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Crohns never goes away, it can go into remission and I can attest to that. I had 4 feet of my small intestine removed a little...
Crohns never goes away, it can go into remission and I can attest to that.

I had 4 feet of my small intestine removed a little over three years ago and haven’t had a single issue to date. Now, the 6-8 year mark is when you will start to have issues, or when most have issues.

I have changed my diet and it has made a huge improvement on my overall health and with my Crohns. I was 14 when I was diagnosed and it got worse every year until I had surgery. I did find that working out and drinking lots of water will help a lot with flares and keeping your body as healthy as it can to fight Crohns being it thrives off of a weak immune system.

I can not eat red meat, it doesn’t work for me, it causes issues with my digestive system and that’s not a chance I want to take. But a modified version of the paleo could possibly work. My only issue is also all of the greens you would be eating. Things high in fiber also affect me and digesting those types of foods are even harder.

TFS...Gluten doesn’t cause Crohns, there is no found cause as of yet, a lot of theories out there though. But it does affect the GI system for some people. Gluten free products are also highly processed, using other things. So going paleo and GF is almost impossible.

Everyone is different and I think finding that path that works best for each person is up to that person.
It may be that medical science will never prove a link between gluten and Crohn's or UC, because that is not what they are looking for. I asked my doc back in the day where the UC came from, and he said "We don't know. The body attacks itself."

Gluten is not a natural food, at least not in quantities like we see today. Gluten causes inflammation. Crohn's and UC are inflammation out of control. No, no link at all, impossible. Smile That is what they will keep saying until they find out it's at least partly true.

There is more than one way for the body to go after it's own organs (auto-immune disorder). The best we can do is research stuff ourselves because medical science is so weak. If you have inflammation, don't pour fire on it.
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I sense a WTF, Teef is crazy...

Remember ulcers? They were kicking medicines ass until 1982, when someone figured out they were caused by infection, not stress as previously believed. Up until then , medicine said exactly what it is saying about Crohn's and UC, its genetic, it's stress, its auto immunity, we don't know.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Peptic-Ulcer-History.aspx

When they do figure out what causes Crohn's and UC, remember this thread. Gluten will be part of the explanation.
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TFS wrote:
I sense a WTF, Teef is crazy... Remember ulcers? They were kicking medicines ass until 1982, when someone figured out they were caused by infection, not...
I sense a WTF, Teef is crazy...

Remember ulcers? They were kicking medicines ass until 1982, when someone figured out they were caused by infection, not stress as previously believed. Up until then , medicine said exactly what it is saying about Crohn's and UC, its genetic, it's stress, its auto immunity, we don't know.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Peptic-Ulcer-History.aspx

When they do figure out what causes Crohn's and UC, remember this thread. Gluten will be part of the explanation.
Not all ulcers are the same. That link is for a peptic ulcers, not the same ulcers caused by Crohns or UC.

And having Crohns for 15 years, I can tell you Gluten has ZERO effect on me.

TFS, have you been diagnosed with Crohns, UC or IBS?

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TFS wrote:
I sense a WTF, Teef is crazy... Remember ulcers? They were kicking medicines ass until 1982, when someone figured out they were caused by infection, not...
I sense a WTF, Teef is crazy...

Remember ulcers? They were kicking medicines ass until 1982, when someone figured out they were caused by infection, not stress as previously believed. Up until then , medicine said exactly what it is saying about Crohn's and UC, its genetic, it's stress, its auto immunity, we don't know.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Peptic-Ulcer-History.aspx

When they do figure out what causes Crohn's and UC, remember this thread. Gluten will be part of the explanation.
IceMan446 wrote:
Not all ulcers are the same. That link is for a peptic ulcers, not the same ulcers caused by Crohns or UC. And having Crohns for...
Not all ulcers are the same. That link is for a peptic ulcers, not the same ulcers caused by Crohns or UC.

And having Crohns for 15 years, I can tell you Gluten has ZERO effect on me.

TFS, have you been diagnosed with Crohns, UC or IBS?
No, but he has all the answers and knows what's best for you. So listen up! I read the first 6 pages and I can't believe the amount of bullshit spewed from TFS. STFU dude and go do your little diet alone and feel all tingly. Jeeeez, stop acting like a complete douche. Nobody likes a know-it-all!
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This thread deserved it.
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I don't buy the UC-Gluten link either. I had UC for 10 years, then in remission for 12 and I haven't changed my diet before, during or after. And I love bread.

