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It expired on September 13, 2004 because it wasn't effective.
It really never made a difference - school shootings still happened ect..
Actually it put more firearms on the streets due to panic buys before the ban took effect.
It raised the price of weapons and the industry cashed in & expanded.
I know we did.I worked in the industry when it all went down.
About the only thing it had going for it that made it look somewhat like a success was the Brady Bill was implemented at the same time.But the assault weapons ban didn't help at all.Some tried to explain stats taking credit for the AWB - but really it was the Brady Bill that racked up all the gun holds through local agencies & even NICS.I do believe it prevented murders to a certain degree.
Basically denying those convicted of domestic violence from buying a firearm did help a little.
But people were able to get their rights restored if they took the time to look into it.
And when people got turned down...the system did zero to prosecute them for trying to buy a firearm.
I seen it all first hand and as I said, I worked in the industry at the time and seen it first hand.
And even worked alongside BATF Agents during audits ect....
The AWB wasn't effective.
In fact just a couple years back when the media & politicians were screaming AWB - it just put more on the streets in far greater numbers then ever.
People were buying them in bulk asap and then reselling them for more to every Tom,Dick & Harry with cash(Including criminals).
I reported many folks off Arms list who were doing it - buying & selling mass amounts of weapons without an FFL is illegal. My reply from the BATF was that they would look into it.
But nothing was ever done.It was profitable for people - just like with re-selling prescription drugs to addicts.
I absolutely understand mental health care...consistent, regular care by qualified professionals...and nurturing supervision by loving parents are incredibly important. Without both, the care becomes spotty...and the loving parents are needed to make sure the care by qualified professionals happens.
On the Naval Shooting (like all other murders) I'm more concerned with why the shooter did what he did, rather than what inanimate object he used to kill people. Why aren't you? If we can figure out what caused him to do what he did, and stop/change/fix that, what kind of inanimate objects he has access to become a non-issue.
Why don't you want to talk about the real problem? Why do you allow yourself to be distracted by the smoke and mirrors "gun control" debate?
Legislation won't work.
How did the assault weapons ban work?
How is the gun ban in Chicago and DC working out?
Government is not the solution. Personal responsibility is.
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Then you would know that it's the operator that does the assaulting.
Not the weapon itself.
However,the quality of a lot of the weapons military vs civilian are indeed a little different in some cases when you look at the M4 vs the AR15 (never mind features like burst mode on the M4 or FA on the M4A1 ect..).
1 quality example...Take colt for instance.
Colt Manufacturing Company now serves the civilian market which actually the barrels and inner parts aren't the same quality wise as their M4 parts variation parts.I believe they aren't as good as to what the military,LEA & Contractors get
these days.
See the M4 is made by "Colt Defense" which serves the law enforcement, military, and private security markets worldwide.
It's better quality stuff.... IMO
Colt Manufacturing Company doesn't put out the quality that Colt Defense does.
That's just one example (I could give you many).
HK would also be a good quick example.
Civilian sales VS Military/LEA/Contractor sales.
HK416 vs MR55A1 - Capabilities & quality.
Which one is safer & available for OTB techniques ect...
MR556A1 is more of a target rifle unless you chop it down and register it on a stamp as SBR and make some other mods to it.
The 416 is more ideal for a tactical operator. Length weight functions ect.
Some 416's are more setup with OTB capabilities for OTB techniques.
I could go on & on all day long with a thousand examples of
Civilian VS Real Military weapons..capabilities,quality ect. and not even mention full auto or tri-burst.
We can leave them all in semi-auto mode and I will still choose the Mil version.
It's better stuff in regards to HK also.
Even the Maritime steel HK Mil/LEA ONLY Magazines are better quality and have less feed issues then what they make for the civilian market. You can still get the steel ones though... on the civilian black market or from LEA trade ins.
I just installed a Geissele SSA-E 2 stage trigger in my ultra light AR a few weeks ago. Talk about a nice crisp break on that thing. Trading Place Pawn had a super deal on them.
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Yep,I run their MR556's triggers in mine -it's a 2 stage also - better then stock & safer.
Geissele makes good stuff!
That 2 stage is a safer trigger also.
You can squeeze a little and make sure your all set.
Engage,Engage,Engage,Release & Repeat.
Far better for training/drills & even in real world situations.
Obviously personal responsibility or that cultural shift wont happen because it requires these libby idiots more effort on their behalf.
This issue needs to be addressed with a different perspective such as what fasteddy posted about the Navy Seal guy that was torn apart by the NRA was suggesting. In my opinion gun legislation needs to be tied into a judicial ,educational, immigration, and healthcare comprehensive legislation. But it needs to come from the right and make sense to moderates if not the liberals are going to get moderates to go their way because if the choice is between current gun laws or extremely strict gun laws moderates are going to be willing to accept the latter.
