The skin gun, what say you?

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jndmx 1/12/2012 10:26am
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I say wow.......there are some smart people in the world.
That is amazing.
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Titan1 1/12/2012 10:51am
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That is very cool.
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bullpen58 1/12/2012 8:19pm
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I would love to know more about the religious groups out there that are bound to oppose this kind of thing.
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SteveS 1/12/2012 9:26pm
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I would love to know more about the religious groups out there that are bound to oppose this kind of thing.
Religious groups applaud the use of adult stem cells--particularly autologous cells such as this process employs. There is no moral dilemma to it.

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bullpen58 1/12/2012 9:35pm
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bullpen58 wrote:
I would love to know more about the religious groups out there that are bound to oppose this kind of thing.
SteveS wrote:
Religious groups applaud the use of adult stem cells--particularly autologous cells such as this process employs. There is no moral dilemma to it.
REALLY? If you're right, that's cool. I'm shocked. The religious people always seem to protest the best things.
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SteveS 1/12/2012 9:41pm
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bullpen58 wrote:
I would love to know more about the religious groups out there that are bound to oppose this kind of thing.
SteveS wrote:
Religious groups applaud the use of adult stem cells--particularly autologous cells such as this process employs. There is no moral dilemma to it.
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REALLY? If you're right, that's cool. I'm shocked. The religious people always seem to protest the best things.
The moral issue with stem cells is with embryonic stem cells, which are tied together with abortion (you have to kill an embryo to get the stem cells). In fact, there has not yet been a successful treatment protocol using embryonic stem cells despite all the hue and cry over it, and despite all the research that's being done with them.

There is no moral dilemma in harvesting some cells from a person, sometimes culturing them and inducing them, and then administering them back to the subject because nobody is killed in the process. If you read up on this guy's skin gun process, they harvest the cells from the same person who will receive them.

The stance of the churches which oppose embryonic stem cell research is that funding should go to adult stem cell research and therapy and embryonic stem cell research should not be funded by the government.
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pitbike502 1/12/2012 10:02pm
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i am literally in awe. how awesome, fantastic, and accomplished. i feel like we should be watching this 30 days down the rd and it disappears (like cloudy / meatballs...)

this fella is a life changer. a definite super man.
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bullpen58 1/13/2012 5:11pm
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SteveS wrote:
The moral issue with stem cells is with embryonic stem cells, which are tied together with abortion (you have to kill an embryo to get the...
The moral issue with stem cells is with embryonic stem cells, which are tied together with abortion (you have to kill an embryo to get the stem cells). In fact, there has not yet been a successful treatment protocol using embryonic stem cells despite all the hue and cry over it, and despite all the research that's being done with them.

There is no moral dilemma in harvesting some cells from a person, sometimes culturing them and inducing them, and then administering them back to the subject because nobody is killed in the process. If you read up on this guy's skin gun process, they harvest the cells from the same person who will receive them.

The stance of the churches which oppose embryonic stem cell research is that funding should go to adult stem cell research and therapy and embryonic stem cell research should not be funded by the government.
Ahhhh, I see. Thanks for summarizing that all. I comprehend what is happening now.

However, I still support embryonic stem cell research. I'm not saying we should encourage abortions to get them but I do believe in the woman's right to choose and I believe in researching how to cure things like SCI.

That said, that skin gun is pretty dang cool.
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SteveS 1/13/2012 8:24pm
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SteveS wrote:
The moral issue with stem cells is with embryonic stem cells, which are tied together with abortion (you have to kill an embryo to get the...
The moral issue with stem cells is with embryonic stem cells, which are tied together with abortion (you have to kill an embryo to get the stem cells). In fact, there has not yet been a successful treatment protocol using embryonic stem cells despite all the hue and cry over it, and despite all the research that's being done with them.

There is no moral dilemma in harvesting some cells from a person, sometimes culturing them and inducing them, and then administering them back to the subject because nobody is killed in the process. If you read up on this guy's skin gun process, they harvest the cells from the same person who will receive them.

The stance of the churches which oppose embryonic stem cell research is that funding should go to adult stem cell research and therapy and embryonic stem cell research should not be funded by the government.
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Ahhhh, I see. Thanks for summarizing that all. I comprehend what is happening now. However, I still support embryonic stem cell research. I'm not saying we...
Ahhhh, I see. Thanks for summarizing that all. I comprehend what is happening now.