What I did change was
1) stopped smoking. UC started a year after that. That seems to be a common trigger for UC
2) I swore off NSAID (ibuprofen...) My last episode came after I severely sprained an ankle when I started taking ibuprofen.
3) I sold my bike before. I bought (multiple) bikes after.

Personally I'm going with 3. Riding is obviously necessary for your well being. Stop at your own risks.
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2/5/2013 1:02pm Edited Date/Time 2/5/2013 1:04pm
Interesting how many people on Vital have, or have had, issues with Crohn's or UC. I was diagnosed in '96 with UC, and had problems on and off until about 8 years ago, when I went into remission. (No family history of autoimmune disease) One thing that did help me when I had inflammations was cutting way down on complex carbs including breads, pastas, and eliminating beer, even though I didn't drink a lot of it. But when it went into remission 8 years ago, I was eating mostly whatever I wanted to during non-flare ups, and still do to this day.

I've often read, and my doctors told me back then, to avoid spicy foods when you have UC. What was interesting is that just prior to my remission 8 years ago, I CRAVED spicy foods all the time for about a month straight. So I started putting cayenne pepper on my eggs, adding hot salsa to everything, and eating jalapenos right out of the jar. After doing that for about a month or so, my craving for spicy foods was gone, and I went into remission for the longest period I have ever been in, to present day. During this entire time, I've had no ASACOL, no Prednisone, or any drugs period.

Weird how the body works.
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TFS wrote:
It may be that medical science will never prove a link between gluten and Crohn's or UC, because that is not what they are looking for...
It may be that medical science will never prove a link between gluten and Crohn's or UC, because that is not what they are looking for. I asked my doc back in the day where the UC came from, and he said "We don't know. The body attacks itself."

Gluten is not a natural food, at least not in quantities like we see today. Gluten causes inflammation. Crohn's and UC are inflammation out of control. No, no link at all, impossible. Smile That is what they will keep saying until they find out it's at least partly true.

There is more than one way for the body to go after it's own organs (auto-immune disorder). The best we can do is research stuff ourselves because medical science is so weak. If you have inflammation, don't pour fire on it.
In one sentence you state medical science is so weak, in the next you state you still take pills from them. I don't get you.

One things for sure having almost 0 gluten, and wheat in my diet and still getting flares basically throws your opinion out the window.
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I don't buy the UC-Gluten link either. I had UC for 10 years, then in remission for 12 and I haven't changed my diet before, during...
I don't buy the UC-Gluten link either. I had UC for 10 years, then in remission for 12 and I haven't changed my diet before, during or after. And I love bread.

What I did change was
1) stopped smoking. UC started a year after that. That seems to be a common trigger for UC
2) I swore off NSAID (ibuprofen...) My last episode came after I severely sprained an ankle when I started taking ibuprofen.
3) I sold my bike before. I bought (multiple) bikes after.

Personally I'm going with 3. Riding is obviously necessary for your well being. Stop at your own risks.
Funny you say that mj, I raced a big portion of my life with Crohns and never had any real issues. Here and there but nothing that lasted more then a day or two.

It was once I stopped riding and training it all went down hill. I firmly believe that exercising is the best thing for me with keeping my Crohns at bay. There are other things but I feel like that is the biggest part of my ability to function on a semi normal basis.
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Not all ulcers are the same. That link is for a peptic ulcers, not the same ulcers caused by Crohns or UC. And having Crohns for...
Not all ulcers are the same. That link is for a peptic ulcers, not the same ulcers caused by Crohns or UC.

And having Crohns for 15 years, I can tell you Gluten has ZERO effect on me.

TFS, have you been diagnosed with Crohns, UC or IBS?
I think I was pretty clear a few pages back. I had UC and it was gone when the colon was removed in 1991, 22 years ago.

My opinion about my case is that it was definately wheat/gluten triggered. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and it is probably no worse than what medical science thinks, or a guess!

If you have Crohn's are are 100% sure wheat/gluten is 100% troublefree, for you, then eat up. Don't look for any reasons why, just do what the dr says and take the pills. Good luck with that. Then ask the dr what causes it, and tell us what the answer is if it is something besides "we don't know."

BTW-Just suppose my hypothesis is even partly right, which is nearly certain. If wheat/gluten is a trigger, that does not mean that wheat/gluten is the fix. If you cut it out and nothing gets better, it would be incorrect to say "See, I can eat this stuff all day and it doesn't matter, so it was not the cause." Chronic inflammation does not always work that way. Once it flares up, removing the root cause may do you no good at all, because it's now out of control and about to get a name like Crohn's or UC.

