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http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7981987/2012-nba-playoffs-bost…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1199690-heat-vs-celtics-are-nba-refs…
I cant watch anymore. Ive become more and more dis-interested over the years after having to deal with all the favors the league has done the Lakers during the Kobe era. Now it appears the focus has shifted to Miami.
I got nothing against Lebron or his "decision". But I want to watch the game being played, not manipulated. I want to see the better team win. The NBA is so blatant with their manipulation its unreal. I cant believe we still watch or pay to go to games. It really is a testament to how stupid we are as a society. But then again, we saw Florida pretty much rig an election a while back and nobody really cared. What a fantasy world we live in.
David Stern is a reptilian devil. I really hate that guy. Stealing the Sonics away from Seattle was bad enough. I really dont know who is worse, Bernie Ecclestone or David Stern when it comes to worst commissioners in sports.
Roger Goodell... sucks
Bud Selig... sucks
Carmelo Ezpeleta... sucks
I wish their were more Dana Whites and Davey Coombs out there running things.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1199690-heat-vs-celtics-are-nba-refs…
I cant watch anymore. Ive become more and more dis-interested over the years after having to deal with all the favors the league has done the Lakers during the Kobe era. Now it appears the focus has shifted to Miami.
I got nothing against Lebron or his "decision". But I want to watch the game being played, not manipulated. I want to see the better team win. The NBA is so blatant with their manipulation its unreal. I cant believe we still watch or pay to go to games. It really is a testament to how stupid we are as a society. But then again, we saw Florida pretty much rig an election a while back and nobody really cared. What a fantasy world we live in.
David Stern is a reptilian devil. I really hate that guy. Stealing the Sonics away from Seattle was bad enough. I really dont know who is worse, Bernie Ecclestone or David Stern when it comes to worst commissioners in sports.
Roger Goodell... sucks
Bud Selig... sucks
Carmelo Ezpeleta... sucks
I wish their were more Dana Whites and Davey Coombs out there running things.
Granted the technical fouls on Allen and Rivers were questionable but no one knows what was said leading up to those instances that caused the refs to blow the whistle.
This isnt the first time their integrity has been called into question. They just keep plugging away because they know that when push comes to shove, the American public wont change the channel.
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But I spent plenty of time around the college game. And my high school coach was a former NBA player. I heard some great (and mostly depressing) stories.
We are all just surprised when we find out pro sports are that way due to the fact that we all romanticize it so much. Im guilty of this more than anyone.
Whine about the officials all you want, but it was the exact opposite the final game between Indy and Miami. It seemed like all the "breaks" fell the Pacers way.....
It ebbs and flows, and will ultimately even out in the end.
Go Heat! (Or Thunder. If those two make it to the Finals, I won't give a rip who wins.)
It ebbs and flows? HAHA. Yeah right. I suppose when an NBA ref comes out and admits games are manipulated that he has no credibility? Whatever. They said the same about Jose Canseco but that guy was never caught in a lie either. NBA=WWF
Dont worry, you will get your wish, OKC and the Heat will be in the finals. It will make for the best ratings.
I do know that we, as officials, have ZERO concern as to who wins the game; but the coaches and fans all think we have an agenda, and are in somebodys pocket.
The truth is that the easiest place to officiate a game is ANYWHERE outside of the striped uniform.
I will admit that when a crap call is made, a mental note is also made, and the DESIRE to "make up" for it is there, though we all know that is the wrong thing to do.
Do you have any experience officiating? If so, what sport? If not, have you ever considered it?
I use it as a form of professional development. I like being forced to made decisions, ones that will NOT be universally accepted, (Call a penalty on the team that is on the far side of the field, and the team behind you thinks you are AWESOME. Call one against the team standing behind you, and you are the worst official in the world.), quickly explain the rational behind your decision, and MOVE ON.
I was working a game, and called a penalty on the team that was on my sideline, and the coach just went BALLISTIC. And it went on and on and on. He was SO FOCUSED on yelling at me for a play that was IN THE PAST, he did not realize that he had 10 men on defense. Play after play after play, myself and the Head Linesman were counting the defense, and signaling to each other that we were counting "ten", and I just let the guy yell at me.
If he would have accepted the penalty, and MOVED ON, maybe he would have realized that he was leaving himself (AND HIS TEAM) short-handed, and addressed the issue. As it was, the other team scored a touchdown.
The problem with officiating, and basketball in general, is that it has a subjective rule book. It really is the only sport I can think of where the rules are so differently interpreted from person to person despite it being in black and white in the rule book.
- The 5 second rule is never called.
- Traveling isnt traveling in the NBA. Hell, in high school I can remember after I complained to a ref about the other player traveling he told me "it was ok, the player only took 2 1/2 steps"...HAHAHA. How do you take a half step? 2.1 steps is traveling but good luck getting some refs to understand that.
- The hand is part of the ball but rarely to people know that.
- Over the back is the easiest call to see yet it is often the most over looked at all levels.
- Taking a charge does not require you to have your feet set, it only requires you to have "established position", of being between the ball and the basket... but again, most people dont know that. "Blocking" should be called when a defender is late in his lateral movement and physically impedes the offensive players progress. But if Im a defender and Im backpedalling it does not give the offensive player the right to still go straight thru me to the hoop. I have position. If I am moving backwards and I get bulled over, it is a charge or at the very least, a no-call.