However, I still support embryonic stem cell research. I'm not saying we should encourage abortions to get them but I do believe in the woman's right to choose and I believe in researching how to cure things like SCI.

That said, that skin gun is pretty dang cool.
The fact is, there are many more real treatments using adult stem cells than the zero successful experiments with embryonic stem cells. But for spinal cord injury, it's going to take something more than injecting a bunch of stem cells. And dealing with foreign cells removed from their normal host control is always going to be a problem.

The skin gun seems pretty impressive, but it's not as versatile as one might wish it would be. The cells still need a working dermis to work, so full thickness third degree burns do not benefit by the use of the spraying of the skin cells. It works with second degree burns and seems to leave a better cosmetic result than the previously existing methods of delivering stem cells and/or matrix. Speaking of which, that's another thing which is being researched for growing stuff back--extracellular matrix.

Stuff like this needs careful testing and research, and then it takes some time for it to work its way through teaching hospitals and tertiary centers before it becomes widely used--if it proves to be safe and effective.
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1/14/2012 12:51am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2012 3:06pm
SteveS wrote:
Religious groups applaud the use of adult stem cells--particularly autologous cells such as this process employs. There is no moral dilemma to it.
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SEEMEFIRST 1/14/2012 1:45am
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bullpen58 wrote:
Ahhhh, I see. Thanks for summarizing that all. I comprehend what is happening now. However, I still support embryonic stem cell research. I'm not saying we...
Ahhhh, I see. Thanks for summarizing that all. I comprehend what is happening now.

However, I still support embryonic stem cell research. I'm not saying we should encourage abortions to get them but I do believe in the woman's right to choose and I believe in researching how to cure things like SCI.

That said, that skin gun is pretty dang cool.
What? Pick a side, rogney.
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J.F.S 1/14/2012 5:33am
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J.F.S wrote:
http://www.realnews24.com/the-skin-gun/
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
After watching that again, I'm more apt to call BS on that.
Not buying it.
Yeah, almost too good to be true. I checked snopes.com, they linked to an article, saying that there has been a TV-program about it on National Geographic, seems kind of legit?

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/934581--skin-gun-that-sprays-…
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jtomasik 1/14/2012 7:47am
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A little bit of web searching and you'll find multiple articles and a lot of information on this new technology. Do too much web searching, and you'll find your results turning up pornography...lol.

These types of technologies take time getting through development, testing, design for manufacturing, and especially regulatory. I worked on the front end of a development project for a modular heart valve (ValveXchange), which was around the time the skin gun got its start. The company I helped is still getting that product through its development to full-release cycle. It'll probably be a couple years before that company's technology is in the market. And, that takes continual investment and searches for investors.

The skin gun is an awesome idea, even thought its usefulness is limited to 2nd degree burn patients. But, ya' gotta start somewhere, and products/technologies take years to evolve. Heck, the internal combustion engine was invented about 150 years ago, if my memory is correct, and it's still changing and improving. I hope the skin gun gets the right people (and money) behind it and becomes a part of mainstream medical technologies.
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SEEMEFIRST 1/15/2012 6:33pm
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J.F.S wrote:
http://www.realnews24.com/the-skin-gun/
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
After watching that again, I'm more apt to call BS on that.
Not buying it.
J.F.S wrote:
Yeah, almost too good to be true. I checked snopes.com, they linked to an article, saying that there has been a TV-program about it on National...
Yeah, almost too good to be true. I checked snopes.com, they linked to an article, saying that there has been a TV-program about it on National Geographic, seems kind of legit?

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/934581--skin-gun-that-sprays-…
I hope it's real. I'd like to see the "before " pics of the man. Bad sun burn can be second degree with no visible scaring. Just skeptical.
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stackman17 1/15/2012 6:52pm
1/15/2012 6:52pm
What is your deal SMF? What are some kind of checkered flagger from the past. Why such a pessimist? Put the beer down and pay attention. JK
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BUTCH 1/16/2012 8:05pm
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WOW!Shocked
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SEEMEFIRST 1/18/2012 2:49am
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stackman17 wrote:
What is your deal SMF? What are some kind of checkered flagger from the past. Why such a pessimist? Put the beer down and pay attention...
What is your deal SMF? What are some kind of checkered flagger from the past. Why such a pessimist? Put the beer down and pay attention. JK
Oh shit, Mac. What was I thinking? Thanks for slapping me to.Laughing

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