This is why drs can't tell you the cause. The cause is gone and the inflammation remains. The body just keeps going after it. That is why it's called an auto-immune problem.

I didn't expect so many to have this shit either. I'm sorry to hear it for everyone. It was very hard to deal with for 5 years (1986-1991), then the aftermath and the Prednisone withdrawl and hormone crash. I think it would be a good idea for people to be a bit more open minded, and stop trying to avoid info that may help just because this is a web forum and arguing or trolling is the thing to do!

If you think your dr knows exactly what the cause is and the best way to approach it, think again. Just like what I say may not exactly fit you personally, neither does what the dr has to work from, which is only statistics, assumptions, and a bad track record (like with ulcers, eggs, cholesterol, etc). You have to figure it out yourself, and this requires being open to different opinions and grabbing all the clues you can.

Last part... In 2011 the custom pouch fails. It develops a hole about 5mm by 20mm. Now I get to watch drs at work analyzing what to do. First they go to the published literature on 20-year old pouches. The research says that 20% of those that failed were due to a misdiagnosis of UC that was really Crohn's-which comes back. Another 20 were... blah blah. What it is leading to is they want to talk me into just taking it out, and going with the external bag. I'm freaking. They dont have any data on what is wrong inside, they haven't looked in detail. They are just jumping to conclusions based on what they read, not from what is going on with me. I told the first surgeon "I can google the same journals. I already did. I read the abstracts. It's not a misdiagnosis, and BTW, when are we going to figure out what is wrong with me instead of the people in the published journals?" I got a new surgeon and he decided it was worth fixing.
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I got a new surgeon and he decided it was worth fixing.

Nothing new here. In all profession you have your unimaginative people who just go through the script even when all the evidences tell them it is wrong. They got the degree but all they can do is parrot what they've learned instead of using their training as a starting point to solve problems.

Case in point with my adventure in UC land:

- First attack was brought down relatively fast by my general practitioner.
- Second one, he sends me to a "specialist" who prescribe the new and improved treatment:: Rowasa. This incident took for ever to go in remission. I asked the "specialist" if we can go back to the stuff that worked the first time and he tells me "no, Rowasa is the best current treatment we have"
- Third (and thankfully last) attack, the doc wants to send me back to the specialist. I tell him that the guy doesn't do anything more than he does but charges me more. We start on Rowasa and I immediately get worse. I talk with my doc, and he agrees to go back to the "old and not up to snuff" treatment. Back into remission relatively fast.

Of course this is all anecdotal. But I tell you, a good doc willing to listen to you is worth his weight in gold. Unfortunately mine just retired. (but that's OK, I've decided I wasn't going to get sick anymore :-)
2/7/2013 11:07am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2013 11:14am
This topic is interesting to me and an important one for both athletes and non-athletes alike, so I'd like to keep talking about it.

Robb spoke about the LC/athlete stuff on his podcast episode 167. Some points:

-Phinney/Volek recommend SuperStarch before and after athletic events (a complex carb that is supposed to be slow releasing) to get glycogen into the muscles
-Aerobic activity is okay, but athletes struggle with anaerobic activity in the glycolitic pathway or "lack of a low gear" due to the lack of glycogen in the muscles.
-In any type of athlete that is required to do work that is longer than about 2 seconds in duration, carbs are needed for suppression of cortisol release.
-No prominent athlete has come onto the scene at the regional/national level using a strict ketogenic approach.
-LC is great for "building the base" activities (long distance cycling, steady state cardio) to ramp up the lipolytic enzymes so they do metabolize fat more effectively, but biology has not figured out how to get the same power output out of fat that we do out of glycogen.

Referenced this article (by Phinney, no less) in the Journal of Nutrition and Metabolism. Here is the final line of the Conclusion section:

Therapeutic use of ketogenic diets should not require constraint of most forms of physical labor or recreational activity, with the one caveat that anaerobic (ie, weight lifting or sprint) performance is limited by the low muscle glycogen levels induced by a ketogenic diet, and this would strongly discourage its use under most conditions of competitive athletics.
2/16/2013 6:36pm
Does Muscle Milk contain much/any caffein? Sometimes I train reasonably late at night and I dont particularly want to be awake all night after having a shake.

This is the one I've been looking at. http://www.amazon.co.uk/CytoSport-Muscle-Chocolate-Protein-Powder/dp/B002DUD6QU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361057622&sr=8-1

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