm
12/19/2014 2:03pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2014 2:12pm
Hut wrote:
Which people?
hvaughn88 wrote:
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen...
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen over the last several years. If you're asking I specify certain people, then you got me, I can't.
Hut wrote:
I hit the quote button before the edit so my question is; What people that are against the severity should have been fighting before a rider...
I hit the quote button before the edit so my question is; What people that are against the severity should have been fighting before a rider got busted? Not specifically by name just generally speaking.
Well I suppose any of them that had the capability to start petitions, link email addresses to FIM officials, people that go on social media and refer to WADA and the FIM as "fags," or "witch hunters." Those that want to call out promoters, etc. Or how about racers that stated they were confused beforehand?
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Hut 12/19/2014 2:10pm
12/19/2014 2:10pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2014 2:11pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen...
For drug testing or 4 strokes? Either way, I'm making an assumption (obviously not smart, but I'll risk it) based on everything I've read and seen over the last several years. If you're asking I specify certain people, then you got me, I can't.
Hut wrote:
I hit the quote button before the edit so my question is; What people that are against the severity should have been fighting before a rider...
I hit the quote button before the edit so my question is; What people that are against the severity should have been fighting before a rider got busted? Not specifically by name just generally speaking.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Well I suppose any of them that had the capability to start petitions, link email addresses to FIM officials, people that go on social media and...
Well I suppose any of them that had the capability to start petitions, link email addresses to FIM officials, people that go on social media and refer to WADA and the FIM as "fags," or "witch hunters." Those that want to call out promoters, etc. Or how about racers that stated they were confused beforehand?
I thought I might be in total agreement is why I asked. imho anyone that had the power to let the FIM or WADA have control of an American series are at fault.
Personally I am against the severity of the penalty but to be honest I don't study the fine print. As a fan I just expect the big wigs to have it under control for the most part. Hell I didn't even know what a TUE was until after the fact.

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