- Chinning the ball is taught as the proper thing to do after a rebound, but these days, it will get you hit with a foul for throwing an elbow if you try and clear space (movement from the hips is the legal way to clear space, if the movement is from the shoulder joint then that is indeed throwing an elbow and deserved of a foul)
- Face guarding is an automatic technical foul but when was the last time you saw that enforced?
- It impossible to foul a shooter if your feet are set and your arms are straight up in the air, yet you will see fouls called often despite the defender doing exactly how they were fundamentally taught.
- No ref should ever call a foul on the defender if he is guarding a player shooting a fade-away jump shot. By not going straight up or towards the basket, the offensive player is relinquishing his "position".
- Furthermore, if the defender jumps AFTER the offensive player has already left their feet, the defender can legally jump straight up and regardless of any contact, should not be called for a foul.
I can go on and on for days about just how poorly the game is ref'd at most levels. These are all examples of plays that regularly get called wrong by refs due to mis-interpretation of the rules. My best friend growing up ended up being a college scout and assistant coach. When we'd watch games together live he'd always say the same thing you just did to me. He'd say that I need to ref a game. My response was always, that I understand a "missed call", that is human error and bound to happen. I have no issue what-so-ever with a "missed call". What I dont understand is not knowing the way the game is supposed to be played. There is no such thing as missing an over the back call. Its the easiest thing to see. The play isnt moving too fast. The rule is pretty simple.
The very fact that the NBA has two sets of rules, one for regular season and one for the playoffs, for how they officiate is ridiculous.
As for your personal experiences....
In Boise Idaho, I wouldnt expect high school games to be under that much outside influence. But Ive seen first hand how games can be manipulated at the AAU and inner city high school level due to outside pressure from sponsors, street gamblers, etc. Everything at the pro level is worth so much more money, we would be stupid to not think that with the stakes that high, the refs are under EXTREME pressures from the NBA office via the television networks. That doesnt even take into account the gambling world. Hundreds of millions at stake. They arent going to leave that up to chance.
All sports where money is involved are manipulated to varying degrees. If they cannot be manipulated, they dont get the major TV coverage. The networks have to be able to hedge their bets so to speak. The NBA is just the worst at hiding it. But they are far from the only ones doing it.
About the only sport I trust at the moment is UFC. And that is because I trust Dana White. But even Pride back in the day, a LOT of those fights were rigged.
This is the dirty side of sports that nobody wants to hear. It was crushing for me in high school to hear the stories my coach would tell me that he experienced. And as Ive gotten older and seen behind the scenes of a variety of professional sports, all the stuff he warned me of was unfortunately confirmed.
As for the "underhanded" stuff that you are talking about, I REALLY hope that it is not as much of an issue as you state. If so, why even spend taxpayer money on it?
In the heat of the moment as a player yourself, how long does it take you to know when you or one of your teammates was fouled? You know it instantly. So should the referee that is standing mere feet away.
With basketball, their are special cues a ref is supposed to look at to help him determine the call to make. It simplifies things for the ref and allows for split second decisions with the whistle. For instance:
A defender is guarding a player with the ball. The defender takes a swipe at the ball to make the steal. In the heat of the moment, only those two players really know if their was any illegal contact made by the defender.
As a referee, you are supposed to follow a simple rule. If the defender swipes in a upward motion, do not call the foul. If he swats down, call the foul. The reason? When swatting up at a offensive player that is chinning the ball in a 3-point stance, it is VERY difficult to make illegal contact. But when swatting down at the ball, there almost always is forearm to forearm contact.
That is (one of two specific reasons) why coaches teach defenders to always swat up. NEVER swat down at the ball.
That is a example of a very simple solution that makes it easy for a ref to make a instant call that is nearly always the right call in an otherwise very difficult situation. Their are many examples of these throughout the game. They are in place to take the subjective judgement out of the process. But in reality, the refs dont follow these guidelines. I know you football refs have similar cues such as when to call holding calls due to the fact that it is so hard to make the call.
Furthermore, many calls are simply not hard to make in a "split second". Such as face guarding or over the back. Refs are there to uphold the integrity of a game. Not be a part of the game. Leave the human error and bad judgement to the players on the field. Amateur refs are there to help reinforce what the coaches are teaching about the game. The best ref's Ive ever encountered were the guys that actually gave comments during the games to the players, sorta coaching them along. Telling them what they did wrong and what they should have done to not get called. Too often that isnt the case though. Coaches teach the game one way and refs call it another.
Why spend taxpayer money on pro sports? That's easy. When its not your money, people tend to be careless with it. That is one way to look at things. The other is to just assume that the politicians who approve these budgets for new stadiums are simply bribed. Isnt that what "campaign contributions" are anyways? Just a cute term for pay-off.
Think about what makes the most sense if you were a major network or the commissioner of a sport... you, myself, or anyone else would go with the money. And the smart business decision would be to manipulate things for the most profits. That is all the owners of the leagues care about, profits. They dont give a shit about the game. These arent just theories of mine, this is common sense.
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