Snowden.

"My Team"? Classic.

Again, tell me...EXACTLY...how the POS Patriot Act BECAME LAW and WHO had to APPROVE it...?

Oh, and, WHO was in the Majority at that time?

Ben Franklin has my back on this one.

And to add to the last bit of Team Greens post.

Twisted Sister says it best.....


we've Got The Right To Choose And
there Ain't No Way We'll Lose It
this Is Our Life, This Is Our Song
we'll Fight The Powers That Be Just
don't Pick Our Destiny 'cause
you Don't Know Us, You Don't Belong........

we're Right/yeah
we're Free/yeah
we'll Fight/yeah
you'll See/yeah

Ladies & Gentlemen,

I present to you...

"My FUCKING TEAM"

Oh, Hell YES!!!

You're gonna get eaten by Sharks...someday.

Why?

Because you ALWAYS swim in Circles & NEVER GET ANYWHERE.

Ever.

Same Circle.

Same Madness.

Same Blame-Game.

Let ya in on a little secret...it's your Country, too.

You know? The one outside. The one you were a part of before you got glued to that keyboard and stuck in this viscious circle of Blame that you can't EVER seem to leave...?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that..." (Imagine Seinfeld saying it...)

“It's hardly a perfect parallel,” Ars Technica wrote in the article. “Snowden was upset about leaks over U.S. covert operations in Iran, which is different from the domestic spying and offensive cyberwar programs he felt compelled to make public.”

In the End it'll help his Defense...

Ed Snowden could be the worst guy in the world but it doesn't change the info he's brought to light.

Seems like much of the media and gov want to make the story about him but it's not.

Many of us, myself included, suspected things of this nature were taking place but the details and magnitude were not available and if you spoke of your beliefs, many would label you a "conspiracy theorist". These developments have removed any doubt, even shocking many that have been blowing this horn for a long time as to their broad scope, and ultimately changing the dialogue in this country and around the world.

These discussions have gone from obscure underground Internet reporting to front page news. This is huge.

And while it's not about Ed Snowden, why would somebody risk their life to tell people things they should already know?

I also disagree that there were laws put in place that should have made this type of surveillance obvious to the common citizen. By all accounts, it appears the USG has used technicalities and broad interpretations to justify their actions. The last of this debate is far from being heard.

Exactly what law are you referring to that says it's OK to secretly surveil all Americans without a warrant?

Apr 12 2006 http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2006/04/6585-2/

Still...we're still going around in Circles...

How many times have Laws been struck-down AFTER THE FACT...due to the UNCONSTITUTIONAL content &/or implications with-in such laws...?

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach; so, you get what we had here, last week; which is the way he wants it. Well, he get's it..." In reference to this last weeks Laws that were STRUCK-DOWN!
(Yes, Oldie...in some cases simply "parts-there-in"...)

I'll let you would be "Kill the Messenger" types in on something-else:

This isn't the 1st Time this kinda shit has gone down; in-fact, your country was founded by a bunch of guys that commited treason...against a King.

Then there's Oldie with his "It's all your fault"...or..."It's All BUSH'S FAULT"...yada, yada, yada...& there's my Oldie favorite...when he get's up on the desk and shouts: "We are a Nation of Laws!"

Wow, really?

Great Argument. Are those Laws Constitutional?

Another-thing: Have you worked inside the "Defense, Security and Intel" environments where all of these would be "Whistle-Blower" laws and protections that you claim exist are actually "available" to those that would like to file...you know...Specifically for those in the Intel & Hum-Int environmets? No. No you haven't; because, if you did...you'd know that it's a political night-mare and said programs are not "Vialble". Hence: A lot of REALLY GOOD people just leave...and leave these little dicked fuckers at the Helm.

A Specific Addess to Oldie: You're implying that he should'a trusted the Cops. You do see that, don't you?

Last; but, not least...and I truly hope you give this one it's fair measure & consideration...

Why? How come? What is the Need for Our GOVERMENT to go on the "Personal Attack" Tour & go after this guy the way they are...hmmmmm? I mean, they're actually sabotaging their own case (hilarious). Or, do you think these Media-Outlets found his web-posts from 7-8 Years ago...ON THEIR OWN? Now, that's rich!

So, I'll just keep watching and considering the obvious: Snowden's not the Problem. He just Exposed it. And your Gov't DOES NOT LIKE THAT.

Again, I'm sticking with Ben Frankiln and that little document that the POTUS is ALWAYS quick to point out as..."Imperfect".

Classic.

You know...I'm worried about your rights, too. That's where my passion comes from. I'm not as "In your face" as I probably sound on this: I'm just kinda blown-away by some of you that're usually "Fuck the Man"; yet, you're siding with "him" on this one...?

I dunno...I jus' really wanted Orwell to Wrong on this one. Seriously...

Siding with the US Government over Snowden is laughable! What a joke this country has become. People saying that Snowden is a traitor for leaking the info.- Really? Our shitty Government spends 143 million per F35 and can't keep the information from being stolen, in addition to hundreds of other instances. Yaa, Snowden is the problem! GMAFB!!!

And for those still still play partisan politics- stupid is as stupid does!!

You're touching on the point that Snowden's made form Day 1: It's the Scope and the Complete-Mis-Use of the Law and the Technology...that's the problem.

Were the actions of the NSA legal? A couple Law professors discuss in the NYT:

The Criminal N.S.A. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?ref=opi…

tl;dr? last sentence of article: "It’s time to call the N.S.A.’s mass surveillance programs what they are: criminal."

Authors: Jennifer Stisa Granick is the director of civil liberties at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society. Christopher Jon Sprigman is a professor at the University of Virginia School of Law.