And just so you know, the cultural shit IS actually happening...its happening in my home, and in the homes of most of my friends and family and neighbors and co-workers and the people I associate with (who I have this same discussion with...they all recognize the need, and commit themselves to be better parents)...is the cultural shift happening in your home, Gabby? If not, then you are part of the problem.
I demand that all Americans step up and be better parents, and better aunts and uncles and grandparents....I have this same discussion with everyone I associate with...and most of them see the light, and realize they don't have to helplessly wait for the government to fix our problems, they can take personal responsibility and take action and fix the problem. Really, accepting that reality (that we aren't helpless and at the mercy of politicians and that we can do something NOW) is liberating! Give it a shot...
We are not talking about what should happen but what will happen and what will happen is that these issues need to be addressed and if they are not going to be addressed by those who favor responsible gun ownership then they will be by those who wish to outlaw guns all together.
So everyone is a lazy and bad parent that has a kid that goes wrong?
People that have a school filled with drugs and gun violence they are just being lazy when they don't get a good education?
Parents that come from homes where there are 4-5 generations born into addiction, poverty, lack of educational access or opportunity are supposed to somehow rise above the 70 hour work weeks for min wage, never seeing their kids and barely making ends meet and if they don't it's just because their lazy and a crappy parent?
And please save me the story about how your dad worked as a blue collar man in the mines and you pulled yourself up by the boot straps because that was in a time in this country when you had that opportunity....especially if you happened to be white....that is not the time we live in anymore.
Hell in the 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and early 80's this country actually made things and there was an economy based on manufactured goods.....now it's all based on purchasing and unless you can beat the prices Walmart can post then your mom and pop store is going down.....so now your "opportunity" is a $7.75 an hour managers job at McD's unless you spend $100K on an education and better hope it's the right one or you have just put yourself into debt for 30 years.....Good Luck!!!
Yes in the abstract that kind of thing is possible under the best of circumstances these days but that "best of circumstances" only applies to about 8% of the people in this country now.
Are there bad parents....yes undeniably but look at what the reality is before you say it is all just laziness and sloth.
As far as ethics go.....what ethics?
The only rule in business now is make more money than the other guy....dollar, dollar bill ya'll.....fuck the other guy just get yours.
Dishonesty is the language of politics and since our government is supposed to be representative of the people well guess what.......that's the example for us all.
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Why won't you get on board Gabby? Acknowledge that our society is going to pot NOT because we don't have enough laws (we have PLENTY of laws)...but because our society has lost its moral and ethical compass...and then make a commitment to be a better parent (if you have kids or will have kids in the future) and a better person...and then, whenever you talk about our societies issues rather than tell everyone you are waiting on the government (and what you think government will do) tell them that you took action, and expect the same of them. How about it Gabby?
Virtually ALL of these shooter type kids come from broken homes...virtually ALL of the gang bangers in the world come from broken homes...and on and on and on...the solution to our problems is the family.
You are correct, our society is a reflection of our morals and ethics (as evidenced by our government). Can government, with laws and regulations and agencies, change the morals and ethics of our society? No. They can't...but, until our morals and ethics change, our country will continue to swirl around the toilet. So what do you choose to do about it? Sit there and complain, and give up more and more of your freedoms and liberties (and your grandkids tax dollars) so the government can put a Mickey Mouse band aide on the slit throat of our society? Or make sure your kids/grandkids aren't part of the problem? Or make sure that your kids won't be the first generation stuck in addiction and poverty and lacking education?
You love your guns and will defend them at ALL costs
...who cares about intelligent counter-points.
This isn't about what's best for society,
it's about your self-interest and how you can keep your precious guns.
I'd be able to keep my firearms regardless of what was banned ect...just like with the other bans.
I own stuff legally that the average Joe cannot buy over the counter/cash & carry.
I don't mind going through the processes.
However,I'm all about not leaving people vulnerable by making non-effect legislation.
I'm all about fighting back against violent criminals & crazies and training more people to fight back & use less tolerance towards violent criminals.Better assessment,accuracy,speed ect.Stand & fight back.
You seem to defend them...by looking through some of your past posts in other threads.
Perhaps you are indeed the one with the real "self-interest".
Like you said, all those posts and you don't have a solution all you do is blame a tool/object.
You don't like my solutions - because maybe they might effect your "self interest" or the interest of the criminals you surround yourself with.Or the criminals you sympathize with. Who knows...
But one thing I do know - you are full of shit either way.
...and ends with letting go of any gun infatuation you may have.
Until then, these threads will just be ruminations of every other gun thread that's ever been created on a message board.
You probably discussed this on mototalk with TFS back in the day (RIP), and made the same tautological points.
It was probably more fun back then huh?
how's that working out for ya?
You think this shit is fucking joke,a form of entertainment?
Grow the fuck up!
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